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Was John Lennon a secret Reagan Republican?
Telegraph ^ | June 30th, 2011 | James Delingpole

Posted on 06/30/2011 9:02:51 AM PDT by nuconvert

You know what? I think the answer’s probably no. But why let that get in the way of the delicious schadenfreude I’m feeling right now over the recent claims by his former personal assistant Fred Seaman – and the apparent discomfort it is causing lefties.

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Over at the leftie Nation, historian Jon Wiener is having a massive sense of humour failure at this outrageous slur on a man probably second only to Che as an icon of international left-wing street credibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: beatles; delingpole; johnlennon; lennon; reagan
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1 posted on 06/30/2011 9:02:54 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

>>You know what? I think the answer’s probably no<<

Okay, so this guy, who probably never met Lennon, is more credible than the man who spent a lot of time with him at the end of his life.

All the anecdotes are flat-out lies or exaggerations.

Got it.

I like this author, but it’s a little arrogant to declare what he declared.


2 posted on 06/30/2011 9:05:48 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: nuconvert

Maybe a Reagan Democrat.


3 posted on 06/30/2011 9:14:01 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: nuconvert

This is a lefty journalist whose head would explode if he were to believe the truth so he’s content to live in make-believe land. Lennon was a wealthy man and knew if he wanted to keep what he rightfully earned that the GOP had his best interest in mind.


4 posted on 06/30/2011 9:14:49 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: nuconvert

I heard this being discussed and some unknown said that John Lennon liked to pull peoples legs. This could have been his own little joke.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 9:16:01 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: nuconvert

Lennon being a Reagan supporter makes sense. Lot’s of boomers changed there views on life and the world as the 70’s ended. A lot had kids, like Lennon, and time to review what their radical views actually accomplished. This story on Lennon liking Reagan is true. We have someone on the scene back in the day give specifics with his anecdotes. What does the writer use to support his argument? Nothing.


6 posted on 06/30/2011 9:17:42 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: nuconvert

I read a few months back that John Lennon had accepted Christ as Savior as well.


7 posted on 06/30/2011 9:18:37 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman
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To: nuconvert

Now that will make lefties head explode!


8 posted on 06/30/2011 9:20:48 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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9 posted on 06/30/2011 9:21:31 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: nuconvert
Was John Lennon a secret Reagan Republican?

One has to consider the difference between what a man says and sings and what he actually does.

"Imagine no possessions. I wonder if you can."

Well, actually, John, I can imagine, without even trying, that I will never, ever, own several apartments in The Dakota, right across the street from Central Park, like you did and Yoko Ono still does.

But, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one night. :-)

10 posted on 06/30/2011 9:26:42 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: nuconvert

Considering that Lennon died before Reagan became president I doubt if he found much of interest in RR in those days.


11 posted on 06/30/2011 9:37:15 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Harley

It’s actually hard to ever really know. He did also say at one time though that he preferred the Tories to the Labours because they “let me keep my money.”

So who knows? It almost seems it would have been a natural evolution for a guy like him...in the 60s he was suspicious of “The Man” who, at the time, was regarded as a war mongering capitalist pig. However, by the late 70s it was clear that “the Man” was really the entrenched leftism that had overtaken the US government.


12 posted on 06/30/2011 9:40:28 AM PDT by RockinRight (Nobama 2012.)
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To: GSWarrior

The article states lennon met reagan while he was govenor of ca


13 posted on 06/30/2011 9:40:53 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: GSWarrior

Lennon was killed after the election but before the inauguration. I think Reagan was quite topical the 6 months or so before Lennon died and would have been a subject for conversation. I have no problem believing Lennon may have favored Reagan over the inept Carter


14 posted on 06/30/2011 9:46:09 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: edzo4
I knew that!

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15 posted on 06/30/2011 9:47:56 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Outlaw Woman

Gotta link or reference? That would be a jaw-dropping revelation.


16 posted on 06/30/2011 9:51:02 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: nuconvert

The truth hurts especially liberals. They just keep inventing their own realities to stay in their own little global fantasy world.


17 posted on 06/30/2011 9:55:08 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

You probably already know this, but Lennon wasn’t a boomer, and boomers had already helped reelect Nixon in 1972 with the majority of their vote.


