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Is Ann Coulter Right About the Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King?
http://www.foxnews.com ^ | 6/`6/11 | Juan Williams

Posted on 07/03/2011 5:00:09 AM PDT by BCrago66

In her new best-seller Ann Coulter breaks with the politically correct history of the civil rights movement by openly criticizing Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

The always provocative Coulter makes the case that King’s embrace of mass street protests, specifically breaking the law by staging marches without permits and gaining public sympathy by purposely putting children in the way of vicious dogs and blasts from power water hoses used by rabid segregationists, is a prime example of how liberals throughout history get their way by using angry, inflammatory mob behavior.

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I've seen a lot of negative comments on Juan Willimas on FR over the years, but he always seemed to me to be one of the more honest liberals; it was his honesty and unwillingness to always toe the orthodox Left line that got him booted off NPR. Here's Williams concedes "...when Ann is right, Ann can be devastatingly right," and he essentially agrees with Ann Coulter's take on MLK v. Thurgood Marshall.

(This was published on 6/16, but I can't find it on FR, so I think I'm the 1st to post it.)

1 posted on 07/03/2011 5:00:12 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: BCrago66

Is Ann Coulter right? Are the facts what Ann Coulter says they are? Of course. Nobody ever disputes Ann Coulter’s facts.

Is one required to accept her interpretation? No, but if one can’t argue against it using facts and logic, that certainly says something ...

I think the uncritical deification of MKL Jr. has been, in a spiritual sense, the invitation of evil into the soul. The celebration of promiscuity and violence against women, for example, is part of MLK’s life.


2 posted on 07/03/2011 5:12:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: BCrago66

Sometimes Coulter can be an idiot.


3 posted on 07/03/2011 5:14:10 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: BCrago66

I am too much of a “CRANK” for Ann. I gave up on her a while ago.


4 posted on 07/03/2011 5:24:06 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: BCrago66

Yes, JW is a mixed bag, but a good part of him is uncommonly fair to the side he tends to disagree with.


5 posted on 07/03/2011 5:24:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BCrago66
In "A Patriot's History of the United States," we more or less side with Williams. King was brilliant in that he recognized America's basic goodness and used it to force moral Americans to do the right thing. So it matters if the marchers were only adults? Somehow turning water cannons and dogs on peaceful adults denied the right to sit at a freakin' lunch counter is reasonable? And let's see, how is one to get a permit in a state that doesn't even recognize you as a citizen because of your color? Does ANYONE think Reagan would have tolerated color bans? Not when he was in office, and not when he was in any position of power he didn't.

King understood that America was fundamentally good, unlike the tyrant who is in office today. Too bad Coulter is clueless on this one.

6 posted on 07/03/2011 5:27:14 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Tax-chick

Release all of the FBI documents surrounding King and the CR movement and let America decide for herself... but they will NEVER unseal those documents.

LLS


7 posted on 07/03/2011 5:28:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: Tax-chick

The man was dishonest. In addition to being an adulterer he plagiarized his dissertation. Boston University should have rescinded his degree but they were afraid of the backlash.


8 posted on 07/03/2011 5:29:28 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Fzob

Isn’t that true of us all? A.C. IMO is like most extremely intelligent people sometimes their brilliance overides the ability in all to be an idiot. As stated by another (put another way) it is not her facts that get her in trouble its her presentation. I am going to hear Martin Luther Kings controversial kin (Dr.Alveda King on the 8th -the Lady blackballed by the others of that legacy for daring to say including homosexuals in the Civil Rights movement would be the death of that movement.(and she is right too-in that)


9 posted on 07/03/2011 5:29:46 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Tax-chick
No one I know has EVER "celebrated" King's womanizing, or his flirtation with communist hangers-on (though it's absolutely clear he himself was not a communist party member).

That's a long way from Coulter's idiotic accusation that because blacks didn't have permits in racist states that didn't even see them as citizens they could not address injustices. And it's this crap that gives conservatism a bad name.

10 posted on 07/03/2011 5:30:48 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

You might be right. I’ll have to read that chapter of Coulter’s book, or listen to it on the audiobook version I downloaded the other day.


11 posted on 07/03/2011 5:36:57 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: LS

King was a mixed bag as are all mere mortals.

Personally I find Malcom X to be a more interesting individual and would be interested in seeing where he would have settled ideologically.


