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Government sues Apollo 14 astronaut over lunar camera (Edgar Mitchell)
Yahoo ^ | 6/30/11 | Terry Baynes - Reuters

Posted on 06/30/2011 2:41:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. government has sued a former NASA astronaut to recover a camera used to explore the moon's surface during the 1971 Apollo 14 mission after seeing it slated for sale in a New York auction.

The lawsuit, filed in Miami federal court on Wednesday, accuses Edgar Mitchell of illegally possessing the camera and attempting to sell it for profit.

In March, NASA learned that the British auction house Bonhams was planning to sell the camera at an upcoming Space History Sale, according to the suit.

The item was labeled "Movie Camera from the Lunar Surface" and billed as one of two cameras from the Apollo 14's lunar module Antares. The lot description said the item came "directly from the collection" of pilot Edgar Mitchell and had a pre-sale estimate of $60,000 to $80,000, the suit said.

Mitchell was a lunar module pilot on Apollo 14, which launched its nine-day mission in 1971 under the command of Alan Shepard. The sixth person to walk on the moon, Mitchell is now retired and runs a website selling his autographed picture.

He has made headlines in the past for his stated belief in the existence of extraterrestrial life.

"All equipment and property used during NASA operations remains the property of NASA unless explicitly released or transferred to another party," the government suit said, adding NASA had no record of the camera being given to Mitchell.

The suit said the government had made repeated requests to Mitchell and his lawyer to return the camera but received no response.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: apollo; astronaut; camera; government; lunar; nasa; sues
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1 posted on 06/30/2011 2:41:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Talk about stupid public relations. Do they really want to tussle with an elderly astronaut who went to the moon?


2 posted on 06/30/2011 2:43:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: NormsRevenge

He can sell the camera, after he pays the shipping charges from the Cape to the Moon, and back. /s


3 posted on 06/30/2011 2:43:07 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Ann Coulter's "Demonic" - - Identifies the Democrats in Detail)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do they really want to tussle with an elderly astronaut who went to the moon?

Well, obviously....yes.

While Rome burns...

4 posted on 06/30/2011 2:44:29 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, at least Mitchell didn’t LOSE the camera, like NASA seems to do.


5 posted on 06/30/2011 2:44:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Do they really want to tussle with an elderly astronaut who went to the moon?”

The really need the cash... to help fund the Muslim outreach programs.


6 posted on 06/30/2011 2:45:55 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s not one of THEIR people though.


7 posted on 06/30/2011 2:46:05 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: NormsRevenge
“a pre-sale estimate of $60,000 to $80,000, the suit said”

There's some show my wife like where these people go find old Hollywood movie props and sell them at auction. Last night the car from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (sp) went for $800k. Some letter went for $200k.

And a camera that was on the moon goes for $80k.

I guess I'm just totally out of step in the hero department.

8 posted on 06/30/2011 2:46:31 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: NormsRevenge

Mitchell should just claim to be in the country illegally. Obama would then give him the camera, pay for additional film and pick up the tab for auction fees.


9 posted on 06/30/2011 2:47:00 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Just stop Moochelle from flying to Spain and Africa. Voila! there’s the money!


10 posted on 06/30/2011 2:47:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Careful. He might send them a “moon shot” they don’t want.


11 posted on 06/30/2011 2:48:07 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, whatever his motivation... he needs to donate the camera to the Smithsonian. It belongs in a museum ~ and unless NASA gave it to him, it should have been there all along.


12 posted on 06/30/2011 2:48:16 PM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: NormsRevenge

13 posted on 06/30/2011 2:52:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: NormsRevenge

14 posted on 06/30/2011 2:52:35 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: NormsRevenge

All Mitchell needs to do is to show the court the documentation that proves that NASA gave him the camera.

If not, Mitchell is screwed.


15 posted on 06/30/2011 2:52:56 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not our NASA anymore.


16 posted on 06/30/2011 2:53:15 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: NormsRevenge
I used to go over the a bar called The Outpost that a lot of the old NASA guys would go to. It burned down recently. Another place was Carlos Beer Garden. The stories the old Apollo guys would tell were very interesting.

