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Would the Founding Fathers be proud of the country today? (Poll to freep)
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Posted on 07/02/2011 7:22:40 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Currently, 79% say no.

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1 posted on 07/02/2011 7:22:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

They would be appalled with what we have done with their beautiful form of government.


2 posted on 07/02/2011 7:24:53 PM PDT by ully2
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To: Red in Blue PA

They rebelled against a government that isn’t near as oppressive as ours.


3 posted on 07/02/2011 7:29:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

YES (397 responses)
20%

NO (1561 responses)
80%

1958 total responses


4 posted on 07/02/2011 7:30:52 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They rebelled over high taxes and excessive regulation....


5 posted on 07/02/2011 7:34:12 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Proud? Hell no! They’d take us all to the wood shed for what we’ve allowed to happen. They’re rolling over in their graves in disgust and horror.


6 posted on 07/02/2011 7:34:21 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Red in Blue PA

We are now slaves to an oppressive, overreaching and overcontrolling government. Who would possibly think they would be proud of this?


7 posted on 07/02/2011 7:34:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Red in Blue PA

QUESTION OF THE DAY

TODAY’S QUESTION: Would the Founding Fathers be proud of America today? (Poll closes Tuesday at 4 p.m.)

YES (398 responses)

20%

NO (1592 responses)

80%

1990 total responses

(Results not scientific)


8 posted on 07/02/2011 7:35:23 PM PDT by piroque (Southern born and Raised,)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Don’t even ask what they would call the current President. What they called King George would be extremely kind in comparison.


9 posted on 07/02/2011 7:38:14 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX Nov 18, 2010

Put me in charge . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for
Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans,
blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want
steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we’ll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get
tats and piercings, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your
“home” will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be
inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or
you will report to a “government” job. It may be cleaning the roadways of
trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We
will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo
and speakers and put that money toward the “common good.”

Before you write that I’ve violated someone’s rights, realize that all of
the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before
you say that this would be “demeaning” and ruin their “self-esteem,”
consider that it wasn’t that long ago that taking someone else’s money for
doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people’s mistakes we should at least
attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system
rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will
voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t
welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.


10 posted on 07/02/2011 7:38:47 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They would have thought the Confederates were right in secession. They would of thought Lincoln was a monster.


11 posted on 07/02/2011 7:39:11 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dynachrome

“Freep this poll” ping.


12 posted on 07/02/2011 7:41:36 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Upon revival, Mr. Franklins first words were “ Dude, where’s my republic?”


13 posted on 07/02/2011 7:42:18 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Not on abortion, taxation, debt, judicial activism, and fascism/cronyism. But no doubt proud and sympathetic on may other events and issues.


14 posted on 07/02/2011 7:42:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They would puke upon seeing the disgusting mess this land has become.


15 posted on 07/02/2011 7:45:47 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They would be ashamed of the inhabitants. But proud of how much better they made the world for a short period of time. Globalization destroyed what they did. We are entering a new dark ages.


16 posted on 07/02/2011 7:46:02 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I think the Founding Fathers would support the TEA PARTY.


17 posted on 07/02/2011 7:46:34 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Currently 81% say no.


18 posted on 07/02/2011 7:47:13 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Democratic Party - The party of genocide.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Are you kidding? They would have been up in arms (and I don’t mean figuratively) decades ago.


19 posted on 07/02/2011 7:47:46 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: yldstrk
Will that fit on the back of a T Shirt?
20 posted on 07/02/2011 7:50:48 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

81% NO now!!


21 posted on 07/02/2011 7:54:14 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They’d be horrified.


22 posted on 07/02/2011 7:58:04 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Red in Blue PA

YES (559 responses)
24%
NO (1769 responses)
76%
2328 total responses


23 posted on 07/02/2011 7:59:46 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... Cult of the DAMNED!!!)
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To: central_va
Or maybe:

Well Mrs. Powell, I guess you couldn't.

24 posted on 07/02/2011 8:04:09 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

If the Founding Fathers were Marx and Engels, yes.
Jefferson and the Good Guys, not so much.


25 posted on 07/02/2011 8:07:33 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They must be doing breakdancing in there graves over how this country’s government has become.


26 posted on 07/02/2011 8:11:03 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A gentle dissent, if I might. I think the Founders would be absolutely stunned. It may be that I'm in a more optimistic mood than might be justified by current challenges but it is, after all, nearly Independence Day and time for a little reflection over what those men thought they were planting and what has blossomed.

The America of their day consisted of three million souls. That's it. Half of the continent was owned by European powers who felt that these ridiculous colonies would, in short order, find it too difficult to survive in a cynical and violent world without the parental protection of an established power. They had no historically valid reason to think otherwise.

Take a look, for just a moment. Lay aside the rightful outrage at a federal government that has, after all, done no other than follow the age-old pattern of central governments since Sumeria. Postpone the resentments of a civil war that could have turned out so much worse, and if you don't believe that, look at the Thirty Years' War for what happens when the whole thing is not resolved albeit grudgingly, but lingers, taking the continent into a bitter maelstrom of blood and vengeance until there is little left to fight over but the corpses. Hold your peace for just a moment and imagine what you'd say to three men you meet in a rural tavern, one tall, with bad teeth, another somewhat smaller with flaming red hair and a third, truly tiny, with pince-nez glasses on his nose. Washington, Jefferson, Madison.

"Sirs," you'd have to say, "In my time there is one country in the world who is a giant of three hundred million souls, possessing half a continent, whose navy spans the world's oceans and whose army is the envy of nations, whose economy and culture shifts the rest."

"And has America protected her citizens against this giant, and if so, how?" asks the red-haired fellow.