12 posted on 07/03/2011 5:37:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: BCrago66
MLK2 was the first and only “good” communist.
“Demonic” mob mentality was,believe it or not,vital to bringing black civil rights to the fore and even though King was a socialist serial adulterer,he almost single handily made the negro race in America...well...AMERICAN!
Sure we still have race problems but King destroyed INSTITUTIONAL racism in America.
As a middle-age white man of the South,I can't stand Snoop Dog but I treasure Marvin Gaye—I despise Eric Holder yet admire Justice Thomas—and race has nothing to do with it.
THAT is the King legacy.
13 posted on 07/03/2011 5:38:40 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Sans Sarah-Bachmann's The One.")
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To: BCrago66
The nightly images of the violence were used as effectively as the network TV-Marxist "bringing the war to America's living rooms" had on swaying opinion about the war in Viet Nam.

Understand that TV was still "new" in those days at least in the sense of affordable color TV. There they were.. who could dispute it. Right there on TV were the films and in many cases the reports from men who had earned their reputations during W.W.2 -- it had to all be absolute facts.

.. or like in my case when I disputed TV network "news" they reported another fact just for me: "we're professionals and you're not."

Damn right violence was used.

And to be critical of it (Support your local police) was to be racist -- besides it wasn't looting it was people collecting their layaway goods. (They had been overcharged for years and years and years and the overcharges were payments. So said some on TV network "news.")

14 posted on 07/03/2011 5:38:58 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BCrago66
he always seemed to me to be one of the more honest liberals
No such creature exists.
15 posted on 07/03/2011 5:40:10 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: cripplecreek

I tend to agree. The journey Malcom X took was a much more in depth and interesting full circle, if you will.


16 posted on 07/03/2011 5:40:26 AM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: Fzob
"Sometimes Coulter can be an idiot."

And sometimes, those who read Ann Coulter's works - are idiots! ;>

17 posted on 07/03/2011 5:40:42 AM PDT by Dacus943
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To: BCrago66
..purposely putting children in the way of ...

This tactic seems to have caught on with some in the camel crowd.

18 posted on 07/03/2011 5:42:06 AM PDT by tomkat (FØ)
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To: GoCards

Malcom X wouldn’t have become a Reagan conservative but I do think he would have become a moderating force to tone down the rhetoric of the Justice Brothers.


19 posted on 07/03/2011 5:46:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
Yes, it would have been interesting to see how Malcom X evolved. I wish Eldrige Cleaver had lived longer, before he died he was being vilified by the left.
20 posted on 07/03/2011 5:48:43 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: BCrago66

Good for Ann. It is way past time to have more critical thought on the deification and worship of MLK.


21 posted on 07/03/2011 5:48:57 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Happy Rain
As a middle-age white man of the South,I can't stand Snoop Dog but I treasure Marvin Gaye—I despise Eric Holder yet admire Justice Thomas—and race has nothing to do with it.

It's strange that they're all black, then. What are the odds?

22 posted on 07/03/2011 5:49:46 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cripplecreek

:) well your probably right but heck if John Lennon can well??????? /lol


23 posted on 07/03/2011 5:49:51 AM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: Maine Mariner

Calypso Louie all but admitted to killing Cleaver and said what happened in the black community was none of the white man’s buidness.

Course it didn’t take long for Louie to figure out that a racist conspiracy to have Cleaver killed was far more profitable.


24 posted on 07/03/2011 5:52:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: BCrago66
Yes, the FACTS are not really in dispute, but without the prism of knowledge and understanding, the facts cannot inform by themselves. Dr Martin Luther King Jr (MLK) did not exist in a vacuum, instead he existed in a continuum that ranged from Thurgood Marshall to Stokley Carmichael and Malcolm X. Add to this the crystalizing effect of the post-war and Cold War and you had a "perfect storm" environment for the nascent Civil Rights movement.

As has been postulated by many others, MLK was able to make himself appear more moderate 'Integrationists' to the public by comparison to the extremes of Carmichael and other "Black Nationalists". Yet within the Civil Rights movement itself, MLK positioned himself as far more of an activist than the relatively staid Marshall and other moderates.

For a grin, I don't remember ever writing a sentence with two words with a 'uu' in it. Tain't that many in English to do it unintentionally!

25 posted on 07/03/2011 5:57:27 AM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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To: BCrago66
Whatever MLK was, his legacy is his belief in non-violence and that people be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

The good is oft interred with their bones. We ought not let that happen here at FR, regardless of what Ann Coulter has to say.

ML/NJ

26 posted on 07/03/2011 6:03:07 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: LS

Yep...King should have filed petitions and sought permits to be recognozed as an equal citizen. You can’t tell a man he isn’t a man forever, you can’t tell a man when he gets to be a man. There will be consequences for trying to do that. America is lucky that we didn’t have a full blown race war in the 1960’s and Dr King’s leadership was one of the reasons we didn’t.