These were amazing people. Special people. People that could and still can whip out a slide rule and conjure up whatever you want. The did things nobody every tried before. They developed technology that benefited all of us. They should be respected.

I guarantee you that there was loads of stuff that walked out of NASA with the blessing of the powers that be. This was a very different time. We were better back then.

In the words of a famous for one day reporter (today) I say that whoever is hassling this great American is a dick!

17 posted on 06/30/2011 2:54:33 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Peanut Gallery

“Mitchell’s lawyer, Donald Jacobson, said NASA management was aware of and approved Mitchell’s ownership of the camera 40 years ago.
“Objects from the lunar trips to the moon were ultimately mounted and then presented to the astronauts as a gift after they had helped NASA on a mission,” Jacobson said.”


18 posted on 06/30/2011 2:58:52 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: isthisnickcool

My father knew a number of the original astronauts from their days as test pilots for Lockheed and Vought projects.

An amazing group of people.

We were a lot better back then.

(I still have my dad’s slide rule)


19 posted on 06/30/2011 2:59:18 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: I cannot think of a name

Every time I watch Antiques Roadshow, I sort of feel that the economy can’t be that bad..or that there are so many stupid people with lots of $$$ eager to spend it on crapola..


20 posted on 06/30/2011 3:00:11 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I suppose the golf club used by Alan Shepard during the Apollo 14 missionalso belongs to NASA, (although it was last seen in Obummer’s flog bag!)


21 posted on 06/30/2011 3:00:21 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
"Mitchell should just claim to be in the country illegally"

I tried that once during a traffic stop. DO NOT EVER DO IT! My spanish was fine. He refused to even look at my driver's information. It turns out that cops peer review each others shift reports and tickets and such. The registration showed me as the owner and one of the other cops made the officer a laughing stock of the day. My daughter and I were both arrested at home and fined big-time for interfering with a public official in the course of their duties.

22 posted on 06/30/2011 3:06:35 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: isthisnickcool

Well, I guess possession is nine points of the law. It seems odd that the current NASA would have so many eyes and ears in so many places to insure that no old astronaut retains possession of anything from their era. Perhaps somebody in NASA back then gave it to him as a legitimate show of respect. - I guess Michelle needs the money for pin money on her numerous vacations. $80,000 would buy a lot of french fries and fat bread. It would also go a long way in Muslim outreach that is now NASA’s stated reason for existing according to Obama.


23 posted on 06/30/2011 3:07:19 PM PDT by Twinkie (For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13)
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To: JoeProBono

Amazing. I’d like to know how many and what improvements were made to the spacesuits between the first and last missions.


24 posted on 06/30/2011 3:08:13 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: NormsRevenge
and prolly built 20 miles from here in Horseheads...
25 posted on 06/30/2011 3:10:34 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NormsRevenge

ACORN Received $31 Million in Government Funding Since 1998

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/22/acorn-received-31-million-in-government-funding-since-1998/

The hatred that the Obama regime has for white America
is historic. The Winnie and Nelson are in awe of these two.


26 posted on 06/30/2011 3:12:10 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: Chode
i take that back... they stopped making them at Apollo 12
27 posted on 06/30/2011 3:13:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NormsRevenge
NASA’s Hansen asked to account for outside activities

The above is the sort of activity they should be prosecuting, not a hero without paperwork on something he should have been given.

28 posted on 06/30/2011 3:13:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: NormsRevenge
The sixth person to walk on the moon, Mitchell is now retired and runs a website selling his autographed picture.

Dude walked on the freakin' Moon!
Not too many people can say that. (Well, not *honestly*.)

29 posted on 06/30/2011 3:16:46 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Chode
i take that back again... i was right the first time, Apollo 14 was their last flight then it went to RCA
30 posted on 06/30/2011 3:19:24 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“Mitchell’s lawyer, Donald Jacobson, said NASA management was aware of and approved Mitchell’s ownership of the camera 40 years ago. “Objects from the lunar trips to the moon were ultimately mounted and then presented to the astronauts as a gift after they had helped NASA on a mission,” Jacobson said.”

