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Senior Vatican adviser: no communion for Andrew Cuomo over same-sex marriage stance
Beliefnet ^ | June 27, 2011 | NIRAJ WARIKOO

Posted on 07/03/2011 9:23:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

A senior adviser to the Vatican, who is a theology professor in Detroit, blasted the Catholic governor of New York for his strong backing of same-sex marriage, saying that he should be punished for his "brazen" violation of Catholicism by being denied Holy Communion — a key part of the Catholic faith.

He's also calling for the Catholic Church to investigate Gov. Andrew Cuomo for violating church law, calling the politician's actions a "danger" to faithful Catholics.

Professor Edward Peters of Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, a consultant to the Vatican's highest court, hopes that punishing Cuomo would "serve as an example" to other Catholic politicians and clergy across the U.S. who might be considering same-sex marriage in light of New York's approval on Friday.

"I see no way, absent a public reversal of his public conduct, that Andrew Cuomo may present himself for holy Communion," Peters wrote Sunday on his blog. And, "I see no way that a minister of holy Communion may administer the sacrament to him."

Peters, an expert on canon law, confirmed his remarks with the Free Press today. He said New York bishops should make clear publicly that Cuomo can't receive Communion because of the "danger of scandal presented to the faithful."

Peters was named last year by Pope Benedict XVI to be an adviser to the Vatican's highest judicial authority, known as Apostolic Signatura. He is not an official spokesman for the Pope, but his views are heard at high levels in the Church.

This is not the first time Peters has slammed Cuomo for violating Catholic teachings. Earlier this year, Peters said that Cuomo, who lives out of marriage with his girlfriend, Food Network celebrity Sandra Lee, should be denied Holy Communion for what he called "public concubinage."

"I am already on record as believing Cuomo ineligible for Holy Communion on the basis of his improper living arrangements with a television celebrity," Peters said.

"But in almost every relevant way, Cuomo’s protracted actions in regard to 'gay marriage' are even more brazen."

Holy Communion, also known as the Eucharist, refers to the wafers and wine that many Catholics consume during Mass that they believe are the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It is considered an essential part of the Catholic faith.

Cuomo pushed hard to get a bill passed that would make same-sex marriage legal in New York. The state is considered by some to be the birthplace of the gay rights movement in the U.S. because of 1969 rebellions against police at Stonewall, a gay bar in New York City. Cuomo framed the issue in progressive terms, comparing it to past labor and environmental struggles. New York will soon be the largest state in the U.S. to allow same-sex marriage.

But Catholic leaders in New York had pushed back against the bill, comparing it to Communist rule. Archbishop of New York Timothy Dolan wrote that "God not Albany, has settled the definition of marriage a long time ago."

The marriage of "one man, one woman, united ... has served as the very cornerstone of civilization and culture from the start," Dolan said.

"Last time I consulted an atlas, it is clear we are living in New York, in the United States of America — not in China or North Korea."

But others pointed to polls that show Catholics increasingly favor same-sex marriage. A 2010 Pew Research Center survey showed Catholics in America are more likely than not (46% to 42%) to support gay marriage. Support increases among younger generations, with 58% of Catholics 18 to 49 supporting same-sex marriage, the survey said.

But, Peters said, Catholic doctrine is clear on this issue. And Cuomo should also be investigated for his support, he said.

A spokesman for the governor could not be immediately reached today.

What punishment could Cuomo face in addition to being denied Holy Communion?

It depends, Peters said. But one possible punishment, he said, could involve a public retraction along with "some form of public, religiously oriented, action of reparation such as direct service to the poor," Peters told the Free Press

At worst, Cuomo could be excommunicated, but that would be unlikely, Peters said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: catholic; cuomo; cuomosexual; fakecatholic; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda
Ed Peters, canon lawyer, identifies danger: that if this is allowed to stand, Andrew Cuomo will do for sodomy precisely what his father Mario did for abortion 30+ years ago: make it "Tut tut, but no big deal" for Catholic politcos to promote abominations: publicly, ruthlessly, and with impunity.
1 posted on 07/03/2011 9:24:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Admin Moderator
Could you fix the typo in the headline? It should be "for," not "from."

Thanks.

