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John Lennonís Second Thoughts
FrontPage Magazine ^ | July 1, 2011 | David Swindle

Posted on 07/01/2011 10:24:12 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative

For more than 40 years Beatles member John Lennon towered above all others as the Left’s most powerful artistic icon. His anthem “Imagine” dreamed of a unified world that transcended the divides of nation-states and religious strife. It was an inspiration to generations of utopians. Now a new documentary reveals a startling fact: in his final years before his murder, the songwriter abandoned his famous progressive faith, enjoyed arguing with radicals, and supported Ronald Reagan.

The Toronto Sun reported Tuesday night on one of the interviews from a new documentary called “Beatles Stories.” Director Seth Swirsky spent five years collecting anecdotes from those who knew members of the band. One of the people Swirsky talked with was Fred Seaman who worked as Lennon’s personal assistant in 1979 and 1980.

According to Seaman,

John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.

“He’d met Reagan back, I think, in the 70s at some sporting event… Reagan was the guy who had ordered the National Guard, I believe, to go after the young (peace) demonstrators in Berkeley, so I think that John maybe forgot about that… He did express support for Reagan, which shocked me.

“I also saw John embark in some really brutal arguments with my uncle, who’s an old-time communist… He enjoyed really provoking my uncle… Maybe he was being provocative… but it was pretty obvious to me he had moved away from his earlier radicalism.

“He was a very different person back in 1979 and 80 than he’d been when he wrote Imagine. By 1979 he looked back on that guy and was embarrassed by that guy’s naivete.”

How will the Left respond to these revelations?

(Excerpt) Read more at frontpagemag.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beatles; johnlennon; leftism; ronaldreagan
"Imagine" has done a lot of damage and been one of the most powerful of the Left's propaganda tools. I hope conservatives will recognize that and realize what an opportunity this is to deal a blow to the Left and take away one of their most powerful symbols.
1 posted on 07/01/2011 10:24:17 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
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To: HorowitzianConservative

1979 was about the same time I was having my conversion from being a young Democrat perfectly at ease with the Hippy generation around me, to being a staunch Reagan God & Country conservative. John was always the “deep thinker” of the four, so I’m not too shocked about this revelation. Now if it was Paul, now that would be a real shocker.


2 posted on 07/01/2011 10:29:42 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: HorowitzianConservative

The provided link results in a page not found 404 error.


3 posted on 07/01/2011 10:30:28 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: NavyCanDo

And who cares what any artist thinks?


4 posted on 07/01/2011 10:32:48 AM PDT by Lumper20 (state)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

While I agree with the thrust that it’s not surprising that John had wised up in his “old age” - the caveat here is that John always enjoyed stirring the pot - how much of this is heartfelt belief and how much of this is love of a good argument might be a bit difficult to tease out since it happened “all those years ago”.


5 posted on 07/01/2011 10:33:22 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

When Lennon was killed, I was in 7th grade. The song “Imagine” was played every 15 minutes on the radio.

Two friends, one who I had been close friends with since 1st grade, were killed by a car while riding their bikes. I was devastated and still think about him. His name is Chad Chollette.

His Father and Mother played “Imagine” at his funeral because Chad loved the song. But we were too young to know what the song meant.

I guess I have a strange connection to that song. I could never listen to it and not think of Chad.


6 posted on 07/01/2011 10:36:43 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

That’s strange. Sorry: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/01/john-lennon%E2%80%99s-second-thoughts/


7 posted on 07/01/2011 10:37:40 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
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To: Lumper20

See what happens when one comes off the dope for a while.


8 posted on 07/01/2011 10:40:16 AM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

One of the things that come from demographic analysis is that people grow up. Too often in our politics when people talk about something being demographically inevidible they forget that one simple fact of reality. Now it is true we have far more adults with minds of spoiled children but thankfully most do still grow up.


9 posted on 07/01/2011 10:42:05 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Lumper20

Art has a big effect on what people think. Always has.


10 posted on 07/01/2011 10:42:48 AM PDT by Borges
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To: HorowitzianConservative

The libtards can console themselves with the fact that Paul is still one of theirs.


11 posted on 07/01/2011 10:45:11 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I shall refrain from using profanity, except when discussing house rent and taxes." - Mark Twain)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Well strap me to the side of a pig and roll me in the mud! I’m a huge Beatles fan, and even have a John Lennon signature Rickenbacker! However, I’ve always felt most of them were flaming idiots ideologically. This revalation about John is interesting to say the least. It would have been interesting to see how he would have reacted to the current occupant of the White House.


