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Dems to spin Fast & Furious probe into gun-control rally
http://hotair.com ^ | June 30 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/01/2011 5:40:20 AM PDT by Durus

After yesterday’s news of the deal between Senators Pat Leahy and Charles Grassley to get documents and testimony from ATF chief Kenneth Melson on Operation Fast and Furious, it seemed as though Democrats might finally take the scandal of the gunrunning fiasco seriously. Alas, Elijah Cummings and House Democrats appear uninterested in abuses of government power, incompetence, and potential cover-ups at AFT and the Department of Justice. In fact, they want to turn the probe into an argument for expanding government control of firearms:

The top Democrat on a House investigative committee is broadening an inquiry into a botched gun-tracing operation, called Operation Fast and Furious, to include a look at American gun laws. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), the leading Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, released a report early Thursday titled “Outgunned,” that details how Bureau for Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents say gun laws need to be tightened for them to fight organized crime along the U.S.-Mexico border

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1 posted on 07/01/2011 5:40:28 AM PDT by Durus
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To: Durus

Hey ATF! If you’re ‘having trouble fighting crime on the border’, how about you stop causing it?


2 posted on 07/01/2011 5:42:25 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Durus

....you can bet your last cartridge this comes directly from the White Hut to protect the little boy king....


3 posted on 07/01/2011 5:43:31 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Durus

The originators of the plan are these same people. Gunwalker was an anti-gun propaganda scheme.


4 posted on 07/01/2011 5:44:51 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Durus

The facts would typically win the argument, but the MSM has little use for facts and will instead promote the Stalinist agenda.


5 posted on 07/01/2011 5:45:35 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Durus

They are circling the wagons, folks! We must be getting close to something big!


6 posted on 07/01/2011 5:46:03 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Durus

Republicans need to learn how to deliver a COMMON, CONSISTENT MESSAGE, to combat Obama and the MSM.


7 posted on 07/01/2011 5:56:29 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Durus

Only a liberal would see the best way to defeat an enemy would be by giving him weapons and ammunition


8 posted on 07/01/2011 5:56:37 AM PDT by jmcenanly ( "We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him." -Samuel)
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9 posted on 07/01/2011 6:00:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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10 posted on 07/01/2011 6:01:09 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Durus

It was always on the agenda for the Dems to bring gun control into it...Heck, that’s what the gun-running operation was created for...manufacture a problem and then point to it, going see see? This is why we need gun control.

Only it backfired big time. And sadly , American lives have been lost by their actions. They need to be held accountable, Holder impeached and let the rest of the political chips fall where they may.


11 posted on 07/01/2011 6:01:25 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Durus

Sounds like they are returning to the original purpose of the entire operation, hoping this whole boob-in-the-wringer investigation thing will work itself out along the way.


12 posted on 07/01/2011 6:28:36 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Yep.

The fact they are trying to reinforce the notion that Gunwalker was about more gun control is an indication to me that something else is involved.

Somebody was being armed up for a reason, and it's not just gun control.

The fact info was recovered from UBl’s compound clearly showing terrorist attacks are being planned and orchestrated around events in the news (just one example is the dems orchestrated stories about the right wingers wanting to assassinate Zippo, and UBL comes up with a plan to assassinate Zippo) we now have Adam Gadan calling for terrorist attacks using guns bought through the bogus claim of Gun Show Loophole.

They are no longer trying to hide the fact terrorist attacks are being planned around news events, they are trying to convince everyone the terrorist are simply picking up on what's in the news and planning an attack around it, when in reality the dems are orchestrating the news for the attacks to be planned around.

I think they've been arming up the terrorist across the border with American weapons, not the drug cartels.

The drug cartels don't need American weapons, they can get all the weapons they want from other countries.

13 posted on 07/01/2011 6:39:50 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SueRae
Held accountable should mean jail time at a minimum. These are capital crimes we are talking about. Losing ones job doesn't begin to cover it.

At a minimum Eric Holder, William Newell, Ron Weich, and Kenneth Melson, broke or ordered to be broken, state laws, multiple federal laws, international small arms treaties, and Mexican laws. All of this for the sake of depriving Americans of their 2nd amendment rights which is, in and of itself, a crime. Further by ordering all of these laws to be broken they were intentionally arming sworn enemies of the United States.

They have broken enough laws that if they actually had to face justice like us little people they would have to talk very fast to escape the death penalty.

14 posted on 07/01/2011 6:44:59 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I shared your excitement and thought the same thing when Clinton got impeached.

There will be no accountability for this administration, either.


15 posted on 07/01/2011 7:04:29 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Durus

The idea that Melson would run a program that would put firearms in the hands of the cartels WITHOUT getting the Attorney General’s approval doesn’t pass the Does-that-make-sense Test.


16 posted on 07/01/2011 7:27:40 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Durus

Typical Democrat strategy. Blow blue smoke, obscure the issue. This country won’t improve until the power of the Democratic Party is put to an end.


17 posted on 07/01/2011 7:44:26 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Durus

Giggles. They are pathetic. Good luck with that, Demrats./s

Keep diggin’.