2 posted on 07/03/2011 9:25:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Nothing will come of it... they make these threats and admonishments, then quietly let it pass when the ‘offender’ steps up for Communion.


3 posted on 07/03/2011 9:27:31 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As best I can tell, Ed Peters is taken seriously by his own son, “American Papist” blogger Thomas Peters, and by nobody else.


4 posted on 07/03/2011 9:33:19 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: theDentist

Andy’s boinkin’ Sandra? I’m jealous!


5 posted on 07/03/2011 9:33:31 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
There's little doubt in my mind that Pope Benedict has more than enough starch to stand up to the likes of Andrew Cuomo and the rest of the whole sorry Cuomo crowd. It's time for the limo liberal/pseudo Catholic crowd to be banished from the altar rail...Kennedys, Kerrys, Bidens, and all.
6 posted on 07/03/2011 9:33:50 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: July4

Don’t forget Nancy Pelosi.


7 posted on 07/03/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: madprof98
As best I can tell, Ed Peters is taken seriously by his own son, “American Papist” blogger Thomas Peters, and by nobody else.

Consider that Cardinal Burke wanted Edward Peters appointed to the Apostolic Signatura and that is no small thing. In Rome they do see and understand the very real danger the Church faces in this country.

8 posted on 07/03/2011 9:48:11 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That is the point. There’s no reason they can’t go back and nail the old man and make sure he doesn’t end up in a Catholic cemetery. He’s 79 now and that family will be expecting the church to cough up a spot for him.


9 posted on 07/03/2011 9:51:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: forgotten man

Yes, especially Nancy Pelosi!


10 posted on 07/03/2011 9:52:30 AM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
will he stop going to Mass or will he push the point?
11 posted on 07/03/2011 9:57:50 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What should happen but won't is to put Cuomo on trial in a religious court and then, if he is convicted, excommunicate him.
12 posted on 07/03/2011 9:59:04 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“A 2010 Pew Research Center survey showed Catholics in America are more likely than not (46% to 42%) to support gay marriage.”

Bishop’s fault. Despite clear teaching on the subject, lack of public discipline for public Catholics gives the impression that it must not be too big of a deal when you get right down to it. Abortion is the gavest example of this type of scandal.

Also, many have been conditioned to think that marriage comes from the state, so they accept anything the state says can possibly be a marriage, even impossibilities like “gay marriage”.

Freegards


13 posted on 07/03/2011 10:05:23 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Mrs. Don-o
At worst, Cuomo could be excommunicated, but that would be unlikely, Peters said.

That tells me as clearly as anything that Catholics are no longer interested in Christianity.

14 posted on 07/03/2011 10:07:18 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Chode
Watch. We'll see.

Barring from Communion should be the consequence, not just to "the sin" but to the very ~ public ~ nature of the defiance. If he receives Holy Communion at this point, it would constitute sacrilege both on his part, and on the part of the priest, deacon, or layperson who administers the Holy Sacrament. It is a matter of charity that Cuomo be warned that he is in the gravest possible spiritual peril. Anyone who loved him would tell him that. We owe him the truth. We owe him the love!

Cuomo...

15 posted on 07/03/2011 10:08:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Actually, excommunication would take a long canonical process, while barring from Communion could happen in a New York minute.

That neither has happened yet, is horribly discouraging. The people "at the tope" (e.g. the head of the Apostolic Signature--- the equivalent of the Chsurch Supreme Court --- Cardinal REaymond Burke, are saying this "must" be done (Burke has used the word "must" --- but there's no flippin' enforcement.

The tagline applies to all the "enablers," clerical and lay:

16 posted on 07/03/2011 10:13:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: Truth29; All

Well, at least he won’t be stoned or beheaded. I’m glad we are so much more civilized.


17 posted on 07/03/2011 10:18:12 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Mrs. Don-o
All due respect to the Catholic hierarchy...

Now is the time for courage and faith to act together...

Admonishment, correction and direction, and when needed ex-communication.... (aka "church discipline")

These are part and valid parcel of the apostolic role & function of pastors and overseers...

It's time to step forward boldly -- say what needs to be said...
Do what has to be done to protect the flock.

Many prayers are lifted for these leaders...
And their clearly appropriate response to Cuomo's enthusiastic advocacy and signature...

