do I really have to say it???
Posted on 07/02/2011 8:08:27 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
In a response filed yesterday to a federal judge’s order May 11, an FBI official offered no denials about the existence of video images captured by more than 20 surveillance cameras operating prior to 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, in the vicinity of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. Instead, he explained that officials at the bureau merely cannot find the tapes and raised the possibility that they “might have been misfiled and thus could be located somewhere other than in the OKBOMB file (though it would be impossible to know where).”
The order, issued by Judge Clark Waddoup in the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah, Central Division, stemmed from the bureau’s failure to comply with a three-year-old Freedom of Information Act request submitted by Salt Lake City lawyer Jesse Trentadue, a man on a quest for answers related to the Oklahoma City Bombing and the death of his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, who died under suspicious circumstances several months later while in custody at the U.S. Bureau of Prisons Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City.
“There is no affidavit from someone within the FBI stating that the tapes do not exist,” he wrote, adding that FBI officials couldn’t make such a claim, because it would conflict with three sworn affidavits, the contents of which had already been made public in a post published April 7. In that post, I shared documents Trentadue had shared with me that contain fodder provided by three people — OKC police officer Don Browning, private security specialist Bradford Cooley and FBI Agent Ricardo Ojeda — that sheds light on the FBI’s response to the FOIA request.
Browning noted in a declaration to the court that he and other non-federal rescuers were ordered to leave the Murrah Building soon after the bomb exploded despite the need to move quickly in hopes of locating and, hopefully, saving victims trapped by the blast. In addition, he wrote the following:
That same morning, I observed men wearing jackets with “FBI” printed on the back removing the surveillance video cameras from the exterior of the Murrah Federal Building. I thought this was part of the FBI’s evidence gathering or “chain of custody” procedures since those exterior cameras would have shown and recorded delivery of the bomb in a Ryder truck that morning as well as the person or persons who exited that truck. I knew from my training and experience as a police officer that an investigation of the bombing and prosecution of those involved would require not only preserving the videotapes of the event but also require preserving the cameras and tape decks by which those videotapes were made. Nevertheless, I did think it odd that the FBI’s removal of those cameras was taking place while many people were still trapped alive in the rubble of the Murrah Federal Building and so many of us were working desperately to find them.
Cooley’s declaration, in which he outlined his knowledge of the surveillance systems at the Murrah Building, included the following hard-to-ignore observations:
From my knowledge of the video surveillance system in place at the Murrah Federal Building, an my presence on scene just after the bomb exploded, I have no doubt that the two external cameras on the Northwest and Northeast corners of the Building would certainly have recorded the entire event. Those cameras would even have recorded the delivery of the bomb to the Murrah Federal Building in a Ryder truck and, most importantly, those cameras would also have recorded everyone who exited that truck prior to the explosion. Because of their distance from the Murrah Federal Building, ADT’s offices were not destroyed or otherwise damaged in the bombing, which means that the videotapes should still exist.
In a sworn affidavit dated May 21, 2001, Ojeda outlined how the FBI handled information they did not want to see brought up in court:
The FBI also kept “zero files,” which were reports containing information that the FBI would not generally want disclosed to the defense and which were kept separate from a specific case file. These files were kept internally within the Bureau and typically were not turned over to the prosecution or the defense. Files would be assigned numbers bases on the type of offense or investigation involved, for example, a bank robbery would be assigned a particular number. A letter A after that number would mean highest importance. A zero after that number would mean that the report should go into the “zero” file.
On the last page of his affidavit, Ojeda added the statement below: Although there are many very good FBI agents, there are also FBI agents, including some who worked on the Oklahoma City bombing case, who are willing to subvert the truth in order to protect fellow agents.
In addition to the conflicts surfacing between the FBI’s stance and statements made in the affidavits above, it appears FBI officials are playing a shell game with Jesse Trentadue and the judge.
Jesse Trentadue pointed out that, for the first time in three years, the FBI said that all Oklahoma City Bombing-related evidence and documents are in a warehouse somewhere in Oklahoma City. In addition, he noted that bureau officials misrepresented the purpose of the S-Drive before the court.
“This was the time and the place for FBI officials to come forward with evidence of no tapes, but they did not,” said Jesse Trentadue during an interview Friday about the matter. “They are, in plain English, in contempt of the court’s order.”
After the explosion (implosion?) the FBI show up and remove the exterior security cameras, the video machine and all tapes while people are still injured and trapped in the building.
Now the video evidence is ALL MISSING !? Apparently NOT given to the defense at trial !?
How is this done,Not like a memo for the coffee vendor ,this is of importance,Historical importance.
Well, Hillary does have a habit of leaving files on coffee tables and such.
Whoa, this is more than disturbing.
Can’t have a video of a devout member of the ROP from Iraq shown now could we.
OKC Bombing coverup conspiracy? Hell yes.
do I really have to say it???
in a world so bizarre, that the Onion is obsolete,
you have found something even more shocking that usual.
one would assume that video evidence, of the actual terrorists, would have been presented at the trial.
yet apparently it wasn’t ?
(adding to many other bizarre things about this...)
