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Aerospace industry tells Obama to cool it on bashing corporate jets
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Posted on 06/30/2011 8:27:31 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Aerospace industry tells Obama to cool it on bashing corporate jets By Keith Laing - 06/30/11 10:16 AM ET

President Obama went over the top in his criticism of tax breaks for corporate jet owners, a lobbying group said Thursday.

"We're disturbed by President Obama's remarks on business aviation," Aerospace Industries Association President Marion Blakey said in a statement.

"General aviation plays an important role in our economy and took a substantial hit in the recent recession," she continued. "We feel that disparaging comments from the president regarding business jet users are not conducive to promoting jobs, investment and economic growth."

Blakey said private planes play a big role in the American economy. She added that Obama himself recently visited a plant that produces business jets.

"It seems odd that he would undermine the aviation industry one day after visiting Alcoa's factory and praising the workers who make parts and materials that are critical to producing business jets."

During the opening remarks of his press conference Wednesday, which was focused on the negotiations to raise the debt ceiling, Obama cited the tax breaks for corporate jet owners as an example of the kind of tax measure Republicans were protecting. "The tax cuts I’m proposing we get rid of are tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires; tax breaks for oil companies and hedge fund managers and corporate jet owners," Obama said.

"It would be nice if we could keep every tax break there is, but we’ve got to make some tough choices here if we want to reduce our deficit.

"And if we choose to keep those tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, if we choose to keep a tax break for corporate jet owners, if we choose to keep tax breaks for oil and gas companies that are making hundreds of billions of dollars, then that means we’ve got to cut some kids off from getting a college scholarship," he continued. "That means we’ve got to stop funding certain grants for medical research. That means that food safety may be compromised. That means that Medicare has to bear a greater part of the burden. Those are the choices we have to make."

Obama mentioned corporate jets six times in his remarks.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aerospace; bashing; corporate; industry; jets; obama

1 posted on 06/30/2011 8:27:34 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

IMHO, Barry really screwed the pooch with this stupid off the cuff remark yesterday. He’s a real moron.


2 posted on 06/30/2011 8:31:57 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: Sub-Driver

They should have told Barack to “Cool his jets”. He takes three, count ‘em three, jets when he travels. He is the living icon of hypocrite.


3 posted on 06/30/2011 8:31:57 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: Sub-Driver

As stated on MSNBC Obama is a dick.


4 posted on 06/30/2011 8:32:23 AM PDT by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama must think that everyone who builds planes & works at their factories is a multi millionaire...Reminds me of the luxury tax 2 decades ago that did nothing but screw over blue collar boat builders.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 8:32:36 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Sub-Driver
"It seems odd that he would undermine the aviation industry one day after visiting Alcoa's factory and praising the workers who make parts and materials that are critical to producing business jets."

He even mentioned that visit in his ramblings yesterday, citing it as an example of how capital investment led to growth of the business.

6 posted on 06/30/2011 8:33:22 AM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: Sub-Driver

Expecting a community organizer, “educated” as a lawyer, to understand the basics of economics or how manufacturing is a key engine for an economy seems to be misplaced optimism. Both species are leeches on the productive part of any economy.


7 posted on 06/30/2011 8:34:05 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Sub-Driver

President Obama, could you explain amortization in regards to a Sinking Fund to retire public debt? I’m running for City Council and we are considering bonding for Capital Improvement Projects. But you’re the President and must be much smarter than I. I know, I know. You don’t have to answer that question.....


8 posted on 06/30/2011 8:34:52 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: T-Bird45

I wondered when one of his chief supporters Buffett, who owns a jet business, was going to call him.


9 posted on 06/30/2011 8:35:55 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Sub-Driver
I can tell you this, after 20 years of corporate flying and 10 years as chief pilot. It never looks good on the books, until you place the expenditures opposite, the deals that were made and then suddenly that aircraft becomes an asset.

Once again obama talks out of his hind end, the man is an idiot.

10 posted on 06/30/2011 8:39:13 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Sub-Driver

At least corporate jets aren’t being supported with tax money-like Air Force One and Air Force Two. On abusing costly perks, Dear Leader and Michelle live in a glass house.


11 posted on 06/30/2011 8:39:57 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Sub-Driver

As I understand it, his proposal is to stretch out the depreciation schedule from 5 to 7 years. I wonder if someone explained to the moron the amount deducted is the same, just less per year over the new 7 year term. So, the net total affect on revenues over those years is NADA.

I know this maybe a tad steep for the Sultan on the Potomac to comprehend but try to explain it to him in simple terms: this is beyond your comprehension, move on to another subject you are more comfortable with like being an a hole.


