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Legally killed: 21 dementia victims given lethal injections by Dutch doctors in 2010
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | June 29, 2011 | Mail Foreign Service

Posted on 06/30/2011 8:59:07 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Dementia sufferers are being killed by doctors in Holland under the country’s euthanasia laws, official figures are to reveal.

A total of 21 patients with early-stage dementia, including Alzheimer’s, died by lethal injection last year, according to a forthcoming annual report.

This is the first time dementia sufferers have been included in the country’s euthanasia statistics.

None of the cases is thought to have involved any illegal act on the part of health professionals, and each time the patient was considered capable of giving their consent.

But the figures have caused alarm among critics who say the pool of patients who qualify for euthanasia in the Netherlands is expanding.

The figures, which are due to be formally released later in the summer, were leaked on NOS, the state television news channel

The NOS report included video footage of Alzheimer’s sufferer Guusje de Koning, 63, explaining to her children why she wanted to die at the hands of her doctor.

She said she had witnessed her own father’s slow decline and death through the illness, adding: ‘I don’t want that. I don’t want to suffer.’

Euthanasia advocates are using her story to promote the idea that euthanasia for dementia sufferers is a suitable way to avoid suffering and the expensive healthcare.

A series of public meetings have been held over the last year to encourage the elderly to learn about their ‘right’ to die, even if they are in good health but afraid of what might happen if they are diagnosed with dementia in the future.

But the practice of assisted suicide for dementia patients remains controversial. While some 95 per cent of Holland’s population support the country’s euthanasia laws, only 33 per cent of Dutch doctors agree with offering lethal injections to dementia sufferers.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alzheimers; dementia; euthanasia; lethalinjection; moralabsolutes; netherlands; prolife; soylentgreenispeople
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1 posted on 06/30/2011 8:59:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Uncle Adolf would be proud!


2 posted on 06/30/2011 9:00:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
On your next trip to Nederland imagine that you might fall ill and need the care of a Dutch doctor.

1/3 of the time that doctor is going to think it's OK to give you a lethal injection.

A comparison would be that you get in your car and drive out on the Interstate to travel downtown to work every day. You will have a fatal accident on Wednesday and the following Monday!

3 posted on 06/30/2011 9:03:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Charlton Heston wouldn't.

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

4 posted on 06/30/2011 9:04:18 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (July 23, 2017 - This is Ellis Wyatt. I am on strike.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Speechless...


5 posted on 06/30/2011 9:04:44 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Your what hurts??)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is tragic! My father suffered with dementia for over 10 years. Though it was tough, they were some of the sweetest days I had with my father. My prayers are up for the Dutch people this evening.


6 posted on 06/30/2011 9:07:02 PM PDT by italyconservative (Ready for an announcement and still ready to crawl over broken glass to vote for Palin 2012)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Q.....Why do the Dutch wear wooden shoes?

A.....To keep the woodpeckers off their heads.

Leni

7 posted on 06/30/2011 9:13:54 PM PDT by MinuteGal (a)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

MY my, Nazi doctors live on.

Coming to an American Hospital near you.


8 posted on 06/30/2011 9:15:36 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
None of the cases is thought to have involved any illegal act on the part of health professionals, and each time the patient was considered capable of giving their consent.

That is the stupidest thing I have read in a long time!

9 posted on 06/30/2011 9:23:50 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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Obamacare is the foot in the door to the same thing here. Rahm Emmanuel's brother is a “doctor” who believes the Hippocratic Oath was a bad influence on doctors because it encouraged them to work all out for their patients without regard for “the greater good of society.” Dr. Emmauel, one of Obanma’s closest health advisors, is clearly talking about the elimination of the old and sick unable to contribute to society. And ALL Obama’s advisors are relentlessly in favor of unrestricted, government subsidized abortion. People like Sebelius are cold, hard-eyed baby killers. They will have no mercy for the defenseless, either at the beginning or the end of life. These people must be defeated.
10 posted on 06/30/2011 9:37:57 PM PDT by Godwin1 (godwin 1)
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So "early stage dementia suffers" can be offed. What about "pre-dementia sufferers"? or "dementia-prone" people? Why wait until people actually have dementia? Think of the countless meals saved if it's caught early and people are killed off in a more timely fashion.