“From my knowledge of the video surveillance system in place at the Murrah Federal Building, an my presence on scene just after the bomb exploded, I have no doubt that the two external cameras on the Northwest and Northeast corners of the Building would certainly have recorded the entire event. Those cameras would even have recorded the delivery of the bomb to the Murrah Federal Building in a Ryder truck and, most importantly, those cameras would also have recorded everyone who exited that truck prior to the explosion. Because of their distance from the Murrah Federal Building, ADT’s offices were not destroyed or otherwise damaged in the bombing, which means that the videotapes should still exist. “
Insane isn`t it ?
No one has seen the video evidence that exists(ed) of the truck driving up, occupants getting out and the explosion(implosion?) itself !?
WTF!?
Misfiled.
How convenient! [/s]
clinton’s “fast and furious”? except he got away with it.
If the judge had any real cajones, he would impose a $100,000 per day fine on the FBI until the material was "found".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBQd9tDzHAc
Paul Schiffer interviews Jayna Davis - hour one
I LOST Doug from Upland’s interview!
I heard they had enough evidence to arrest Mcvey before hand,I have long felt the Oklahoma bombing might be a case of grandstanding gone horribly wrong, did he change targets at the last minute ? only the government knows
I heard and felt the Murrah building explosion that killed 2 of my friends. On my police scanner I heard the APB for 3 middle eastern looking men driving north at a high rate of speed on highway 35 in a beige/brown late model chevy pickup. The FBI later pretended that such an APB never existed.
Why they didn't release the videos immediately (at least to help the public identify John doe #2, who DID exist) always troubled me.
I am not kidding, I am nauseous reading this article.
That seems more plausible as no terrorist group that I know of has taken credit for the bombing.
What I find very disturbing is the change in attitude. During McVeigh’s trial, they were insistent that no such video existed. Now, McVeigh is dead and the attitude is “Yeah, we have it but don’t know where it is.”
Now I wonder what really happened at OKC. Our Government has lost any and all credibility.
The FBI has been a hack organization of the Democratic party for a long time. I never beleived in the conspiracy theory of the Kennedy assination but now I ‘m no longer sure that is correct. The clincher for me was the Vince Foster suicide and the absolute BS investigation. There was very little pretense that it was no a cover up.
We are loosing our country very fast and we have some very powerfull enemies.
And they executed mcvey without the video evidence of him getting out of the truck?
It is not a party event. It is a shadow government event.
The Feds knew it was going to happen, that is why there were no FBI or ATF agents killed in the bombing. They were all out somehere.
Clinton needed an excuse to go after the rapidly growing militia movement in the USA. By tying McVey to having visited one militia for one time was all he needed. Didn’t seem strange that McVey was executed so quickly after trail. It ofter takes twenty years to get someone executed but McVey got it within a few montha to 1 year.
BOOKMARKED!!!
This was the administration that tipped off the media about the ATF's upcoming dog and pony show at Waco
If the truth ever comes out I believe we will find out that McVey went somewhere other then expected
Read the book "The Third Terrorist" by Janya Davis.
This concerns me in that ..all evidence/documents located in a warehouse somewhere in OKC. Recall the St.L Army Personnel Records center fire in 1973. Many WW-2 vets lost all record of their service. Others, partial loss. Just sayin’...
Your shadow government at work.
This is on a par with the Flight 800 government lie-fest.
How convenient! [/s]
Right up there with "The dog ate my homework!" Really!
Regards,
GtG
On the other hand, "But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design ... "
It's hard to believe conspiracies exist, or that secrets can be kept. But they can. And there just seems to be so much, so often, so widespread . . . Once upon a time, long ago and far away we used to give the benefit of the doubt.
Oh, not the “old lost, probably misfiled” excuse, again.
About as hoary as the “dog ate my homework” excuse.
Whatever the facts, the response was all out of proportion.
There seems to be no balance anymore. Something is seriously broken.
There seems to be no balance anymore. Something is seriously broken.
Oops wrong thread.
Judge Clark Waddoup should charge the top 100 FBI officials,the entire FBI div in OK, and every records supervisor with contempt of court. This allows for damn near infinite incarceration. Further he should direct mobilization of US Marshall’s Service to seize ALL FBI document repositories, computers etc. Oh contempt charges against WJC, all WH aides, Janet Reno, ATF, anyone on the edges.
A fellow can dream big, can’t he?
McVey, on his own part, seemed strangely copacetic with going swiftly into that good night. Mounted a perfunctory defense and did not press appeals. Perhaps he intended to perish in the initially planned bombing.
The “missing” videos would show cell members who are inconsistent with the official narrative (e.g a Filipino Muslim and some others not previously known to the public).
The videos would probably also show a secondary explosion caused when an illegal military weapons cache that was located in the building cooked off.
I would expect copies of some of the missing videos will be found - in the storage unit of a retired FBI agent after following the instructions from a posthumous note
My personal investigations re OKBOMB convinced me that the very last place to look for honesty, truth and justice is the F B I.