12 posted on 06/30/2011 8:42:47 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Sub-Driver

“We’re disturbed by President Obama’s remarks on business aviation,” Aerospace Industries Association President Marion Blakey said in a statement.

join the club. I’m disturbed by Obama’s remarks on pretty much everything.


13 posted on 06/30/2011 8:43:50 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: FlingWingFlyer
He doesn't know s^%$ from Shinola and it shows every time he tries to wise off about President’n ‘stuff’
14 posted on 06/30/2011 8:46:00 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Educate men without religion and you make of them but clever devils. " Arthur Wellesley)
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To: Sub-Driver

In my opinion this Usurper is an evil POS...make him walk...or maybe one of his Arabian buddies can supply him with a piece of carpet...or Hilary one of her spare brooms...

And ground Michelle...let her walk her fat @$$ off...


15 posted on 06/30/2011 8:46:08 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Sub-Driver

I work around (will not say “with”) an electrical engineer who is a major Kool-Aid drinker. Spouts stuff like no one should be allowed to own a car costing over 25K, or live in a house over 2000 square feet. Jumped for joy when Obama got elected, did the same when the economy tanked, and cursed anyone who he considered rich. Called anyone from Texas a retard. This dude is a white Minnestoopidan Norwegian/Swede in his sixties, and wants Barry Dunham/Wesley Mouch to do even more to wreck the economy to get back at the “evil rich people” (anyone who does better than him).


16 posted on 06/30/2011 8:46:08 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Aerospace industry should expect nothing less from this Economic Stink Bug!


17 posted on 06/30/2011 8:46:35 AM PDT by proudpapa (Palin-West - 2012)
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To: Sub-Driver

I did not see the comment as broadcast, but it reads like Wesley Mouch has been speaking without the the teleprompter again and saying what he really thinks. He speaks as a Marxist bastard.


18 posted on 06/30/2011 8:49:24 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Sub-Driver
He was, and still is, nothing but a Community Agitator.
He does not know how to do anything else.

19 posted on 06/30/2011 8:53:31 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Sub-Driver

Jimmy Carter single-handedly killed off the boatbuilding industry in this country when he started badmouthing those “rich” people and their “yachts”, and added a special “luxury tax” on the price of a boat. Many makers of good boats were driven out of business.

Barry seems to be just one “malaise speech” away from becoming Carter II.


20 posted on 06/30/2011 9:02:46 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Sub-Driver

He is handing the GOP so much ammo to run in ads. But, I’ll bet they don’t do it. Like McCain they’ll say “Let’s keep this civil”.


21 posted on 06/30/2011 9:05:31 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Sub-Driver

So, in other words, you better not get caught flying your corporate jet to Las Vegas. That would almost be a capital crime.


22 posted on 06/30/2011 9:18:02 AM PDT by radioone (How Can an Obscure Guy Who Did Diddly Squat in the Senate Become President?)
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To: Ramius; Sub-Driver; BookmanTheJanitor
Jimmy Carter single-handedly killed off the boatbuilding industry in this country when he started badmouthing those “rich” people and their “yachts”, and added a special “luxury tax” on the price of a boat. Many makers of good boats were driven out of business.

No, that was former senate majority leader George Mitchell back in the early 90's. The really stupid part was that the boat building industry is a major employer in Michell's state of Maine. I wonder if this was one of the reasons he decided to retire early and not even serve the last two years of his last term?

23 posted on 06/30/2011 9:28:29 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Terry Mross
He is handing the GOP so much ammo to run in ads. But, I’ll bet they don’t do it. Like McCain they’ll say “Let’s keep this civil”.

It's the MO of these 2 corrupt parties. This probably won't change.

24 posted on 06/30/2011 9:30:00 AM PDT by Digger (T)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

This guy is so entrenched in his class warfare ideology that when he is not tightly scripted, it leaks out.


25 posted on 06/30/2011 9:33:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Digger

I just read this elsewhere.

The left understands that decent people will avoid conflict.
So, they’ll just escalate the conflict until their opponents get uncomfortable and back down.

I have experience with people on an individual level that use this same technique. Alcoholics and drug addicts often display this type of behavior.


26 posted on 06/30/2011 9:36:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Sub-Driver

He thinks in terms of full-blown communism where all businesses are state-owned and there is only one union - the communist party. Cuz if he was in the real world he would realize that every time he bashes any industry he’s also hurting American jobs. And here and there some of those jobs are union. Think about it, anything economically bad hurts the union employee, the non-union employee, the business owner - everyone. Normal people understand this, but a full-blow communist dreamer does not. It’s racism, straight up (that has nothing to do with this post, I just love echoing it since it sounds so dumb).


27 posted on 06/30/2011 9:37:31 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Trying to rebuild America on pure conservative principles)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
IMHO, Barry really screwed the pooch with this stupid off the cuff remark yesterday. He’s a real moron.

