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tea party tribune ^ | 7/3/11 | jim funkhouser

Posted on 07/03/2011 4:28:11 AM PDT by HMS Surprise

Fact-checkers are welcome to peruse my post titled Natural-born Citizens if they at any time doubt my previous sentiments concerning the “birther” issue…

I have never relished the notion that a sitting President, duly-elected, would ever be bounced from office because of something beyond his or her control, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore facts. Ignoring the facts is exactly what has delivered this nation to the brink of disaster.

Before the release of Obama’s alleged long-form birth certificate I was of the opinion that the President was on much firmer ground legally if such a document was never released.

Why? Because, dear comrade, much more germane to the establishment of “natural-born” bona fides is the citizenship of the parents, not the place of birth. Since Obama’s likely father was Barack Sr., it was probable that the long-form birth certificate would actually establish once and for all that Barack Jr., although still probably a U.S. citizen, was ineligible to be President.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barrysoetoro; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; eligibility; fraud; naturalborncitizen; obama; palin; usurper
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1 posted on 07/03/2011 4:28:17 AM PDT by HMS Surprise
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To: HMS Surprise
...the establishment of “natural-born” bona fides is the citizenship of the parents, not the place of birth.
Then, that ELIMINATES Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal from ever being Prez or VP. Their parents were NOT citizens even though Marco was born in Miami and Bobby in Baton Rouge.
2 posted on 07/03/2011 4:42:17 AM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: no dems

what’s your point?


3 posted on 07/03/2011 4:55:31 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

My point is, many of us need to stop pushing Marco and/or Bobby for a VP spot if they are not eligible. I firmly believe that whomever wins Florida in 2012 wins the Presidency and I felt that we needed Marco Rubio on the Ticket in the VP spot to accomplish that. But, if he’s not eligible, it’s a moot point.


4 posted on 07/03/2011 4:59:28 AM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: no dems
So? ....Jindal and Rubio are not eligible. Lots of citizens aren't.
5 posted on 07/03/2011 5:02:06 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: HMS Surprise

So far the author of the article has not mentioned that that document posted was a crudely made FORGERY!!! ( Yeah! I am shouting.)


6 posted on 07/03/2011 5:04:20 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Did you read my Post #4? The issue is closed.


7 posted on 07/03/2011 5:05:31 AM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: HMS Surprise

Okay...The author does mention that the White House posted document is a forgery.


8 posted on 07/03/2011 5:06:27 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

So far the author of the article has not mentioned that that document posted was a crudely made FORGERY!!!
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I’ve always believed that B. Hussein was NOT eligible to be Prez. I also believe he is a Marxist Muslim. But, the problem is, most people don’t give a sh**. It doesn’t matter to them anymore than it did that Bill Clinton was a rapist and a lying whoremonger. Unfortunately, the “birther” issue will NEVER get the SOB out of the White House. We’re just gonna have to work our a**es off to get him defeated in November of 2012.


9 posted on 07/03/2011 5:09:12 AM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: HMS Surprise

I’m sorry, but this post is legal foolishness.

The claim that both one’s parents must be US citizens has never been required by the SCOTUS and would not be. Secondly, he says the LFBC is a forgery, and therfore that settles it?

Clearer thinking than this is required here.


10 posted on 07/03/2011 5:12:08 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: HMS Surprise

Put a conservative with the same type of ancestrey as zerobama on on the ticket and watch the libtard media suddenly become birthers.

Remember the flap over McCain because he was born outside a US state but in the US territory of the Canal Zone, in a military hospital on a military base with both parents being American citizens?


11 posted on 07/03/2011 5:17:55 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: MindBender26
You think like a lawyer.

If a real and legitimate birth certificate existed it would be a **simple** matter to scan it and post it in a straight forward manner. Instead Obama created a crude forgery.... Hm?

Obama has LOST this issue in the most important court of all: The court of public opinion. Polls show that. Yes, it is true that it is unlikely that there is even one man of good character with any influence in the entire United States willing to take this on....but...there is NO WAY that Obama can get past this in the 2012 election.

12 posted on 07/03/2011 5:31:30 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

At one timeI thought I and my brother (killed in the battle for Okinawa) could be POTUSA. However, I’ve taken a different view now that the matter with Obama’s eligibility has been explored. Neither my brother nor I could be POTUSA because our parents were immigrants without naturalization at the time of our births. OK with me to be a plain citizen of an exceptional Nation.


13 posted on 07/03/2011 5:38:42 AM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: no dems
Re:Marco Rubio & Bobby Jindal

Oh, I can't wait. If either of them is nominated for Pres, or VP, the Democrats and (redundantly) the media will be all over screaming "He's NOT a natural-born citizen!"