18 posted on 07/01/2011 9:28:45 AM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: IMR 4350
Somebody was being armed up for a reason, and it's not just gun control.

We know the islamists and socialists are working together in the middle east and Obama is, at the very least, making sure nobody gets in their way by calling it a democracy movement.

I doubt anyone south of the border needs arms as they are readily available.

What if Al Qaeda terrorists used US firearms to conduct another Beslan or Mumbai attack inside the US where the terrorists get killed, but their weapons are left behind and traced back to US firearm dealers.

The dealers would claim the BATFE forced those sales to straw buyers. The straw buyers would be arrested and say that they sold the firearms at a gun show, opening the door for new gun laws.

19 posted on 07/01/2011 10:18:33 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: IMR 4350
Somebody was being armed up for a reason, and it's not just gun control.

We know the islamists and socialists are working together in the middle east and Obama is, at the very least, making sure nobody gets in their way by calling it a democracy movement.

I doubt anyone south of the border needs arms as they are readily available.

What if Al Qaeda terrorists used US firearms to conduct another Beslan or Mumbai attack inside the US where the terrorists get killed, but their weapons are left behind and traced back to US firearm dealers.

The dealers would claim the BATFE forced those sales to straw buyers. The straw buyers would be arrested and say that they sold the firearms at a gun show, opening the door for new gun laws.

20 posted on 07/01/2011 10:18:40 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
That's basically along the lines of what I was thinking.

Terrorist attacks with American weapons. Look at the panic caused by the DC snipers. This country would be paralyzed. Every left wing freak would be screaming for the govt to do something about all the guns, and I don't have a doubt Zippo would try.

The Mexican drug cartels don't need American weapons.

They may be using the cartels to get the weapons to the terrorist because they have the people to do it and if they get caught, which they have, then it's just dope dealers getting weapons not terrorist getting weapons.

The ATF clearly aren't the brightest bulbs in the lamp, but nobody is so incompetent they would think they could track weapons once they crossed the border, especially without the cooperation of the Mexican govt.

The selling of guns to cartels for gun control story just doesn't add up. I really don't know how to explain it, but to me it's just too convenient. It sound like a story created because that is what people want to believe.

21 posted on 07/01/2011 11:59:52 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Durus
ATF Whistleblower Speaks Out
Jun 30, 2011 - 6:15 - Vince Cefalu, who's being pushed out by the agency, discusses the botched gun operation

Fox News interview with senior agent Vince Cefalu. He has been terminated and says about 30 other agents have been terminated due to their opposition to operation Fast and Furious. Says DoJ was intimately involved.


22 posted on 07/01/2011 2:40:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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23 posted on 07/01/2011 9:20:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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24 posted on 07/01/2011 9:25:30 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Durus

No surprise, they are just continuing with the original intent of the debacle.

Mere facts and being discovered are not enough to sway them from their intended course.


25 posted on 07/01/2011 11:18:56 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: TigersEye

This interview left much to be desired. Cefalu, I hope, has provided much more specific information to Grassley and Issa. Also, with the information that he supposedly has available, why wasn’t he called to attend Issa’s first hearing?


26 posted on 07/02/2011 4:12:59 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: SunkenCiv

This certainly is a mess.

The mainly slime media will toe the dimoc’rat line, and the mindless hoards that have been spewing out of the public schools for fifty years will lap up the kool-aid like nectar.

And it’s all the Republicans’ fault.

Meantime, the truth comes out on Fox, and the only people who see it are Conservatives who already know all about it.

If Issa and Grassley get any impeachments and convictions out of this, they’ll be tarred and feathered with the “McCarthyism” lie. But that’s a big “if.”


27 posted on 07/02/2011 4:47:10 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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28 posted on 07/02/2011 5:33:37 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Durus
The minority whitewash on gunwalking begins:

On March 16, 2011, Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell E. Issa launched an investigation into allegations that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), as part of an effort known as Operation Fast and Furious, failed to properly monitor hundreds of firearms acquired by suspected straw purchasers and destined for drug cartels in Mexico.

And that is all it has to say about the actual gunwalking. The truth is that they did not "fail to properly monitor" the guns. The agents were ordered not to track the guns, and there is a difference between failing (which would indicate trying) and being ordered not to try.
29 posted on 07/02/2011 7:22:04 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: agere_contra

Fast and Furious might have been designed for just that, to screw and blame the dealers for cooperating.

“The government is never wrong” cornered dog CYA mode is on going. These people are like rapists, and they rape, and then they murder. THey count on being kept alive because their victims are too weak, or so condidered.


30 posted on 07/02/2011 7:44:32 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“...They are circling the wagons, folks! We must be getting close to something big!...”

So as a result, OUR wagons must ALWAYS be circled. This is THE single most-criminal administration in the history of this country.

They mean us harm. Have no doubts about it. They are rotten and Red to the core.


31 posted on 07/02/2011 8:16:24 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Durus

Typical Dems—caught with their hands in the cookie jar they demonize the cookies.


32 posted on 07/02/2011 9:33:50 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Sans Sarah-Bachmann's The One.")
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