Germany lost WW2 but the Nazis won anyway.

11 posted on 06/30/2011 9:40:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As a practicing neuropsychologist I have dealt with stroke and dementia for the past 40 years. Almost all people fear brain injury which leaves them dependent more than death itself. Far more.

If I become demented, as I lose the last vestiges of dignity, I hope some one will show me the mercy I would give my dog or horse so I won’t have to do it myself.


12 posted on 06/30/2011 10:11:49 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Its already happening here. In many nursing homes across the US, dementia patients are slowly starved and/or dehydrated to death. The excuse the nurses use is they do not have to feed them or help them, all they have to do is OFFER them food. And if you object? They call the cops on YOU.

I have been fighting this for years as a private caregiver for dementia patients and am persona non gratia at every nursing home I come in contact with because I will go in and fight for them and even feed them.

Shots are not far behind.

13 posted on 06/30/2011 10:35:12 PM PDT by reaganaut ("I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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This is a very disturbing report from the Neatherlands. If anyone has a friend or relative that still thinks Obama care is what we need, please get them this report. Tell them if they are ever suffering from dementia or alzheimers that Obama's doctors will do the same to them. Regardless of what they mey want..............


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14 posted on 06/30/2011 11:00:38 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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15 posted on 06/30/2011 11:02:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TxDas

Why, so you can evade personal responsibility?


16 posted on 06/30/2011 11:03:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
None of the cases is thought to have involved any illegal act on the part of health professionals, and each time the patient was considered capable of giving their consent.

In most countries a person suffering from dementia cannot legally take care of themselves nor can they enter into an contract.

So what kind of evidence do they have that says they are of clear mind to agree to being put to death?

God help us all. This is our future. God help us all.
17 posted on 06/30/2011 11:05:32 PM PDT by John 8_58 ( "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.")
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To: reaganaut; TxDas

TxDas is right above you - s/he wants to be killed if s/he gets dementia so s/he doesn’t have to take personal responsibility for him/herself.

With professionals who want to be able to kill people, we’re already there.


18 posted on 06/30/2011 11:08:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; TxDas

While I have worked with dementia patients for fewer years (34 rather than 40) than TxDas, I completely disagree with his view.

Dementia patients don’t KNOW they have no ‘dignity’ (whatever that means). They are human, they are still loved by families and still have value as human beings. They are in reality little different than children.

It is cowardice to make someone else kill you because you don’t want the responsibility of doing it yourself. And to put that burden on family members is reprehensible. There are such things as DNRs and Medical Directives where the individual states their desired care and medical treatment.

If he doesn’t want to live so be it, but every person I have cared for in the last 34 years were still human beings and we have no right to end their life any more than we should kill unborn babies.

And it is sickening how often I have seen so called ‘professionals’ forget that they are to care not destroy.

Do I want to be a burden to my family? No. But that doesn’t mean that I want to be killed either and I would be grateful if my family cared enough to let me live until GOD calls me home, not man.


19 posted on 06/30/2011 11:25:46 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

A companion article I just found that I’ll ping out tomorrow:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2742545/posts

Organs of those killed by euthanasia being used (harvesting)
The Telegraph ^ | 14 Jun 2011 | Simon Caldwell

Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:19:50 PM by bronxville

Doctors are impressed by the superior condition of lungs taken from people who killed by lethal injection compared to those extracted from those killed in accidents...

Surgeons in Leuven between 2007 and 2009 successfully transplanted four pairs of lungs from people who died from euthanasia.

The authors of the study, Initial Experience with Transplantation of Lungs Recovered From Donors After Euthanasia, insisted that doctors were acting strictly within Belgian guidelines on euthanasia, which was legalised in 2002.