12 posted on 07/01/2011 10:46:03 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: HorowitzianConservative
The bottom line is that John Lennon was not all that bright and certainly was not very well educated.

He did have artistic talent as he was a very clever lyricist and wrote some excellent tunes. This cannot be denied and I love a lot of the tunes he came up with.

But I've learned over the years that this means next to nothing when it comes to understanding the issues of the day. In this regard, he was no better at understanding these complex issues than the average plummer or hair stylist (no disrespect meant to those jobs).

My anger is directed at those in the press who put the microphone in his face and tried to use him for their own political reasons. In the mid 1950s when Elvis came onto the scene, nobody cared about his political leanings (if he had any) except to know he was a patroit in that he didn't complain about being drafted. But withing 10 years there was this change in American society. All of a sudden, those in the media began to think it was important that the political views of celebrities should be made public and that it was significant. This is a disturbing trend that hasn't stopped since this time. We have seen Buffoons elected to the governorship of California and the senate from Minnesota simply based on this trend. It's a very negative thing.
13 posted on 07/01/2011 10:48:03 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
"Imagine" has done a lot of damage and been one of the most powerful of the Left's propaganda tools.

One reason it's been so effective is because it's so brilliant in its simplicity. Any child can learn the entire song on piano in about five minutes.

14 posted on 07/01/2011 10:55:46 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
"Imagine" is a truly nauseating piece of work. Nothing matters except John Lennon's socialist Utopia, no doubt achieved at the point of a gun, as all socialism is (except possibly in Sweden).

I have my doubts about the validity of this news, and it means nothing, anyway. Norma McCorvey changed her mind, too. So what? The damage is done.

I think someone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame, nothing more.

15 posted on 07/01/2011 10:59:46 AM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

“If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”


16 posted on 07/01/2011 11:04:39 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: truthguy
In the mid 1950s when Elvis came onto the scene, nobody cared about his political leanings (if he had any)

All I remember is that in 1967 or '68, he was a George Wallace man. Maybe that caused a fuss in the music business, and some press agent or manager had him record the sentimental, implicitly liberal "In the Ghetto" as damage control. Just my hypothesis.

17 posted on 07/01/2011 11:07:14 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Someone needs to make a “JOHN LENNON WAS A REPUBLICAN” bumper sticker. That should turn some heads. Or make them explode.


18 posted on 07/01/2011 11:07:34 AM PDT by struggle
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To: All

One UK blog had a commment that it was just an assistant cashing in on Lennon’s name, it was just driven by dollars and it wasn’t true.

However they forgot to mention that Yoko has been the biggest “casher in” on his name...:^)


19 posted on 07/01/2011 11:14:32 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I seem to remember a letter John wrote to David Marsh of Rolling Stone magazine. It was in response to Marsh criticizing Lennon for not recording anything new. This must have been late 70’s or so. Lennon let him have it good. Tried google search for it, but can’t find it. Anyone remember this?


20 posted on 07/01/2011 11:18:33 AM PDT by robby (xbox360 gamertag...........bainrowe)
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To: struggle

Actually, one of his passions was dairy farming, he had a “Dreamstreet” farm in Delaware County NY and obviously had to have some business sense to run it right. Capitalism did wonderful things for him...Too bad he didn’t live long enough to pass the message on.


21 posted on 07/01/2011 11:18:38 AM PDT by Shady (The numbers do not lie.)
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To: truthguy

John Lennon was a lot of things, but stupid he wasn’t.


22 posted on 07/01/2011 11:22:56 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
John Lennon was a lot of things, but stupid he wasn’t.

Learn to read. I didn't say he was stupid. I said he wasn't all that bright. That's not the same thing as calling someone stupid.
23 posted on 07/01/2011 11:27:26 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy

Calling someone “not that bright” is a polite way of calling someone stupid. But you already knew that.


24 posted on 07/01/2011 11:29:59 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
Calling someone “not that bright” is a polite way of calling someone stupid. But you already knew that.

I disagree. I've always used that phrase to indicate that someone exaggerates their intelligence. In other words, that person thinks that they are a lot smarter than what they are. The person may be average but thinks that they are smarter than what they are.

For example, I think Obama is "not that bright". Yes, he's certainly not stupid. But I think you might just agree that he believes he's smarter than what he is. Besides, I'm not all that polite. If I thought Lennon was stupid, I'd say so.
25 posted on 07/01/2011 11:36:45 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy
Besides, I'm not all that polite.

Understatement of the day.
26 posted on 07/01/2011 11:38:11 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: HorowitzianConservative

The left REALLY gets PO’d when you mention Eldridge Cleaver became a GOP conservative.

