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Somewhere in there is an idea that I like. Maybe it's time that the blue counties and red counties went their separate ways.
1 posted on 07/02/2011 6:48:02 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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I’ve said many times that the albatross would be lifted from our necks if we could somehow boot San Fran, LA, and San Jose out of the Union.


2 posted on 07/02/2011 6:49:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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This I would LOVE to see happen. Cali needs to be split. Reduce the power of LA/Frisco libs and the problem practically solves itself.

Bet the idea would have the support of every red state in congress too.


4 posted on 07/02/2011 6:52:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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I have proposed that several states split for years. Western Pennsylvania should secede from Philadelphia and that area, Eastern Washington should secede from Seattle/Tacoma, Eastern Oregon from Portland, and several other states dominated by a large city full of liberals and unions.


5 posted on 07/02/2011 6:52:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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81 replies:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2742815/posts


6 posted on 07/02/2011 6:55:38 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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Be better if the blue states and red states went their separate ways.


7 posted on 07/02/2011 6:56:56 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Is it time to cue the Ken Burns Civil War music?


9 posted on 07/02/2011 6:59:01 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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If this happens, I’d seriously considering moving back to SoCal.


10 posted on 07/02/2011 6:59:18 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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http://www.supjeffstone.org/staff/jeffstone.asp

The left will prove how indispensable conservatives are to their very existence by ridiculing and fighting this.


11 posted on 07/02/2011 6:59:24 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Biden- No representation for Gopers, Obama-Gopers must get in the back of the bus.)
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I understand the desire, but I have to point out that Counties don't have the standing to succeed from states. States succeeded from the Union because they are/were sovereign states who joined the union. Counties are not sovereign, they were formed BY the State.

Sorry, I hope my legal OCD doesn't put a damper on things!

12 posted on 07/02/2011 7:00:36 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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The nine Marxist Bay Area counties would be dead in a week if Eastern California counties cut off their water and hydro generated electricity.

California's largest economic product is agriculture, and the nine produce only part of the wine production and little else.

13 posted on 07/02/2011 7:00:53 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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In San Bernardino County, everything north of the Cajon Pass
into the new state it’s red to light red and the area to the south is a liberal solid blue POS.


14 posted on 07/02/2011 7:01:32 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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So, would that make it 58 states?
18 posted on 07/02/2011 7:03:47 PM PDT by moovova (That laser-like focus was just a sharp stick in the eye.)
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Jeff Stone is a smarmy politician with a history.


19 posted on 07/02/2011 7:04:07 PM PDT by RummyChick
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Too bad it would never happen I for one would move to San Diego in a heart beat. I bet big business would want to return to Cal (souther Cal).


20 posted on 07/02/2011 7:05:08 PM PDT by VicVega
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Good idea. If they succeed in ceceding, some of the other counties will join them—Shasta and Siskiyou Counties, for example. Then they can give the rest of the State to Mexico—if Mexico will take it, which is doubtful—or to China—or, more appropriately, to North Korea. Or they can just shove it into the ocean.


24 posted on 07/02/2011 7:07:34 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The Tea Party: La Resistance)
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Put the Capitol in Fresno.


33 posted on 07/02/2011 7:17:16 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Go for it! Except you’ll need to build a damn big fence to keep all the Mexicans out - the ones who live in L.A. Maybe y’all can just build a long bridge from the Mexican border to the L.A. Coliseum and just let them all pass through.


41 posted on 07/02/2011 7:30:34 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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A couple maps to show roughly how the counties vote:


45 posted on 07/02/2011 7:48:57 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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Periodically, there has been talk from California liberals about dividing into North California and South California to create two liberal states. They simmer about only having two senators for the nation’s most populous state.

Don’t know the likelihood of any of this.


47 posted on 07/02/2011 7:51:27 PM PDT by Will88
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The interest in secession is understandable. First of all, with about 40 million people, California is a very large state. In terms of population, it is about twice the size as the next largest state. Secondly, the state is dominated, but not completely, by one political party, leaving the members of the other party disaffected. And, third, the disaffected citizen of the states live in identifiable regions of the state, such as the proposed “South California.”

The proposal, however, addresses only the concerns of the disaffected citizens of the southern part of the state. A comprehensive proposal would seek to serve the interests of all the citizens of the state. A logical way to do this would be to split three states, not one, from the present state.

The first, which could be named South California, would include the counties to the south and west of Los Angeles (Imperial, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego counties) (these are not exactly the ones included in Jeff Stone’s proposal).

The second would be the single county of Los Angeles.

The third would be the counties comprising the metropolitan area of San Francisco (Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Napa, San Benito, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano and Sonoma).

And, California, still with its capital at Sacramento, would comprise the remaining counties.

The four states would range in population from 8 to 11 million people, making each of them comparable in size to the largest states excepting Texas and Florida. Two of the states (California and South California) would have a mix of urban and rural areas, as most states have. Two would be a new type of state (for the U.S.): metropolitan areas that double as states. (Other federal republics of the world feature metropolitan areas as states.)

In terms of politics, the states of California and South California would be competitive as between Republicans and Democrats. The states of Los Angeles and San Francisco would be so heavily Democratic that it is possible that the two main parties of these states would be the Democrats and a left-wing party such as the Greens.

The important thing, politically, is that there would only be a relatively small number of citizens who would be disaffected by the political choices available to them. Furthermore, within each state, politicians will have to be more pragmatic since the prospect of being subsidized by a larger entity will no longer exist.

Now, here’s the kicker: Under the U.S. Constitution, new states can be formed out of old only on the petition of the legislature of the old state and the acceptance of the U.S. Congress. While I doubt that the legislature of California would ever agree to a dismemberment of the state, the people of California can act directly as the legislature through a citizens initiative.


50 posted on 07/02/2011 8:05:45 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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