They reveal how ‘donors were admitted to the hospital a few hours before the planned euthanasia procedure’.

‘A central venous line was placed in a room adjacent to the operating room,’ said the report by D. Van Raemdonck et al, a team of surgeons from Leuven

‘Donors were heparinised [injected with an anticoagulant] immediately before a cocktail of drugs was given by the treating physician who agreed to perform the euthanasia.

‘The patient was announced dead on cardiorespiratory criteria by three independent physicians as required by Belgian legislation for every organ donor.

‘The deceased was then rapidly transferred, installed on the operating table, and intubated.’...

The paper showed that about 23.5 per cent of lung transplant donors in Belgium and 2.8 per cent of heart transplant donors are killed by euthanasia...

Dr Peter Saunders, of Care Not Killing, an umbrella group of more than 50 British medical, disability and religious charities opposed to euthanasia, said he was shocked by the report...

The report comes just a year after researchers found a high proportion of deaths classified as euthanasia in Belgium have involved patients who have not requested their lives to be ended by a doctor.

Belgium became the second in the world after the Netherlands to legalise euthanasia since the fall of Nazi Germany..


20 posted on 06/30/2011 11:33:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TxDas

“so I won’t have to do it myself”, this is quite a shocking statement to make. You sir, sound like a true coward. Let someone else go to hell for the deed. Wow. Glad I’m not one of your patients.


21 posted on 06/30/2011 11:33:59 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian (All I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Euthanasia advocates are using her story to promote the idea that euthanasia for dementia sufferers is a suitable way to avoid suffering and the expensive healthcare."

First they came for the demented...

22 posted on 07/01/2011 12:27:44 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: reaganaut
Do I want to be a burden to my family? No. But that doesn’t mean that I want to be killed either and I would be grateful if my family cared enough to let me live until GOD calls me home, not man.

Amen brother Amen.

The Lord giveth life, and only the Lord can taketh away.

Unless it be in war for freedom, as the Lord led the Isrealites.
23 posted on 07/01/2011 12:40:58 AM PDT by John 8_58 ( "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Are these the same people who oppose the death penalty; and vehemently so if the perp is a “mentally ill” psychopathic serial killing rapist?


24 posted on 07/01/2011 1:03:07 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: TxDas

“I hope some one will show me the mercy I would give my dog or horse so I won’t have to do it myself.”

So you would put that burden on them.


25 posted on 07/01/2011 1:29:15 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Uncle Adolf would be proud!”

He would be; the Axis lost WWII on the battlefield, but the Nazis certaily won the peace. Their “culture” thrives, while that of the Western allies perished. 65 years ago abortion was one the crimes against humanity at Nuremberg; now WWII’s “victors” celebrate it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.


26 posted on 07/01/2011 2:50:15 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wonder what they get for body parts?Obamacare to ensue.


27 posted on 07/01/2011 3:32:23 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: little jeremiah

China has nice vans where they lay you on a table to finish you off, and then take your organs (it is assumed) - rather than the dirty method of a firing squad (for the undesirables, of course).


28 posted on 07/01/2011 5:05:57 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: little jeremiah

“Why, so you can evade personal responsibility?”

no, because, in my experience, as people become demented and want to be relieved of their suffering they are now too incompetent to do it right.


29 posted on 07/01/2011 5:47:38 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Psalm 144

I have never understood why extending suffering, torture really, and preventing a person from reaching their seat at the right hand of God, is some how better than showing true mercy and relieving a person of unbearable agony.

I guess that is why religions are declining in America and elsewhere, the inability of the people to mind their own business and to continuously inflict their believes on others.


30 posted on 07/01/2011 5:53:27 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: TxDas
"I have never understood why extending suffering, torture really, and preventing a person from reaching their seat at the right hand of God, is some how better than showing true mercy and relieving a person of unbearable agony."

Because history has proved that the people who define 'suffering', 'torture' and 'unbearable agony' ultimately prevail over the wishes of those actually enduring the 'suffering', 'torture' and 'unbearable agony'. IOW, your 'quality of life' is determined for you and that is often contrary to your own opinions and wishes.