"America is that giant. We have sinned, we are fools, we have stumbled and blundered and squandered our birthright of liberty, we have broken and despoiled the land, brutalized innocent peoples, erred through both noble and ignoble intent. We are the least of men standing on the shoulders of our betters."

"Really, sir?" says the little guy. "And can you say, then, that you are proud to be an American?"

"I would die for our country, sir," you reply, and it's the truth.

"Well, then," says the tall one. "Maybe the whole thing wasn't a waste of time after all."

Happy Independence Day, all.

27 posted on 07/02/2011 8:13:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Red in Blue PA

I suspect many of them would be in the streets, in jail or dead by now.


28 posted on 07/02/2011 8:14:50 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: yldstrk

Exactly right on all counts.


29 posted on 07/02/2011 8:17:25 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Billthedrill

Great post, Bill.

I would hope that if the Founders could see today’s America, that, with their extraordinarily keen insight, they’d see that the flame of freedom they ignited so long ago, still burns within so many of our hearts.

Seeing that, I would hope that their minds would be at peace in the knowledge that we will, in time, restore this country to its full promise. Even if we have to water that tree, to do so.


30 posted on 07/02/2011 8:39:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In all fairness, from their perspective, you might see some mixed reviews.

1) You freed the what!? Some would be thrilled with emancipation, and others would not be. They would most likely be sad that we fought a civil war over it.

2) They would be equally bemused that we have neither figured out the whole federalism and anti-federalism debate; nor that we have still not figured out a good means of funding the federal government.

3) How big is the US military? How on Earth can you afford that?

4) How is democracy doing around the world? (They would be ecstatic with the results so far. Jefferson would be very disappointed with Liberia, however. Still dealing with Barbary pirates, I see.)

5) America flew men to the Moon and they came back alive? KICKASS!

6) You’ll have to pardon Benjamin, he gets this way around young ladies. We’ll go look at the young ladies in a minute, Ben. You are acting like a puppy. What is a bikini?, some type of fancy dress? Settle down there, Ben, before you throw a shoe!


31 posted on 07/02/2011 8:40:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kickass Conservative
Will that fit on the back of a T Shirt?

Someone already did....


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32 posted on 07/02/2011 8:45:14 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Hell, no. They would be aghast at the monstrous size and abuses of the federal government on one hand, and nauseated beyond words at the sickeningly grotesque culture of sleaze and naval-gazing self-absorption on the other.


33 posted on 07/02/2011 8:48:28 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Red in Blue PA

Would they be proud? In some ways, I think yes. But in some very important ways, no, not at all.

The income tax especially would gall them, and how high those taxes are on even ordinary folks. I don’t think they’d be happy with the 16th and 17th Amendments at all.

I don’t think they’d be pleased with how our country has become the world’s policeman, and how the modern presidency and executive branch have become ridiculously massive in scope.

They would be appalled at the debt we’re in, let alone the deficit.

They would hate the United Nations and how we are slowly losing sovereignty to European/Leftist supranational organizations.


34 posted on 07/02/2011 9:06:50 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Gator113

Losing ground:

YES (569 responses)

22%

NO (2021 responses)

78%

2590 total responses


35 posted on 07/02/2011 9:24:59 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: Dick Bachert

“I suspect many of them would be in the streets, in jail or dead by now.”

Profiled by the Stasi, I mean the Department of Homeland Security, that is for SURE!


36 posted on 07/02/2011 9:27:47 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: yldstrk

That has my vote.


37 posted on 07/02/2011 9:37:10 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Nope.


38 posted on 07/02/2011 9:45:29 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (A Movement that does not move cannot call itself a Movement.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

No is blowing yes out of the water, and with damn good reason.

The Founders would be appalled!


39 posted on 07/02/2011 9:55:47 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained”….President George Washington…1st inaugural address


40 posted on 07/02/2011 10:01:37 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sorry the link had so much bs couldn’t make it to the info

I will trust my fellow freepers to report #’s

TT


41 posted on 07/02/2011 10:23:50 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

77% no.


42 posted on 07/02/2011 10:46:21 PM PDT by KittyKares (.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Things they would be delighted about:

-The Washington Monument
-Slavery no longer divides the States
-Our Navy and our Army is the most powerful in the World – not the British
-The original Five Freedoms have not been erased, when many of them at the time doubted they would last.

Things that would make them sick:

-Our Schools treating God as an enemy, and not teaching American History as it should.
-Unions
-Our National Dept, and who we owe it to
-Big Government
-Salaries of our representatives
-Cost of elections
-Entitlements
-The original Five Freedoms being chiseled away


43 posted on 07/02/2011 11:07:47 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

They would be disgusted in us, for allowing what has happened and for not doing anything about it yet.


44 posted on 07/03/2011 12:42:59 AM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: Windflier

45 posted on 07/03/2011 12:47:35 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: yldstrk

If Free Republic had a “Like and Share” button, I’d have this on my Facebook page.

Excellent! Excellent! Excellent!!!


46 posted on 07/03/2011 1:26:20 AM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: TexasTransplant

YES (656 responses)

23%

NO (2202 responses)

77%

2858 total responses


47 posted on 07/03/2011 1:29:00 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: ully2

But Michelle is finally proud to be an American!


48 posted on 07/03/2011 2:00:28 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: yldstrk

“Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we’ll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get
tats and piercings, then get a job.”

No. No forced sterilization.

That stinks of “Lebensunwertsleben” - the life not worth living.


49 posted on 07/03/2011 2:08:05 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They would be asking why we havent taken arms against the regime. Then they would be asking why they went thru all the trouble to begin with if we werent going to protect the freedoms they gave up so much for.


50 posted on 07/03/2011 4:16:35 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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