18 posted on 07/03/2011 10:26:27 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: July4

Yes- and about time.


19 posted on 07/03/2011 10:36:56 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Ransomed

Catholic schools and colleges share a large part of this descent into Sodom.


20 posted on 07/03/2011 10:48:10 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Let the excommunications of these reprobate “Catholic” politicians begin!


21 posted on 07/03/2011 10:54:29 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Can you afford to board the Chattanooga Choo-Choo?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

While I pray for Cuomo’s sick soul, this is good news and needs to be done. It is time for Bishops to start growing a spine and calling out these dissenters publicly. As you correctly stated, this father/son combo has done more damage regarding important moral issues - it is time they are called out on it. In doing so, we just might be able to save the Cuomo grandchildren!


22 posted on 07/03/2011 11:22:33 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

He and others who go against Church teachings should be excommunicated post haste. Same goes for Priests who give those people Communion.
Nobody is holding a gun to Liberal Catholics to stay in the church. Leave and the Church would be a better place.


23 posted on 07/03/2011 11:24:18 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Steelfish

The bishops let the colleges go independent and they were infiltrated by the usual suspects. Many bishops supported the gubberment as an enforced instrument of charity, subverting the role of the Church and resulting in drastically reduced donations to support Catholic schools.

Freegards


24 posted on 07/03/2011 11:55:29 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“a key part of the Catholic faith.”

A key part of the Catholic faith? The Holy Eucharist is THE key part of the Catholic faith!


25 posted on 07/03/2011 1:09:59 PM PDT by Melian ("I can't spare this [wo]man; [s]he fights!" (Apologies to Abe Lincoln) Go, Sarah!)
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To: don-o; theDentist; madprof98; July4; forgotten man; pbear8; muawiyah; PDGearhead; Ransomed; ...
I looked up the original document from the Apostolic Signatura in Rome and highlighted the word “must”, so you can see for yourself, in all its ecclesiastical legalese, here:

http://tinyurl.com/church-says-must-refuse

To quote briefly from this authoritative ruling:

"There are other cases in which Holy Communion MUST be denied, apart from any imposition or declaration of a canonical penalty, in order to respect the holiness of the Sacrament, to safeguard the salvation of the soul of the party presenting himself to receive Holy Communion, and to avoid scandal."
"The minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he MUST refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin.”

“… when a person who has been duly admonished persists in presenting himself for Holy Communion, the minister of Holy Communion MUST refuse to give the Sacrament.”

If you will just google “Canon 915” you will find a huge amount of material about this, not just in the impenetrable thickets of Church legislative language, but right out there in short words, in the news. The last time I saw a list -- this was several years ago --- there were 17 U.S. Bishops who said they'd enforce Canon 915. That's 17 out of a couple hundred.

http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2009/02/top-vatican-judge-says-no-communion-for.html>

Where does your bishop stand on this? With the Church? Or not?

And what do you do when your own Bishop is ignoring what Christ teaches us through His Church?

Do like St. Catherine of Siena. Jump on him like a duck on a Junebug. Do not let up. For Christ's sake... GET ON HIS CASE.

26 posted on 07/04/2011 6:36:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Are there no Knights?

Have they no swords?

I am curious about the faithful Catholics in the parishes where this sacrilege occurs? How can they endure it?


27 posted on 07/04/2011 6:54:43 AM PDT by don-o (Please say a prayer for FReeper Just Lori. RIP)
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To: Chode
will he stop going to Mass or will he push the point?

He'll push it. He's in good company...


28 posted on 07/04/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Yorlik803
Nobody is holding a gun to Liberal Catholics to stay in the church. Leave and the Church would be a better place.

Yeah, but then they wouldn't be able to rely on the Catholic vote. (cynicism intentional)

29 posted on 07/04/2011 7:06:27 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: don-o
I've never been in a parish where actual pro-abort politicians profaned the Sacrament by receiving it. Closest I've come is when I was going to Mass with Sr. Joan Chittister's Benedictine Sisters of Erie--- and I fled there like a refugee almost 30 years ago. The Bishop? A neutered capon cleric. Submitted his resignation last Friday because he turned 75, the mandatory retirement age for clergy. AMDG.
30 posted on 07/04/2011 10:40:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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