"I guess that is why religions are declining in America and elsewhere, the inability of the people to mind their own business and to continuously inflict their believes on others."

Somebody is always 'inflicting their believes'. After all, aren't you arguing that your 'believes' should prevail? The only question is, "Whose believes [sic] will we live under?"

31 posted on 07/01/2011 6:01:00 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How much longer before they decide Christianity and Judaism are mental illnesses and start rounding poeople up?


32 posted on 07/01/2011 6:04:20 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
From 2008 and the UK....

Baroness Warnock: Dementia sufferers may have a 'duty to die'

33 posted on 07/01/2011 6:04:52 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: little jeremiah; TxDas
TxDas is right above you - s/he wants to be killed if s/he gets dementia so s/he doesn’t have to take personal responsibility for him/herself.

Interesting take on TxDas' point of view.

If, years before I have dementia or some other terminal disease, I execute a living will specifying my wishes, how is that dodging personal responsibility for myself? On the contrary, I'd be a vegetable and not know or care what was going around me, but it would be my family with the burden of caring and paying for me. Why should I push that responsibility off onto them? How selfish.

I lost both of my parents to cancer, and I watched them suffer a slow, lingering, and painful death. At the end they were in hospice, where they were given morphine for pain, but were allowed to continue to suffer until they passed away.

My wishes would be that when I'm at the point of being in hospice's care in the final stages of death, that instead of morphine I would be given something that would put me to sleep and end my suffering.

It is easy to turn this into Nazi-era killing of people because they might get sick, but until you witness the real suffering - twice - that goes on for weeks and months, you'd hope for something a little less painful at the end of your own life.

34 posted on 07/01/2011 6:26:13 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The Dutch are so far ahead of America socially, a true inspiration to godless liberal socialist worldwide.

Nah, there's no such thing as death panels, just progressive diagnosis & treatment.

35 posted on 07/01/2011 7:34:56 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TxDas; little jeremiah

as people become demented and want to be relieved of their suffering they are now too incompetent to do it right.

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You are ASSUMING they ‘want to be relived of their suffering’. I have seen cancer patients who have suffered much more than dementia patients. In fact, until they get to end stage and are in nursing homes that STARVE AND DEHYDRATE THEM, they aren’t suffering at all. No more than a 3 yr old.

They can be curious, playful, and even (gasp) fun to be around. I had one patient (2.5 yrs) that wouldn’t do her physical therapy, but she would mimic me and she would dance. So I did the excercise and she copied me, then we would cha-cha down the hallway, tango to the kitchen, waltzed to the bedroom. We didnt’ walk, we danced. We fingerpainted and played with playdoh. I bought her kids makeup so she could still safely put on makeup every day. I helped her bathe, dress, gave her her meds (told her they were vitamins), took her to the doctor.

Her last 2.5 yrs on earth were a joy for her and her husband. He saw her loved and cared for. She was still a wife/mother who was loved, not a statistic.

IMO, you need a different line of work.


36 posted on 07/01/2011 8:16:52 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: TxDas; Psalm 144; mrreaganaut

No religion is declining because of idiots like you who want to play God.

God has the power to give and take life, not you.


37 posted on 07/01/2011 8:21:10 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: TxDas; reaganaut
If I become demented, as I lose the last vestiges of dignity, I hope some one will show me the mercy I would give my dog or horse so I won’t have to do it myself.

I hate to point out the obvious, but demented persons, being unaware, have no dignity to lose. Likewise, demented persons would be only capable of unintentional self-harm, not suicide.

From your comments, it appears that you are projecting present feelings of disgust toward the disabled into a hypothetical and counter-factual future. Should the viewer or the object be more ashamed by this disgust?