18 posted on 06/30/2011 10:22:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: GSWarrior

Here is what his assistant was saying.

John Lennon was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals, according to his former assistant.
John Lennon was a closet Republican, who felt a little embarrassed by his former radicalism, at the time of his death - according to the tragic Beatles star’s last personal assistant.

Fred Seaman worked alongside the music legend from 1979 to Lennon’s death at the end of 1980 and he reveals the star was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals who reminded him of his former self.

In new documentary Beatles Stories, Seaman tells filmmaker Seth Swirsky Lennon wasn’t the peace-loving militant fans thought he was while he was his assistant.

He says, “John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.

“He’d met Reagan back, I think, in the 70s at some sporting event... Reagan was the guy who had ordered the National Guard, I believe, to go after the young (peace) demonstrators in Berkeley, so I think that John maybe forgot about that... He did express support for Reagan, which shocked me.

“I also saw John embark in some really brutal arguments with my uncle, who’s an old-time communist... He enjoyed really provoking my uncle... Maybe he was being provocative... but it was pretty obvious to me he had moved away from his earlier radicalism.

“He was a very different person back in 1979 and 80 than he’d been when he wrote Imagine. By 1979 he looked back on that guy and was embarrassed by that guy’s naivete.”


19 posted on 06/30/2011 10:26:03 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12
I am under the impression that Lennon was not so much interested in politics but in current events in general.

If I am not mistaken, many people wanted Lennon and the Beatles to become more politically-charged, but Lennon was still in his LSD-years and was more into eastern spiritualism than politics.

20 posted on 06/30/2011 10:32:25 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: ansel12

Most of the Boomers I know didn’t have a moment of clarity until Carter. I was unaware of them voting overwhelmingly for Nixon in ‘72.


21 posted on 06/30/2011 10:47:35 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Here are some numbers for you.

Nixon won 52% of the 18 to 29 year old vote in 1972.

In 1968 the Democrats won 47% of the (21) to 29 year old vote, in 1972, they won 46% of the 18 to 29 age group, in 1976, after Watergate, and with the weak, moderate (and under suspicion) Ford, against what appeared to be a social conservative Democrat with a strong military back ground, the Democrats picked up 51% of the 18 to 29 year old vote.

In 1980 Democrats got 44% of that age group, 1984-40%, 1988-47%.

It wasn’t until 1992 that the age group became a solid Democrat voter group, George W. did get 46% and 45% though.

The 66% that Obama won, is unprecedented and doesn’t bode well for the future.


22 posted on 06/30/2011 10:56:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: GSWarrior

I guess that Lennon was very interested in social issues, and the very serious issues of hunger, war, and disease at that time, naturally that led to a political journey as he tried to search for cures.

That journey seems to have gone from the first impulse of throwing money at them, to later seeking deeper, root causes, and solutions.

He is very clear about not being an atheist and that he thought man from monkeys evolution was ridiculous, he also mocked overpopulation and knew that we could sustain many more people with more organization and distribution control, which of course, is a mixed bag of left and right.


23 posted on 06/30/2011 11:03:53 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12
The 66% that Obama won, is unprecedented and doesn’t bode well for the future.

'08 was a fluke. I see a lot of grey hair at Tea Party rallies. I don't see anywhere near that level again for him. Even the Jews are walking away.

24 posted on 06/30/2011 11:08:54 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: RockinRight

For a man who was afraid of the “Man”, he ended up donating a lot of cash to the NYPD for vests and equipment. There are more signs that he was not anywhere near the peacenik radical that the left paints him as. The NYPD love the guy back in the day.


25 posted on 06/30/2011 11:12:00 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

That 66% was for the 18-29 year olds of course. In 2012, hopefully the numbers for the young won’t be that bad, but the under 30 vote will still be overwhelmingly Democrat.

The over 45 vote will definitely go Republican again.


26 posted on 06/30/2011 11:15:53 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: nuconvert

NO.... John was as ditzy as Yo-Ko... is..
He was a dope addled liberal and useful idiot....


27 posted on 06/30/2011 11:16:58 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

Gee that was thoughtful and deep, thanks for the information.