They have erased him from history in a way that would make Stalin proud.


27 posted on 07/01/2011 11:39:57 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: JaguarXKE

I was lucky enough to live near John Lennon in the last few years of his life. He loved to walk the streets of NYC. How many times I saw him toodling around Bloomingdale’s! No body guards, no entourage, no nothin’. All changed with his death.


28 posted on 07/01/2011 11:46:34 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: SpaceBar
Besides, I'm not all that polite.

Understatement of the day.

You just might be falling into the category of "not that bright". And you are not that polite either. But I kinda like that.
29 posted on 07/01/2011 11:49:56 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Lumper20

>>And who cares what any artist thinks?<<

The LEFT does, and that’s the point.

Don’t waste this opportunity to show them that their hero turned conservative.

There will be a lot of posts yammering and beating their chests about how much they hate the hippie John Lennon, but they are very short-sighted and miss the point entirely.


30 posted on 07/01/2011 11:53:39 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: truthguy

>>The bottom line is that John Lennon was not all that bright and certainly was not very well educated. <<

You couldn’t have posted a more inaccurate statement. John Lennon was an extremely intelligent and articulate man, and all you have to do is read his writings or hear his interviews to ascertain that.

Wow. What planet have YOU been on?


31 posted on 07/01/2011 11:56:38 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: az_gila

>>One UK blog had a commment that it was just an assistant cashing in on Lennon’s name, it was just driven by dollars and it wasn’t true.
<<

Oh, well, if a BLOGGER who never met John Lennon said said it, it MUST be true.


32 posted on 07/01/2011 11:58:31 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
John Lennon met Ronald Reagan after their separate interviews on Monday night football back in 1974. Here it is:

Giffords recollection. Ronald Reagan was showing John Lennon the finer points of the game.

YouTube - John Lennon on Monday Night Football 12/9/1974

3 min - Oct 9, 2010 - Uploaded by NeilFraudstrong This is an interview that John gave on December 9th, 1974, during Monday Night Football. John is his usual humorous self and it is a ...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBapLm2Shcc

33 posted on 07/01/2011 12:06:36 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
You couldn’t have posted a more inaccurate statement. John Lennon was an extremely intelligent and articulate man, and all you have to do is read his writings or hear his interviews to ascertain that.

Wow. What planet have YOU been on?

Sure I could have posted a more inaccurate statement. I could have called you extremely intelligent and articulate. I remember John Lennon VERY well. He had an extremely exaggerated opinion of his own intelligence. Yes, as I've told SpaceCadet, he was NOT stupid. But if you listen to the comments he made they fell under the general category of "gobbledygook". His comments were mostly those of the catch phrases of the time. I can't remember anything he said that was particularly articulate. You would have to cite those.

Yes, he was a talented musician. I've said this. By today's music comparisons, he'd be a certified genius. But in terms of the understanding the issues of the day such as politics, economics and such he was "not all that bright".

Besides to prove what I've stated all have have to do is mention just two words:

Yoko Ono.

Game, set, and match to truthguy.
34 posted on 07/01/2011 12:19:56 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy

>>I can’t remember anything he said that was particularly articulate. You would have to cite those. <<

If you’re too lazy to do your own research, then so be it.

You said he was “not too bright” which IS the same as stupid. Your statement is idiotic. And your wit is just as dull.


35 posted on 07/01/2011 12:31:15 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: Lumper20
And who cares what any artist thinks?

Young people. They absorb lib stuff from them when they are young and it sticks with a lot of them forever. We should care about what artists think, too, so we can argue against them. They are libs generally and I DO care what they think so I can try to counteract them. Know thy enemy.

36 posted on 07/01/2011 12:35:29 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: truthguy

This guy you say is “not too bright” wrote some of the most beautiful lyrics and melodies ever known to man, which are still treasured over 40 years after most were recorded.

He was a founder and driving force behind of the greatest and most recognized music groups in world history.

Yet you say he was “not too bright.”

Get back to me when you’ve accomplished all he’s accomplished.


37 posted on 07/01/2011 12:37:38 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I was lucky enough to live near John Lennon in the last few years of his life. He loved to walk the streets of NYC. How many times I saw him toodling around Bloomingdale’s! No body guards, no entourage, no nothin’. All changed with his death.

So now he HAS bodyguards and an entourage?

And on another note...Haven’t we given Peace lots of chances?


38 posted on 07/01/2011 12:38:05 PM PDT by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
You said he was “not too bright” which IS the same as stupid. Your statement is idiotic. And your wit is just as dull.