Prior to Waco, I was fooled into believing that the image of the Feebs promulgated in the TV series, "The FBI in Peace and War" was factual. OKC forever destroyed that misplaced hero-worship... :-(
This videotape fiasco (once again) proves that the FBI is institutionally unable (or, worse, unwilling) to maintain a chain of custody of evidence. Without that, what do they have to offer?
Bm for later
No cover up of what REALLY went down in Oklahoma city, nope none.
Is there any reason to believe the Feds tell us about anything at this point?
FBI, BATF, State Dept. ETC. ETC. all are complicite, dirty and covering up this and all kinds of other crap.
One questions anything and you are a tin foil hat nut?
The airliber shot down over Long Island, you believe a fuel tank malfunction took her down you must also think O.J. was truely innocent.
Great video! Thanks, Race. Everyone should listen to the interview. I had to google to find Part 2 of the interview, but for those interested in it :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2170592571340868291#
But nonetheless, us old geezers still have it a lot tougher than you younger ladies and gentlemen. We remember the nation of the 50's and were taught history that was valiant and watch this nation grow into a world leader through hard work, truth, justice and the "American Way!!!"
Now, all that is being "PUNKED" by a bunch of spoiled pukers!!!
During the late 80s and the 90s, there were many tiny little mentions in papers of individuals or 2 or 3 people being hunted down in middle America and killed in shoot outs, and of course the house, or building always burnt to the ground, my brother is a compulsive reader like me, and saw those little 2 inch mentions also, it was puzzling and troubling, and of course a mystery, they seemed to be related to taxes, or “right wing” politics, but it was never explained well, and there was almost never a survivor to interview.
When I moved to the upper Mid West during that period, whenever I was around some beer drinking, conservative, good old boys, I would try to ask them what was going on with those under reported stories, and it seemed to me that they were afraid of the topic, I am convinced that I saw fear and fearful confusion in that region.
It looked to me as though having taken total control of the big cities, and the coasts, that the federal government wanted to send a message to middle America, ‘that we are here too, and we will squash this talk radio, gun owning, conservative fight back, and here are the cut off heads of your neighbors to show that our power is geographically total.
It seemed that after OK city and Waco, and Ruby Ridge, as state legislators started fighting back, that the Federal Government backed off, and all those little, mysterious, shoot outs (with the scene burning to the ground), ended as well.
OKC-Bombing FYI noteworthy ping
islamist operation
Your comments were extraordinarily insightful and appreciated. For me, Waco was the turning point. Having seen the lies propaganda, and violence FedGov was willing to employ up close and personal, I realized that this really wasn't the country I'd grown up loving as a child and young man, and that it probably had not been since before my lifetime.
I've learned that when anything really big happens, to watch for the 'tells' that always seem to accompany these events. One of many in the OKC event was that the governor of the state "found" the axle with the serial number that linked it to the truck. We're supposed to just accept whatever FedGov feeds us without question no matter how improbable what they are telling is us. If you express skepticism or cognitive dissonance with what you are being asked to swallow, you're ridiculed as a nutjob.
IMO, at best, OKC was an example of an FBI sting operation gone horribly wrong. At worst it was a case of domestic terrorism for partisan political gain. Either is a pretty damning indictment of the state of our current political system.
Now, lest one be tempted to express some kind of partisan indignation towards democrats concerning the coverup of what actually occurred at OKC, it would be wise to keep in mind that President Bush had 8 years to Bring the facts to light, and perpetrators to justice, yet he did nothing. FedGov and the political class always protect their own. Further, I would ask your attention to be brought briefly back to the days immediately following 9/11, and recall that FedGov reported discovering Mohammed Atta's passport amongst the debris in the towers just days if not hours (I can't recall the exact timeline), after the attack. Of course, to even mention such a thing means you're one of the loony 'truthers', not that you're just expressing an honest 'WTF?' about insanely improbable events.
Sadly, we've become pre-programmed obedient sheep, that can't question the actions and motivations of those who hold an inordinate amount of power over us, largely because if we really were to admit to ourselves exactly how things truly are, we'd have to rethink our pledge of allegiance and perhaps many other things.
Video recordings is one thing that today’s law enforcement should not be permitted to touch in any form or fashion. For whatever reason, their “How to handle evidence” course when it pertains to videos just didn’t penetrate deeply enough for retention.
I cannot help but think of 9/11 and the Pentagon. 1 1/2 seconds of the sorriest video is displayed as evidence.
If I was this judge I would be tempted to bring in every retired agent who ever worked on this case that I could find for testimony. Start seeing if you can’t get somebody on perjury.
A little dose of their own medicine would be good for them
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>>...if we really were to admit to ourselves exactly how things truly are, we’d have to rethink our pledge of allegiance and perhaps many other things.<<<
Can’t have anyone rethinking their loyalties, can we? Might raise some new questions and put somebody in prison.
I dont’ have it either. Man, it’s been a year or so since I spoke to her. Jayna had the story and the truth nailed but those with something to lose built a brick wall in the way.
What happened to the arrest in Quincy, Mass., of John Doe #1 less than a year ago?
The FBI couldn't because the CIA had them. Their guys in FBI jackets grabbed them.
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