28 posted on 06/30/2011 11:19:06 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Lazlo in PA
'08 was a fluke. I see a lot of grey hair at Tea Party rallies. I don't see anywhere near that level again for him.

I'm a little confused, you know that the over 45 year old vote went for McCain/Palin and against Obama, right?

29 posted on 06/30/2011 11:21:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12

I thought we were talking about boomers?


30 posted on 06/30/2011 11:28:34 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: ansel12
I see. You were talking about the youngsters as a group over the years, not the same group of people over the years. Well...never mind.


31 posted on 06/30/2011 11:32:27 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

If you only wanted to track the boomers, then here are those numbers.

The very first boomers (ages 21 and 22) voted in 1968, that year the under 30 vote gave democrats 47%, by 1972 boomers filled most of the 18-29 pool and democrats got 46% of that vote, in 1976 democrats got 51% (the 18-29 were all boomers), and in 1980 they got 44% (again, all boomers), and in 1984 democrats won 40% of the (almost all boomer) 18-29 year old vote, in 1988 it was 47% for democrats (almost half boomers), by 1992 the boomers had left the 18-29 year old demographic except for the single years worth of 29 year olds, that signalled the end of the young being conservative.

In 1992, without the boomers (except for the 29 year olds)the 18-29 year old vote went 34% Republican, in 1996 with zero boomers, they went 34% Republican, 2000 46% Republican, 2004 47% Republican, and in 2008, their worst year ever, 32% Republican.


32 posted on 06/30/2011 11:40:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12; Lazlo in PA

Actually that only tracked the boomers through the 18-29 year old voting, I’ll get around to putting together a tracking of the actual age group through life, but it is kind of difficult.


33 posted on 06/30/2011 11:44:45 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Most of the Boomers I know didn’t have a moment of clarity until Carter. I was unaware of them voting overwhelmingly for Nixon in ‘72.

The boomer age group did go for Nixon in 72 by 6 points over McGovern. And looking at the chart it also appears that with the exception of 1976, the boomer generation has gone for the Republican in every presidential election since.

There are a lot of myths that younger generations have about the boomer generation. Those myths were created by the Hollywood maggots with their fake history about the 60s.

The vast majority of us boomers were hard working family types, not the drug addled hippies Hollywood would have you believe.

34 posted on 06/30/2011 11:46:07 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Rockitz

I’ll do a search later on. It was a posted article on here though.


35 posted on 06/30/2011 12:40:50 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman
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To: ansel12

[ Gee that was thoughtful and deep, thanks for the information. ]

Thanks.... cutting thru Utopian clap trap is .... well its a gift..
like seeing this bull squirt correctly...

Imagine..... there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one - John Lennon..

** He’s no Dylan.. or even Professor Wendel Cory..


36 posted on 06/30/2011 2:39:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

Again, just childish gibberish.


37 posted on 06/30/2011 2:44:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12

Glad you see what I’m taking about..
All beatles songs are childish gibberish..


38 posted on 06/30/2011 3:02:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

Your postings sure are.


39 posted on 06/30/2011 3:22:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: nuconvert

I completely believe this for the simple fact he was a guy who tried different scenes like one would wear a coat then he would dump it and wanted to have nothing to do with it again. He did that with the Maharishi stuff, found out the guy was an idiot then wrote a hate song “Sexy Sadie”. After he made his most liberal album “Sometime in NYC”, he told Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman they were idiots and went off and lived in the Dakota like a true Capitalist pig, and my father who is a retired NYC cop said he use to donate money every year to the cops for Christmas and once made a big donation so they could buy bullet proof vests (ironic enough). I really think this whole liberal image he has is a result of Yoko who to this day promotes it because it’s most profitable.