It was no worse than his ATM comment. Maybe he wants important people like himself to be pulled around in rickshaws by the lowly masses.

28 posted on 06/30/2011 9:42:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes,Yes one look at his ancestors in Kenya and the Aerospace industries there ,That they created,and YET this Pathetic Buffoon lecturing US ,go away you Nobody.


29 posted on 06/30/2011 9:48:51 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Cheetahcat

And this is why Obama does this. It is because he can. As long as the MSM covers for him, he could say he sodomizes poodles and the press would call him courageous for his devotion to animal rights.


30 posted on 06/30/2011 10:10:38 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberals who graduate from Ivy League schools are the dumbest people on the planet.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Obama's finally losing it.

I think McConnell collared him in the Oval Office Monday. Obama was shown up for the juvenile, knee-jerk demogogue that he is when he likely had NO logical answers for the Senate Minority Leader.

Obama's blustering yesterday was just to get everyone to see "that he still had it" but everyone's starting to see the real jabbering boob underneath all that politically correct skin.

31 posted on 06/30/2011 10:41:22 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“And this is why Obama does this. It is because he can. As long as the MSM covers for him, he could say he sodomizes poodles and the press would call him courageous for his devotion to animal rights.”

This backward Turd has pulled the whole country down and no one calls him on it! Not even in the house!


32 posted on 06/30/2011 10:47:20 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Sub-Driver

baraq again bashed another American industry.
It is just a high end industry.

And all the while, he rides around on a hell of a corporate 747 that we pay for.

Maybe someone in the aircraft industry or Boeing ought to remind him of that.


33 posted on 06/30/2011 12:03:24 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Sub-Driver; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

Corporate Jets Face Flight Fee in Obama Plan
By Alan Levin - Sep 19, 2011

President Barack Obama’s administration proposed a $100 per-flight fee on corporate jets and other turbine-powered planes that use the U.S. air-traffic system.

The fee would raise an estimated $11 billion over 10 years, according to the president’s recommendations to the 12-member congressional committee charged with finding ways to trim the deficit. The fee is aimed at private aircraft, which currently don’t pay their fair share of costs of operating the aviation system, the administration said today.

About two-thirds of the air-traffic system is paid for by aviation excise taxes, including levies on airline tickets and on fuel. Last year these taxes raised $10.8 billion, according to the Department of Transportation.

There is a disparity between what airlines and their passengers pay into the system and what users of private aircraft pay, the plan said.

An airline flight from Los Angeles to San Francisco would generate $1,300 to $2,000 in taxes, depending on the number of passengers and what they paid for tickets. A private jet, which requires almost the same services from air-traffic controllers, would pay about $60 in fuel taxes, the plan said.

“General aviation users currently pay a fuel tax, but this revenue does not cover their fair-share use of air traffic services,” the plan said.
Opposition Mounts

A coalition of nine U.S. associations representing users and manufacturers of corporate and private aircraft issued a joint statement “expressing our unified opposition” to the proposal.

“Mr. President, many foreign countries have imposed per flight charges on general aviation and the results have been devastating,” the e-mail statement said. “Please do not go down the dangerous path and cost jobs in our community.”

General-aviation pilots pay their fair share of fuel taxes and a new fee would create “a costly new federal collection bureaucracy,” the groups said.

The groups that issued the letter include the Washington- based General Aviation Manufacturers Association, whose members include General Dynamics Corp. (GD)’s Gulfstream and Textron Inc. (TXT)’s Cessna; the Washington-based National Business Aviation Association, with members including PepsiCo Inc. and Humana Inc. (HUM), the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, based in Frederick, Maryland, which has more than 400,000 individual members; and the Experimental Aircraft Association in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

NetJets Reacts

Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A)’s NetJets, the largest U.S. firm selling fractional shares of corporate jets, issued a statement from Chairman and Chief Executive Jordan Hansell agreeing with the trade groups. NetJets, based in Columbus, Ohio, has more than 7,000 customers worldwide.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-09-19/corporate-jets-face-100-per-flight-fee-in-obama-deficit-plan.html


34 posted on 09/20/2011 7:55:45 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Sub-Driver; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

Corporate Jets Face Flight Fee in Obama Plan
By Alan Levin - Sep 19, 2011

President Barack Obama’s administration proposed a $100 per-flight fee on corporate jets and other turbine-powered planes that use the U.S. air-traffic system.

The fee would raise an estimated $11 billion over 10 years, according to the president’s recommendations to the 12-member congressional committee charged with finding ways to trim the deficit. The fee is aimed at private aircraft, which currently don’t pay their fair share of costs of operating the aviation system, the administration said today.

About two-thirds of the air-traffic system is paid for by aviation excise taxes, including levies on airline tickets and on fuel. Last year these taxes raised $10.8 billion, according to the Department of Transportation.