27 posted on 07/03/2011 6:08:05 AM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: Maine Mariner
The die is set and Malcolm will not escape for the foolish talk he spoke against his benefactor, such a man, is worthy of death, and it would have been so, were it not for Muhammad's confidence that God would give him the victory over the enemies.

- Louis Farrakhan
28 posted on 07/03/2011 6:13:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: RegulatorCountry
The subject was race-I gave black examples of opposite ideologies and demonstrated that I prefered the conservative over the Leftist NO MATTER the race.
I thought the point of the post self-evident.
29 posted on 07/03/2011 6:16:37 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Sans Sarah-Bachmann's The One.")
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To: BCrago66
Actually, things were kinda the same back then as today vis-a-vis race.

Sports and entertainment were the main sources of success for blacks. Yes there were fewer in both compared to today.

Nothing good about America in the MSM vis-a-vis black Americans. Just like today.

30 posted on 07/03/2011 6:44:31 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Fzob
Sometimes Coulter can be an idiot.

In her constant endorsements of that fat RINO Chris Christie as the Second Coming? Yep. In her support of GOProud? Yep. In this instance. Nope. She's dead-on.

31 posted on 07/03/2011 6:50:55 AM PDT by montag813 (SECURE THE DAMN BORDER! http://www.StandwithArizona.com)
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To: ml/nj

AKA.....Print the legend.


32 posted on 07/03/2011 6:51:37 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
I'm sure you know what you mean by your comment.

ML/NJ

33 posted on 07/03/2011 7:05:05 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Tax-chick
I think the uncritical deification of MKL Jr. has been, in a spiritual sense, the invitation of evil into the soul.

King's, like Kennedy's, reputation benefited mightily from his early demise. Fact (not all detrimental) has been overlaid with myth. Myth can be shaped ... facts are stubbornly what they are.

34 posted on 07/03/2011 7:15:36 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: LS
“That's a long way from Coulter’s idiotic accusation that because blacks didn't have permits in racist states that didn't even see them as citizens they could not address injustices. And it's this crap that gives conservatism a bad name.”

You know what, I lived in Alabama when all the marches and protests started. It was mostly outside groups stirring up trouble over staged events, and about problems that didn't exist in most cases.

Everywhere in the country the roadsides had outside BBQ tents set up and almost all of them owned and run by blacks. There would be dozens of picnic tables under the open sided tents and about an equal number of blacks and whites eating together. Everybody sat at whatever table had an open spot. Nobody cared where anyone sat and everyone got along fine.

Before all the riots and protests, nobody knew that we couldn't get along or had to eat in seperate places. It's a good thing the liberal commies came down and let us know how much we hated each other, we would have never known.

35 posted on 07/03/2011 7:20:37 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: BCrago66

From the article:
“Coulter’s brand of vituperative political commentary has sometimes poisoned our political discourse over years”

Nonsense. Speaking the truth has little to do with “poisoning the political discourse”. It is the _left_ that has done the poisoning by trying to place the truth “out of the bounds of discussion” for the last 50 years.

The TRUTH is that King was a communist sympathizer who plagiarized his way to his position. Much about this has been published, admittedly by sources not allowed to be quoted here on FR.

He was much “less than” the icon he was built up to be. (Aside: as was Rosa Parks, who did not spontaneously refuse to give up her seat on the bus, but rather was chosen and groomed to perform that “role”).

The problem with speaking the truth these days is that we are only allowed to speak it about _some_ issues. On others, truth is verboten.

Just sayin’....


36 posted on 07/03/2011 7:31:38 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: LS
You do realize that Juan disagrees with you.

In the article, he refers to the many interviews he had with Thurgood Marshall and the frustration he had with King and his tactics.

The final paragraph from the article...

Coulter’s brand of vituperative political commentary has sometimes poisoned our political discourse over years. She and her fellow provocateurs on the far right are featured prominently in my upcoming book “Muzzled: the Assault on Honest Debate.” But even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On this one, Coulter has her history exactly right and that is why the left is screaming.

37 posted on 07/03/2011 7:35:57 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: LS

While I think Coulter would be a great president, I don’t see eye to eye with her on certain issues. Like WFB did not understand the civil rights movement, Coulter does not always understand the force of history on certain issues. Civil rights was one of those issues. King forced America to look at her treatment of non-white citizens. Was he a perfect human and all his tactics good? Probably not. But here Coulter is nitpicking. Not all liberals were/are evil, and not all conservatives were/are good.