I've been involved in discussions of this sort of thing before (aerospace history is my major hobby). My recollection of the situation is that the Apollo astronauts were given items from their missions with the express stipulation that they could be kept, displayed, and passed on to spouses and descendants (possibly close relatives). But NOT sold. I think there were also similar limitations on the astronauts' personal kit - personal items that they were permitted to take up on flights.
31 posted on 06/30/2011 3:22:08 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: NormsRevenge

Let him Keep the Camera, he earned it!


32 posted on 06/30/2011 3:22:21 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Loud Mime

Maybe NASA wants it so they can give to iman for their outreach program....


33 posted on 06/30/2011 3:25:30 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: tanknetter

Thanks for that info!


34 posted on 06/30/2011 3:26:06 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Does an aging astronaut really want to die having the American people think he five finger discounted tax payers property.
35 posted on 06/30/2011 3:31:54 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: NormsRevenge

Side note: I recall reading a couple years ago that the computer data tapes that NASA used for their moon launches were re-used for personnel records. This was discovered when NASA was investigating the potential return to the moon.


36 posted on 06/30/2011 3:32:32 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: org.whodat
How many people, especially those alive at the time or knowledgeable about the lunar missions, would begrudge an elderly hero an obsolete piece of memorabilia that he risked his life for?
37 posted on 06/30/2011 3:35:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: blackdog

Now that’s funny....not then I presume but ....now.

Lmao.... Thanks for sharing that story with us.

Stay Safe...


38 posted on 06/30/2011 3:36:30 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Objects from the lunar trips to the moon were ultimately mounted and then presented to the astronauts as a gift after they had helped NASA on a mission,” Jacobson said.”

That changes the story more than just slightly.


39 posted on 06/30/2011 3:41:48 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: blackdog
"I tried that once during a traffic stop. (stating you were illegal)"

you might have done a little more research before you did something like that.
1. an illegal can not get a drivers license
2. some states illegals can get registration. Tennessee can not.
3. The plate would match up to your name.

40 posted on 06/30/2011 3:46:36 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are either honest are you are not, I just do not think the man wants it in the history book, he has a good retirement income.


41 posted on 06/30/2011 3:47:30 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: tanknetter

I’m sure there ,and still are, very special work contracts for those astronauts who go into space.


42 posted on 06/30/2011 3:48:08 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NormsRevenge

There are thousands of such cameras in Hollywood where the moon landing was filmed!


43 posted on 06/30/2011 3:49:36 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: NormsRevenge

He can keep the camera; but give NASA the memory stick.
That’s fair


44 posted on 06/30/2011 3:53:10 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Real hope and change comes in January 2013)
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To: Cyman

Yes. But see post #31 for more info.


45 posted on 06/30/2011 3:54:14 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Talk about stupid public relations. Do they really want to tussle with an elderly astronaut who went to the moon?

I hate to take O'Dumbo's side on this one, but I have no choice.
That camera is government property, and part of the national Legacy. It belongs in the Smithsonian.

But that reminds me. Did we ever get back the china, silver and furniture that the Trailer Park Clintoons attempted to abscond with from the White House? Oh yes, also the missing computer keyboard keys that they vandalized?

46 posted on 06/30/2011 3:58:03 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Well, at least Mitchell didn’t LOSE the camera, like NASA seems to do.

They lost a camera too? I thought losing the original moon landing tape from the Australia communications station was incompetent enough...

47 posted on 06/30/2011 4:00:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Went into an autograph store at Downtown Disney in Orlando. Noticed a collection of autographs from the movie Apollo 13 was priced 5 times more than the autographs of the actual astronauts which were side by side ....


48 posted on 06/30/2011 4:13:47 PM PDT by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Cheetahcat

If he was keeping it, this wouldn’t be an issue. He’s trying to sell it, and NASA’s pulling rank.

Which I have no problem with. It wasn’t his rocket that got him up there.


49 posted on 06/30/2011 4:19:42 PM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: Publius6961

Gus Grissom took a bunch of Mercury dimes with him when he went on his solo flight. When he splashed down and almost drowned, the capsule sunk to the bottom of the ocean. When they raised it a couple of years ago, I think they found the dimes still inside. Apparently Grissom HAD intended to sell them. I can’t blame him too much. Astronauts were paid at the same salary they received as their Air Force rank. Probably not too much in the early 60’s.


50 posted on 06/30/2011 4:26:09 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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