14 posted on 07/03/2011 5:42:06 AM PDT by eCSMaster (We will fight for America and it starts here in Madison, WI. It starts here. It starts now.)
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To: wintertime
You think like a lawyer.

Thank you.

Obama will lose in 2012 because of what he has done to America, most importantly, the economy. The middle 20%, the people who actually elect the economy will decide that is enough, if and only if we nominate someone who gives them a realistic hope of a better life, free of obsessive government control, free of obsessive taxes, etc, if and only if that candidate comes across as reasonable, not some Christine O'Donnell-like kook.

15 posted on 07/03/2011 5:43:28 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: HMS Surprise
"When?"

"When does the shoe drop? When does the New York Times, or even Fox News for that matter, step up to the plate and take one for the team? Thousands of savvy journalists, computer experts, and more than a handful of pundits are now sitting on this bombshell that rivals Watergate in its magnitude."

Okay, I give up...When?

16 posted on 07/03/2011 5:46:33 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: HMS Surprise
Because, dear comrade, much more germane to the establishment of “natural-born” bona fides is the citizenship of the parents, not the place of birth

This has never been established in the US Code or by any Court, and it is foolish to keep harping on it.

The idea that a unanimous USSC (and it would have to be unanimous) would order an elected President to vacate his office on this basis is nuts.

17 posted on 07/03/2011 5:47:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Jim Noble
Unless you believe the Founding Fathers were a pack of idiots that left the door wide open for a member of the British Royal Family, or other royal family, to come to this country and father a child that would then be eligible for president and the royal thrown at the same time, then the definition of Natural Born Citizen was established at the time it was written and is not open for interpretation.
18 posted on 07/03/2011 6:10:49 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
and is not open for interpretation

Oh, OK, I'm relieved then.

He should be out any day now.

19 posted on 07/03/2011 6:12:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: MindBender26

“Clearer thinking than this is required here.”

Doesn’t appear you will be the one doing it.


20 posted on 07/03/2011 6:26:50 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: MindBender26
You think like a lawyer. ( wintertime)
Thank you. (MindBender26)
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Tyranny is coming.

A time is soon coming when a license to practice law will be meaningless. Why? Because the rule of law is been shredded. Law means what ever the chief executive of our nation wants it to mean.

Presidents can thumb their nose at Congress when declaring war. They can perjure themselves. They can rape and group women at abandon. Mysterious murders can surround them. They can arrange to have sensitive documents stolen or make them go missing. The IRS files can They can lie about their past and post crudely made FORGERIES.

If I were a betting person, I would say that there likely will be elections in 2012. BUT....Count on it! A time is soon coming when there will be no elections or they will be a meaningless and any held in the old Soviet Union.

Why? Reason: Obama is merely the stink in the room! The gangrene is the moral rot that has infected every cultural institution in the nation, especial among those in the legal profession.

Obama is very likely a usurper. He posted two crude FORGERIES!!! And,...Not one man or woman with influence in a country of 300 million people has done anything meaningful about it!

Not even one governor or state attorney general, no prosecutors, not one legislator, no judges or any member of the Supreme Court, and the entire electoral college did anything about it! Yet...the majority of these guys and gals are lawyers! Not one LEO or law enforcement agency ( federal or state) made any move to act. Our Marxist and conservative media were silent. Our very highest military, graduates of academies with the very strictest “honor codes” ( what a joke!) are complicit.

Tyranny is soon coming. Bet on it.

21 posted on 07/03/2011 6:33:14 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Jim Noble

“I have never relished the notion that a sitting President, duly-elected, would ever be bounced from office because of something beyond his or her control, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore facts.”

Strawman!!! this was the second sentence of the article.


22 posted on 07/03/2011 6:33:56 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial
“I have never relished the notion that a sitting President, duly-elected, would ever be bounced from office because of something beyond his or her control, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore facts.”( from the article)
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Obama was on the ballot due to FRAUD! How can that translate into “duly elected”. Unbelievable!

( By the way...Please read my respond to Mind Bender26 in post #21.)

Afterbirthers disgust me.

23 posted on 07/03/2011 6:40:17 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Jim Noble

He should have never been in is the point in case you missed it.