You cannot even get the quote correct. If you are gonna use quotation marks, at least be accurate. Here's what I said in my original quote:

"The bottom line is that John Lennon was not all that bright and certainly was not very well educated."

Now you have stated that I said "not too bright" which is incorrect. You have misquoted me. I've gone through this with SpaceCadet and I'm getting tired of remedial teaching. The expression "not all that bright" is generally accepted to imply that someone has an exaggerated sense of their own intelligence. A person could be of average or even above average intelligence and still be "not all that bright". This is certainly true of Barack Obama.

As far as education is concerned, it cannot be denied that Lennon was not well educated at least formally. He didn't attend a university and didn't get good grades in school. Just google John Lennon & education and read for yourself.

I said repeatedly that he was a great lyricist and a great musician. What more need be said about this? I've given him great praise in this regard. Just go back and read what I've written. But I'm gonna repeat for the last time, because you have some artistic talent (and he had a lot) doesn't mean you are wise in the ways of the world.

I'm done with this topic. I'm tired of responding to ridiculous posts.
39 posted on 07/01/2011 12:54:51 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy

>>was not well educated at least formally. He didn’t attend a university and didn’t get good grades in school. Just google John Lennon & education and read for yourself.<<

Well I guess I’ll have the last word then. He was artistic, extremely so, and harnessed that into a phenomenal career. And that is “bright” by its definition.

He hated school. So what? And he had no university training. So what?

Neither did Rush Limbaugh. I guess you are gonna say Rush is “not too bright” too?

Bost men were phenomenal successes in their endeavors, and extremely “bright.”

Sorry, dude. You stepped in doo-doo. Your post was wrong. We’re just calling you out for it, that’s all.

Have a nice day, though.


40 posted on 07/01/2011 1:00:43 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Oh, well, if a BLOGGER who never met John Lennon said said it, it MUST be true.


I think

Oh, well, if a liberal/socialist BLOGGER who never met John Lennon said said it, it MUST be true.

might describe it better...:^)

41 posted on 07/01/2011 1:33:05 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: truthguy
Yes, he was a talented musician. I've said this. By today's music comparisons, he'd be a certified genius. But in terms of the understanding the issues of the day such as politics, economics and such he was “not all that bright”.


Yes, his maths teacher at Quarry Bank used to tell us if we couldn't pass in mathematics we should to learn to play the guitar...:^)

42 posted on 07/01/2011 1:47:02 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Right Wing Assault

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.


43 posted on 07/01/2011 7:40:15 PM PDT by Lumper20 (state)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I remember reading in his last major interview which was for Playboy magazine back in 1980 (hey they had that kind fo clout back then) and from what I remember he was bashing the liberals and hippies for misunderstanding him thru the years, for misinterpreting all that imagine stuff.

He said his whole message is to make your own life not live through others, nor expect answers from others which is exactly what liberals do. They select an idol (Obama) and expect that person to solve all their problems. He was really bashing them if I remember, and from what I later learned he told Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman that they were idiots. That they couldn’t speak never mind lead people, so he dropped out of that whole leftist scene.

He was never “liberal liberal”...Listen to that song “Revolution”...The song is about people who want to revolt then asking the question “Well WTF are you going to do if you win”? “We all want to see the plan”

The guy was an inredible incredible speaker and an incredible mind. Even at the age of 4 in 1964 I perked up when I heard him speak one day on the radio. He had what my brother says a “saxophone voice” just incredible harmonics coming out of his voice. Sinatra was another who had that kind of voice, and if Lennon chose to become a politician instead of a musician the guy obviously would have gone places.

What I got from him is although he did crazy stuff, he always fell back on basic logic and hammered it home. Like David Bowie once said “He cut through all the BS and explained the unexplainable in two words or less”.

It’s true. He is not telling us to embrace communism, he is just saying “Imagine”...Imagine if the world is like this. But then he also says it can never work because youd have to be a dreamer with everyone dreaming the same thing, thinking the same way which is impossible. Yes it’s naive thinking but then again it’s just a song.

Then he wrote songs like “Grow old with me” and “Beautiful boy”. And people to this day still think McCartney is an equal to this guy in terms of writing talent? Are you kidding me? Don’t they find it a bit odd that the second he split from Lennon his songwriting quality went from “Let it be” to “Biker like an icon”??

Here’s a rare vid ..Yes this is him......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4rBsbL0M6k&playnext=1&list=PL1BDF8281AD2C2C10


44 posted on 07/31/2011 4:41:12 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative; JoeProBono; a fool in paradise

Pity. Had he lived, he could of run for POTUS now. For a 3rd Party.


45 posted on 07/31/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

46 posted on 07/31/2011 4:46:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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