40 posted on 06/30/2011 4:48:06 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Talk to me Hudson!)
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To: nuconvert

And BTW, who the F cares what the dudes political beliefs were, he was a melodic genius whose coat tails McCartney and Harrison totally rode on. McCartney - Last great album: Band on the Run, an album of Beatle outtakes. When they first got signed, the best McCartney came up with was “Love me do”. Lennon came up with “Please please me” which shot them to #1.. He also wrote “If I fell” “I should have known better” ‘Do you want to know a secret” “Hard days night” “Happy just to dance with you” “Tell me why” “You can’t do that” on and on all by himself and you can hear the demo tapes on Youtube that proves it. His writing is the ONLY reason they got so much attention. If it was left to Paul they would have been seen as another Gerry and the Pacemakers and faded. Quick: When’s the last Beatle quality song Paul wrote? 1972? Lennon wrote songs of that quality all the way to his death. “Beautiful boy” “Watching the wheels” “Grow old with me” “Mind games” songs McCartney couldnt even conceive of.


41 posted on 06/30/2011 5:08:24 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Talk to me Hudson!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I was unaware of them voting overwhelmingly for Nixon in ‘72.

Only a small minority of "Boomers" will have been eligible to vote in 1972. It was my first election; I was 24. Only people born before 1951 will have been eligible to vote for Nixon in 1972, and only Boomers born in 1946 and 1947 will have been old enough to vote for him in 1968.

Most of Nixon's voters were, like Lennon, "War Babies" and "Depression Babies", a.k.a. "the Silent Generation".

42 posted on 06/30/2011 5:12:51 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Only people born before 1951 will have been eligible to vote for Nixon in 1972

I voted in 1972. I was 18 (born in 1954). That was the year they lowered the voting age. (Old enough to be drafted? Old enough to vote.)

(I voted for Nixon)

43 posted on 06/30/2011 5:21:36 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Ditto
The vast majority of us boomers were hard working family types

Clarity bump. There were a few of us conservatives on my campus who formed up a Young Americans for Freedom chapter in the year I left. We had star-spangled eyes and knew what American Exceptionalism was worth. Those leftist pukes could spew their Marxist rage all they wanted, but we had their number all the way. We even infilled an SDS chapter that some puke came down from Chicago to form up and shake out a new SDS chapter on our conservative campus with "radicalization" confrontations with the cops. Didn't happen, wonder why? Losers.

44 posted on 06/30/2011 5:23:07 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Only people born before 1951 will have been eligible to vote for Nixon in 1972,

The 26th amendment was ratified in July 1971. 18 year olds could vote in the 1972 election.

45 posted on 06/30/2011 5:24:36 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: nuconvert

THIS JUST IN:

The late Gerry Marsden of the world famous Gerry & the Pacemakers, was said to become a Pat Paulsen libertarian shortly before passing.

No word yet on the political inclinations of the late Herman of Herman’s Hermits.

We’ll keep you posted.


46 posted on 06/30/2011 5:28:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I voted for John Schmitz. I had read an essay by Ralph Whalen, who'd been a Nixon youth coordinator in 1968 and had written Catch the Falling Flag after he left the Nixon administration in 1970 or so. He was disenchanted with the RiNOs' use of conservative youth (people Barry Goldwater had energized and brought to the GOP).

So I paid Nixon back and voted American Independent Party that year, after Wallace went down. I was disappointed in Schmitz's post-election interview, when the newsies came around basically to gloat, asking him "why do you think you didn't do very well?" after spending all fall ignoring the hell out of him and his campaign -- and he pointed that out to them very waspishly, which I thought could have been done with more class.

But he was livid at their cynicism, and frankly, across the perspective of years, I realize now that I wouldn't even have seen that interview, if they hadn't succeeded in fleaming that hot reply out of him.

(Remember, that was the election when the newsies 'fessed up to having voted 9:1 for McGovern ..... and then they went out and "got" Nixon, to reprove, rebuke, and repudiate the People.)

47 posted on 06/30/2011 5:32:29 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Okay, I thought it was '76 ..... even then the 'Rats were reaching for an edge, hoping the Boomers would come out and sweep Nixon out of the White House.

Jerks. Dick's only real mistake was taking those clowns as seriously as he did.

48 posted on 06/30/2011 5:39:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

hey, he was my favorite Beatle, so no argument from me about his talent & ability.


49 posted on 06/30/2011 5:43:53 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I had forgotten about Schmitz.

I was 18 and my vote was more about voting Republican than voting for Nixon. I'd vote for him again, given the same circumstances, but at least it would be an informed vote.

50 posted on 06/30/2011 5:50:52 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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