There is a disparity between what airlines and their passengers pay into the system and what users of private aircraft pay, the plan said.

An airline flight from Los Angeles to San Francisco would generate $1,300 to $2,000 in taxes, depending on the number of passengers and what they paid for tickets. A private jet, which requires almost the same services from air-traffic controllers, would pay about $60 in fuel taxes, the plan said.

“General aviation users currently pay a fuel tax, but this revenue does not cover their fair-share use of air traffic services,” the plan said.
Opposition Mounts

A coalition of nine U.S. associations representing users and manufacturers of corporate and private aircraft issued a joint statement “expressing our unified opposition” to the proposal.

“Mr. President, many foreign countries have imposed per flight charges on general aviation and the results have been devastating,” the e-mail statement said. “Please do not go down the dangerous path and cost jobs in our community.”

General-aviation pilots pay their fair share of fuel taxes and a new fee would create “a costly new federal collection bureaucracy,” the groups said.

The groups that issued the letter include the Washington- based General Aviation Manufacturers Association, whose members include General Dynamics Corp. (GD)’s Gulfstream and Textron Inc. (TXT)’s Cessna; the Washington-based National Business Aviation Association, with members including PepsiCo Inc. and Humana Inc. (HUM), the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, based in Frederick, Maryland, which has more than 400,000 individual members; and the Experimental Aircraft Association in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

NetJets Reacts

Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A)’s NetJets, the largest U.S. firm selling fractional shares of corporate jets, issued a statement from Chairman and Chief Executive Jordan Hansell agreeing with the trade groups. NetJets, based in Columbus, Ohio, has more than 7,000 customers worldwide.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-09-19/corporate-jets-face-100-per-flight-fee-in-obama-deficit-plan.html


35 posted on 09/20/2011 7:57:30 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

As a member of AOPA and EAA I object. So will all those folks providing air ambulances services, mercy flights, angel flights, etc etc. It could drive the air traffic control system nuts by avoiding use, at least for a short time, the unfortunate problem is controlled air space, and the necessity for high altitude flight for fuel efficiency in a jet. Most of which is avoided by general aviation, but then what does Oba ma know about general aviation?


36 posted on 09/21/2011 2:37:39 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita
EAA'er on this end Wita...

The alphabet soup organizations banded together @ OSH to work in concert to fight Fedzilla's encrochment on Gen-AV. Not trying to bang on them but it maybe to little to late that they didn't see the threat this Marxist would be. The million dollar question is what is a commerical flight? A student working on his "commerical" ticket? An advanced student doing heavy IFR, Twin or even working his or her ATP in controlled airspace?

I know of one potential Presidental Candidate who's hubby has a Super Cub on Floats :-).

Can you say natural market for said potential candidate?

Should I secure the domain www.pilotsforpalin.com ? :-).....

37 posted on 09/21/2011 3:05:51 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“IMHO, Barry really screwed the pooch”

By now I’d have thought that dog would be biting him anytime he opens his mouth...


38 posted on 09/21/2011 3:09:55 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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To: taildragger

I’m guessing that, based on the first attack from the prez, the one on corporate jets and Las Vegas visits back in 08 should have provided the evidence to those with their hands on the industry.

Unfortunately like most liberals, the prez has that unique ability to bounce, ball like, from one subject to the next thus concealing the final solution. If you remember, and I know you do, health care immediately overrode the airplane and Las Vegas issues, but only after a complete and thorough whipping by congress the media and the chief whipper.

Speaking of castigation, I enjoyed as a lurker the interaction a couple of days ago on the Reno thread with the cast of one, calling pilots a lot of interesting names. I won’t mention the name so I don’t have to ping the one in question. If I’m not mistaken you were on that one.


39 posted on 09/21/2011 6:22:25 AM PDT by wita
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To: Sub-Driver

Refuse to provide replacement parts...


40 posted on 09/21/2011 6:38:23 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama really has 0 foresight. How is he and Michelle going to get to all their fund raisers when out of office?


41 posted on 09/21/2011 6:40:45 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

Michelle Obama takes separate government jet to get a few hours of extra vacation time ....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027541/Michelle-Obama-takes-separate-government-jet-hours-extra-vacation-time-Marthas-Vineyard-President-arrives-uses-TWO-helicopters-Air-Force-One-500-mile-journey.html ^ | 8-19-11

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766133/posts


42 posted on 09/21/2011 7:09:18 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: BipolarBob

It’s tempting to change his name to B Hypocrite Zero but the Muslim deceit must be acknowledged. Doesn’t make sense I know but neither does he.


43 posted on 09/21/2011 1:48:37 PM PDT by mcshot (The union label was once considered desirable but will now be avoided.)
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