38 posted on 07/01/2011 9:18:48 AM PDT by mrreaganaut (Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.)
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To: mrreaganaut

When my Father had his stroke and was paralyzed and unable to talk I watched tears run from his eyes as the medical staff talked about his condition in front of him like he was not there. They kept him on life support for 2 weeks, despite his living will asking for no heroics, until they had exhausted his medical benefits and then let him die from kidney failure 7 hours

I can assure you we can keep a ham sandwich “alive” indefinitely we want.

So I changed my career. I realized stroke and dementia are untreatable. However, at that time, 10+% of strokes happened during surgery. So I figured if I could prevent strokes, like the one that happened to my father, then I would have accomplished something worthwhile. So for the past 25 years I have dedicated my life and career to improving neurological outcomes following cardiac and orthopedic surgery. When I started, 5% of patients undergoing cardiopulmonary bypass had disabling strokes and 80% had evidence of brain injury.

My last analysis shows we have reduced obvious stroke to less than 1% and neurobehavioral deficits to under 10%. We did this by modifying how we deliver blood to the brain, how we manipulate the aorta, minimizing the use of blood products and improved monitoring. That is about 50,000 fewer strokes per year in the USA alone compared to 1990.

So I ask my critics - what have you done to alleviate human suffering and the indignity of debilitating neurologic decline other than assume the moral high ground? Held hands? Candle light vigils? Prayer? What other than bitching?


39 posted on 07/01/2011 9:39:33 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: TxDas; mrreaganaut

I (along with Mrreganaut) have devoted most of my life in caring for those who cannot care for themselves. What have I done? I have quit jobs to care for family members with dementia, I have moved, I have bathed, clothed, loved, cleaned up incontinence. I have made them feel loved and cared for. I have worked professionally caring for people whose children could or would not. I have been in the trenches every single day. I have made their last years as comfortable and joyous as they could be. MrR has been beside me, helping and supporting for since we were in High School and I had dropped out to go to college because it was easier to care for my Great-grandfather (Alzhiemer’s 17 years).

What I haven’t done is what you are doing, saying they would be better off dead because they are an inconvenience to others.

So, your claim of moral superiority falls flat with us.


40 posted on 07/01/2011 9:49:41 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is disgusting. I guess we need an advocacy group called PETEAU....PEOPLE for the ETHICAL TREATMENT of the ELDERLY and the UNBORN.

I’m no philosopher but it’s becoming apparent that at some point, there won’t be enough moral people left to fight the immoral. I guess that’s when it ends.


41 posted on 07/01/2011 10:01:10 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: TxDas

“So I ask my critics - what have you done to alleviate human suffering and the indignity of debilitating neurologic decline other than assume the moral high ground? Held hands? Candle light vigils? Prayer? What other than bitching?”

Been primary caregiver for each of my ancestors who ended up needing it. Three, to be exact. Carried the casket for one. Provided backup for others who found themselves in the same predicament - meals, transportation, shift relief, or simply being a sympathetic ear. I might eat a pistol when my time nears, but I am not pulling anyone’s plug, or putting the weight of guilt on anyone else to pull mine.


42 posted on 07/01/2011 10:43:39 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
From somewhere in Hell, an evil laugh is heard...


43 posted on 07/01/2011 10:52:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: TxDas; reaganaut

I think, perhaps, that there has been some talking-past one another on this thread, and I apologize if I have said anything hurtful. The heart of your complaint is the treatment of your father by those who were supposed to be caregivers. This is the heart of my wife’s complaint, also.

Both of you responded with compassion, and did what you felt would alleviate suffering. However, the point of the article is: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? By improving medical technique, you have done much to prevent harm. Your fear of mistreatment in the face of this improvement goes to show that we have far to go in actual treatment of one another as individuals.

Not giving so-called caretakers medical justifications to withhold care is a frail safeguard against a state which rewards carelessness and heartlessness.


44 posted on 07/01/2011 11:28:35 AM PDT by mrreaganaut (weltschmerz: the sadness one feels when contemplating how far the real world is from an ideal world.)
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To: Yo-Yo
If, years before I have dementia or some other terminal disease, I execute a living will specifying my wishes, how is that dodging personal responsibility for myself? On the contrary, I'd be a vegetable and not know or care what was going around me, but it would be my family with the burden of caring and paying for me. Why should I push that responsibility off onto them? How selfish.