24 posted on 07/03/2011 6:45:46 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: HMS Surprise

‘Whites Are Liars’ — Audacity of Racism: Obama’s 20-Year Mentor Rev. Wright Tells Church Youth All Whites Are Liars…Over and Over in a Long Sound Bite

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/whites-are-liars-audacity-of-racism-obamas-20-year-mentor-rev-wright-tells-church-youth-all-whites-are-liars-over-and-over-in-a-long-sound-bite-2/


25 posted on 07/03/2011 7:06:02 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: no dems
. But, the problem is, most people don’t give a sh**.
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That is the gangrene that will kill the patient. Obama is merely the stink in the room.

Please read my post #21.

26 posted on 07/03/2011 7:12:38 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: no dems
...the establishment of “natural-born” bona fides is the citizenship of the parents, not the place of birth.

Then, that ELIMINATES Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal from ever being Prez or VP.

Maybe not. Their parents could have been naturalized citizens at the time of Rubio's and Jindal's birth. I have no idea if they were or not.

27 posted on 07/03/2011 7:23:37 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: no dems

Please accept my apology. I misread your post.


28 posted on 07/03/2011 7:55:11 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: KeyLargo
I never seen a photo where the Obama girls are smiling or even look genuinely happy. Could it be because they are fed a diet of hate every day?
29 posted on 07/03/2011 7:58:31 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: MindBender26
The claim that both one’s parents must be US citizens has never been required by the SCOTUS and would not be. Secondly, he says the LFBC is a forgery, and therfore that settles it?

Apparently you are not up to speed. Leo Donofrio argues that Minor v Happersett is a supreme court precedent where the court rules that the fact of Minor having two citizen parents and born in the United States makes her a "Natural Born Citizen." He further argues that they did not invoke the 14th amendment to make this ruling (as they did in Wong Kim Ark) and therefore it is based on original law. To sum it up, it proves what the Supreme Courts understanding of original law was, and it conforms to the two citizen parent born on the soil position.

Read this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2742400/posts

Clearer thinking than this is required here.

Clear thinking is indeed required, but without accurate facts it will still lead you astray. The Minor v. Happersett decision provides some of those accurate facts.

Rogers v. Bellei provides another fact. In that case, the Supreme court ruled that being the child of one American Citizen isn't enough to be a "Natural born citizen." Bellei LOST his citizenship because he didn't reside in the United States long enough. A "Natural born citizen" could NOT lose his citizenship through inaction.

30 posted on 07/03/2011 8:05:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: CPOSharky
Remember the flap over McCain because he was born outside a US state but in the US territory of the Canal Zone, in a military hospital on a military base with both parents being American citizens?

I hate to point this out, but McCain was NOT born in a US Military Hospital, he was born off-base in a Panamanian civilian hospital. This was a much discussed point.


31 posted on 07/03/2011 8:11:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: Jim Noble
This has never been established in the US Code or by any Court, and it is foolish to keep harping on it.

Apparently it HAS been established by the Supreme Court in their ruling on Minor v. Happersett. Read Donofrio's analysis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2742400/posts

32 posted on 07/03/2011 8:14:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; MindBender26
You think like a lawyer. ( wintertime, post #12 )
Thank you. ( Mind Bender26, post #15)
Apparently you ( Mind Bender26) are not up to speed. ( DiogenesLamp, post #30)

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Mind Bender26 is very proud of his reasoning abilities.

By the way...Please read my post #21 in response to Mind Bender26’s rationalizations. Mind *Bender* was a good choice for a posting name. Do you think? .

33 posted on 07/03/2011 8:41:47 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: DiogenesLamp
Apparently it HAS been established by the Supreme Court in their ruling on Minor v. Happersett. Read Donofrio's analysis.

And Donofrio's analysis has enjoyed so much success in the courtroom.

34 posted on 07/03/2011 9:27:09 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Gena Bukin
And Donofrio's analysis has enjoyed so much success in the courtroom.

Roe v. Wade enjoyed plenty of success in the court room. The ruling of the court is that the Amendment granting citizenship to slaves (14th) means that it's okay for women (Who couldn't even vote in 1868) to kill their unborn children.

Dred Scott v. Sanford enjoyed plenty of success in the court room. (Slaves are property.) So did Plessy v. Ferguson. (Separate but Equal.) I hear the KELO V. NEW LONDON (Theft of Private Property) was also popular with the Supreme court. Miranda v. Arizona (lying rapist get's confession thrown out. Convicted anyway.) was successful in court.

Pardon me if I don't regard success in the court as proof of legitimacy. The courts have become "democracy by other means" rather than an objective interpreter of the truth. Often a majority in the court simply means all the idiots are on the same side.

35 posted on 07/03/2011 10:16:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: wintertime
By the way...Please read my post #21 in response to Mind Bender26’s rationalizations. Mind *Bender* was a good choice for a posting name. Do you think? .

