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Three students, hypnotized by principal, die
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Posted on 07/01/2011 2:31:16 PM PDT by mnehring

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To: tired&retired

I know zilch about hypnosis. I’ve read that a person under hypnosis can not be made to do anything which they would refuse to do while not under hypnosis, such as commit a crime, etc.
Is that true.


41 posted on 07/01/2011 3:57:40 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: mnehring

Nobody dies from being hypnotized. Something else happened here. Autopsy and chemical analysis is needed.


42 posted on 07/01/2011 4:06:21 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Talisker

One of the links above show that this guy was selling a book(?), or a video (?) through Amazon purposting to help young baseball players “focus”. This is really creepy.


43 posted on 07/01/2011 4:08:49 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I always wanted to be hypnotized and to learn to do it to myself.


44 posted on 07/01/2011 4:51:29 PM PDT by rickyc
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To: mnehring

“The Fourth Kind Part Two”

A high school principal uses hypnosis to open doors for evil spirits.

Kids will love the movie.


45 posted on 07/01/2011 4:52:28 PM PDT by pallis
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To: mnehring
They probably all ate at McDonald's, too.

Just saying.
Anybody else heard of the "silent witness" theory?

46 posted on 07/01/2011 6:29:26 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: rickyc
I always wanted to be hypnotized and to learn to do it to myself.

Most of my life I was a hypnotism skeptic, until we had group classes for several weeks to learn self-hynosis. I was sure I would fail.

I am no longer a skeptic.

47 posted on 07/01/2011 6:37:26 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: Publius6961

My Air Force boss went to the state fair 25 years ago in Arizona. He went on stage and within 15 minutes all of the “players” were doing the stupidest stuff. He turned into Huey Lewis. He showed us the tape. This guy had a very bashful demeanor in his private life but he got a kick out of all of it.


48 posted on 07/01/2011 7:01:38 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: thecabal
Maybe the kids saw the fnords.

Not funny.

49 posted on 07/01/2011 7:27:05 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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To: tired&retired

It does. I have a long-time friend who is a doctor and a hypnotherapist, and she’s one of the best in the region. She says that hypnosis is basically the process of hacking a human’s “operating system” down to the boot sector, and it’s no business for amateurs. This guy should be run out of town on a rail for his fatal folly.


50 posted on 07/01/2011 11:55:53 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: aruanan
“Kenney claims the students were happy to be hypnotized.

But maybe they weren't happy to have been hypnotized.”

Very good point. Especially for teenagers where peer pressure can destroy a fragile ego.

51 posted on 07/02/2011 3:34:16 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“It would have been ethically and morally wrong for the hypnotist to encourage bizarre behavior even for “fun.” You never know who you’re dealing with. “

I totally agree. That is why I would never perform stage hypnosis, even though I am trained to do it. I learned the techniques just to gain further understanding into consciousness patterns.


52 posted on 07/02/2011 3:39:07 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Scotsman will be Free
“I’ve read that a person under hypnosis can not be made to do anything which they would refuse to do while not under hypnosis, such as commit a crime, etc.”

“Is that true?”

That is not true. There are different techniques for hypnotizing difficult subjects who say they cannot be hypnotized. But anyone can be hypnotized.

I will say that it is much easier to hypnotize someone who is willing.

Once hypnotized, the depth of the person determines their willingness to follow your suggestions. These suggestions can be followed, even in post hypnotic state.

53 posted on 07/02/2011 3:46:59 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“One of the links above show that this guy was selling a book(?), or a video (?) through Amazon purposting to help young baseball players “focus”. This is really creepy.”

A friend of mine who is a professional hypnotist works with professional sports teams to increase ability. It works very well. He has worked with most of the New York City pro teams.


54 posted on 07/02/2011 3:50:38 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: coydog
It does. I have a long-time friend who is a doctor and a hypnotherapist, and she’s one of the best in the region. She says that hypnosis is basically the process of hacking a human’s “operating system” down to the boot sector, and it’s no business for amateurs. This guy should be run out of town on a rail for his fatal folly”

Very true. That is one of the best descriptions I have ever heard.

Having an MD or PhD does not guarantee that a person is a good hypnotist. Even Freud was a bad hypnotist. He ran into the same problem as many bad therapists. Using hypnosis, it is easy to program false memories. Many daughters falsely remembered being molested by their fathers after bad hypnosis by therapists using directive questioning.

55 posted on 07/02/2011 3:55:41 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Thanks for that info. I have another question for you.
“Once hypnotized, the depth of the person determines their willingness to follow your suggestions.”
What do you mean by the depth of the person?
Thanks.


56 posted on 07/02/2011 4:36:07 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

There are many levels, depending upon which scale you use. It’s like cutting a pie. How many poieces do you want?

Commonly, there are six levels recognized. They are:

1) Eye catalepsy First level

2) Arm and hand catalepsy Second level Small muscle group catalepsy

3) All muscle groups catalepsy

Aphasia (name or number block)

4) All of the above phenomena +

Analgesia (light anesthesia)

Positive olfactory and gustatory hallucinations

Amnesia through strong direct suggestion Pseudo-age regression

Automatic writing

5) All of the above +

Post-hypnotic amnesia without suggestion Anesthesia

Positive hallucinations of all sensory perception

Age regression

6) All of the above +

Negative sensory hallucinations

Anyone can reach stage 5 or 6, which are the somambolistic levels. It just takes some extra work with many people.


57 posted on 07/02/2011 4:43:43 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Thanks.


58 posted on 07/02/2011 5:48:27 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: mnehring
Big Brother screwing with kids minds more than just normal indoctrination.

Could have been screwing with more than their minds.

59 posted on 07/02/2011 5:51:44 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: mnehring
Ubama hypnotized voters and a country died.


60 posted on 07/02/2011 5:57:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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