If someone wants others to take responsibility for killing them, that is dodging personal responsibility. You want the government and the medical profession to turn into executioners. If anyone wants to commit suicide, there are books with many plans and details - get the supplies now, and at the first sign of dementia or pain or whatever else is your signal to exit, take care of your death yourself. Anything else is foisting the responsibility of your death onto the government and medical profession.

It is the ultimate selfishness to want to change the health profession into a death profession, and the government involved in deciding who should live and who should die, just to suit your suicidal impulse.

It is easy to turn this into Nazi-era killing of people because they might get sick, but until you witness the real suffering - twice - that goes on for weeks and months, you'd hope for something a little less painful at the end of your own life.

If you read about this topic at all, you will see that people are routinely killed in the Netherlands, the UK and Belgium - now read carefully - without their consent. Not "maybe in the future" but right now. Apparently that's okay by you. And your assumption that I and others opposed to the government and medical profession getting into the euthanasia business have no clue about taking care of the dying, or chronic pain, you are merely displaying ignorance.

Also, calling people with diminished mental, brain or communications capacity "vegetables" reveals much about you. Vegetables are killed every day when carrots, potatoes and cauliflowers are harvested. You're comparing human beings who have emotions and feel pain and comfort to turnips. That's disgusting.

45 posted on 07/01/2011 11:47:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TxDas

So anyone not a medical professional such as yourself has no worthy opinion or viewpoint? Is that what you are saying?

I’m not going to detail my personal life for you. But I will say that I am no stranger to caring for the dying.

Turning the medical profession and the government into executioners is not the answer to pain and suffering.


46 posted on 07/01/2011 12:02:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: reaganaut

That is beautiful. Thank you.


47 posted on 07/01/2011 12:04:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I have been blessed by God with a heart for the elderly and a gift for caring for those who have dementia and Alzheimers. I really do believe I have been called by God to do what I do, and I am good at it (totally a God thing).

What I have discovered, in caring for the elderly, is that they can be a blessing, not a burden. The lady I cared for that I mentioned above, could never remember my name but I was her ‘very favorite special friend’. Part of what I did professionally, was to teach the family how to deal with the changes and to make the care easier for them.

I learned a lot from those I cared for and got and gave a lot of love. It can be a great thing to care for the elderly and it is sad that Americans have lost a lot of that.


48 posted on 07/01/2011 12:28:39 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Caring for the helpless is human. Killing them whether the reason is “useless eaters” or “it’s for their own good” is demoniac.

Freepmail coming your way


49 posted on 07/01/2011 12:34:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I certainly could have gotten rich giving false hope to families with little or no medical experience.

“You don’t want your mother to die do you?” Well, another $2000 MRI scan will help; better let yet another $500, 5 minute neurologic help you make a decision; best get a $200 basic metabolic panel to see if her condition has changed since yesterday.”

“For an extra $3000 a month your mother can rest with a higher class of fellow patients who don’t recognize their children. Why, all of our non-English speaking aliens are certified legal!”

“We will just bankrupt your mom so she will be indigent and we can have Medicare and the Taxpayer pay for all these extra tests. She will now have to stay in a crappy nursing home and have a roommate, but neither know who they are so what the hell!”

“Another couple of years in that trailer park won’t hurt because you know your mom is getting the best care possible. You son wasn’t college material anyway and state schools are fine, those Ivy League schools are over rated. New Car? Come on, that clunker will run fine for a couple of more years and by ordering a few more tests I’ll be able to afford that new yacht I have had my eye on”.

Yep, there is a lot of money in taking care of the neurologically impaired. The absolute main problem is getting useful information which will provide realistic expectations. Hard to come by if you are not well informed. Even then it is a battle.

Good luck to all of you, you will need it.


50 posted on 07/01/2011 12:35:14 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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