38 posted on 07/03/2011 8:19:10 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: LS

While I think Coulter would be a great president, I don’t see eye to eye with her on certain issues. Like WFB did not understand the civil rights movement, Coulter does not always understand the force of history on certain issues. Civil rights was one of those issues. King forced America to look at her treatment of non-white citizens. Was he a perfect human and all his tactics good? Probably not. But here Coulter is nitpicking. Not all liberals were/are evil, and not all conservatives were/are good.


39 posted on 07/03/2011 8:20:11 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: BCrago66

From the article: “Marshall conceded that King had tremendous influence. “He came up at the right time,” he said. “I think he was great – as a leader. As an organizer, he wasn’t worth s—t..He was a great speaker...but as for getting the work done, he was not too good at that…All he did was dump all his legal work on us (the NAACP) including the bills. And that was all right with him so long as he didn’t have to pay the bills.”

My, my. I suspect Justice Marshall would say the same about Obama, that “he wasn’t work s—t”, that “he was not good at getting the work done” and that “all he did was dump...the bills on us”.


40 posted on 07/03/2011 8:46:24 AM PDT by miele man
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To: LS
Well said, my FRiend...Coulter is waay off base on this one.

I was a teenager back then. Already conservative, I recognized that then my NYC was just a racist as the south, though it wasn't as institutionalized. The turning point for me was when the three kids from NYC ( sadly, I can't remember their names now) were murdered. I realized that the southern system was rotten, evil, and had to be overturned,a nd they woudl not do it themselves. So sadly, but true, it was was the murder of three WHITE kids who showed me the true evils of racism.

41 posted on 07/03/2011 9:22:39 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: ken5050

“The turning point for me was when the three kids from NYC ( sadly, I can’t remember their names now) were murdered.”

Are you thinking of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers_murders


42 posted on 07/03/2011 12:19:19 PM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila

Yup....thanks..


43 posted on 07/03/2011 12:22:02 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Beagle8U

Well, I was in Mississippi and Alabama in the early 1970s and racism was VERY strong then. Yes, there were settings where groups could mingle-—music, in particular. But one my pastor friends, a nationally known black minister, STILL couldn’t preach in various churches down there until about the 1980s. So, no, it wasn’t all “outside agitators.” The people I knew and played with were born and raised in Alabama and Mississippi.


44 posted on 07/03/2011 12:49:02 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Skip Ripley

Good point. And if the Republicans had really done it right-—on both sides (not just siding with blacks because they were black and cleaning up the corruption and insisting on full legal equality) in the 1870s, the Democrats never would have been able to destroy blacks in this country the way they have.


45 posted on 07/03/2011 12:50:47 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, absolutely. Even Paul Johnson, who wrote about the hypocrisies of intellectuals in his book of the same name . . . had a mistress.


46 posted on 07/03/2011 12:51:42 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

The “racist states” you speak of were all controlled by the Democrats, right. What history books teach that? What black students have been taught those facts?
The KKK were the militant arm of the Democrat party.
Bob Byrd was good example. Read some of his earlier remarks about the “negro” to use his words.
The media is what gives conservatives a bad name, and it sounds like you can’t distinguish facts from fiction.

Ann Coulter is brilliant and fearless. She has earned her stripes. How many best sellers are on your list?


47 posted on 07/03/2011 9:27:21 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: LS

Paul Johnson was an ADULTERER??

Wow, I would have never guessed that.

Although I know two very conservative Christian men who both cheated on their wives and ultimately left them, and I know one guy who cheated on his wife and was murdered by his lover’s husband...

People are so, so foolish sometimes.

Ed


48 posted on 07/04/2011 1:15:23 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: BCrago66

King was a socialist and way overrated and surely no conservative icon like loony Beck likes to claim

And I knew this...as did Magnus, Buckley and Barry G long before Ann was in her first training bra

Coulter is a mixed bag...her screeches against Palin are shameful and her love of Mitt...no thanks

Btw...civil rights acts suck too...why do pc conservatives today act like they never met one they don’t love

They were opposed by our heroes for the most part


49 posted on 07/04/2011 1:27:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (Palin or Bachman..either with Marco....but Bachman bashers can kiss my ass)
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To: Fzob
Sometimes Coulter can be an idiot.

Thank you for not resorting to an ad hominem attack. Your presentation of facts to counter her statements is truly awe-inspiring.

50 posted on 07/04/2011 1:34:15 AM PDT by Bob
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