I think you are right. Obama is the stink in the room that represents the larger stink in our nation. TOO much power is in the hands of those who control the discussion. Lawyers, Professors, News, Media, everyone who has an outsized influence on what the public is told all lean left/liberal. For years I have suggested that Republicans file affirmative action lawsuits against media corps and colleges alleging discrimination against conservatives in hiring. I've also suggested legal action against media corps for providing free political advertising for Liberal politicians in the guise of slanted news and commentary. Every News person should have a [D] under their name when they are on the air so the public would know which party they are getting their news from.

Tip of the stench is right.

36 posted on 07/03/2011 10:22:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Pardon me if I don't regard success in the court as proof of legitimacy.

Success in the courts confer the status of Law of the Land whether you agree with the ruling or not.

People treat Leo Donofrio as if he is an authority on the subject. He is not. He is a blogger, amateur poker player, sometime musician and an individual who despite somehow passing the bar and possessing a license to practice law, has never succeeded in any legal case. His "analysis" enjoy the support of no one outside of the birther circus, outside of people who want so desperately for there to be something, anything, that will magically and instantly nullify the Obama Presidency.

Donofrio's views are supported by no reputable conservative politician, commentator or conservative legal foundation.

37 posted on 07/03/2011 10:55:03 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: MindBender26

Clearer thinking is indeed called for, how about bringing some to the conversation. Unless you consider the Supreme Court to be the final arbiter of who is King.


38 posted on 07/03/2011 11:15:38 AM PDT by itsahoot (I Stand with Sarah Palin)
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To: wintertime

Cogent remarks wintertime.

I to fear that we have been had. It is beyond belief that not one person in authority, not one elected official, nor a single judge has found that the people have any standing to even ask the questions that would reveal the travesty.

I am further saddened by the law types on FR, that continually belittle Orley Taiz for her efforts to unveil this conspiracy. Do we really have to have immigrants alone carrying the banner of freedom, that once waved or the land of the free?


39 posted on 07/03/2011 11:40:22 AM PDT by itsahoot (I Stand with Sarah Palin)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Law decided by precedent is no law at all, it is tyranny piled upon tyranny.


40 posted on 07/03/2011 11:49:38 AM PDT by itsahoot (I Stand with Sarah Palin)
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To: Jim Noble

OK, let’s talk about fraud then. Do you doubt that the White House has released a manufactured document? If you do it can only be because you have done zero homework, or refuse to. And by the way, you’re completely wrong about the definition of natural-born citizen too. All that matters is what that phrase meant at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. If you can’t grasp that, I don’t know what else to tell you.


41 posted on 07/03/2011 12:31:27 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: no dems

I have never pushed either, and I would not. It’s ridiculous to think that among the pool of eligible “natural-born” candidates we can’t find a person sufficiently talented to run the government of this country.


42 posted on 07/03/2011 12:33:27 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: wintertime

I assume everyone knows by now, or they are in complete denial.


43 posted on 07/03/2011 12:34:36 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: MindBender26

Your post is foolishness. Scotus cannnot change the definition of a phrase, and that’s all that matters. What did “natural-born” mean before the Constitution was adopted? Regardless, you ARE MISSING THE POINT. The White House has released a FRAUDULENT DOCUMENT... omg.


44 posted on 07/03/2011 12:36:56 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise
All that matters is what that phrase meant at the time of the adoption of the Constitution

Oh, good. He'll be leaving shortly, then?

45 posted on 07/03/2011 12:37:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Rudder

I suspect soon. In time for Hillary to get a primary campaign up and running. This is Twilight Zone stuff, but to look at the evidence is to know the truth, as unbelievable as it may seem.


46 posted on 07/03/2011 12:39:54 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: Jim Noble

Omg... So what would you have me do then? Pretend like this is not happening? I reall am at a loss with the thinking that goes on here. Is the point to only do those things which affect outcomes? Or can we know ALL truth, regardless of its efficacy? I am not arguing that Obama SHOULD be kicked out of the White House, I am giving INFORMATION. Do whatever you want with it.


47 posted on 07/03/2011 12:43:55 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
Their parents Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal) could have been naturalized citizens at the time of Rubio's and Jindal's birth. I have no idea if they were or not.
NOPE; they weren't.
48 posted on 07/03/2011 1:25:56 PM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: wintertime

Please accept my apology. I misread your post.
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No problem.


49 posted on 07/03/2011 1:28:12 PM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: no dems

Thanks!

Works for me ... we have 310,000,000 others to pick from.


50 posted on 07/03/2011 1:54:44 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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