Skip to comments.A Call To EFFECTIVE Arms In Removing Obama From Office
Posted on 07/03/2011 2:26:50 PM PDT by MindBender26
There has been much talk abain about removing Obama from office on the citizenship issue. Removing Obama from power is a critically important issue, but it's time for a little reality in this discussion.
We can discuss, back and forth all day long whether or not Mr. Obama meets the constitutional requirements to be President of the United States. The reality is, no matter whether he meets those requirements or not, the Supreme Court of the United States is not going to remove him from office and if you dispute that, you must certainly agree that the Supreme Court is not going to do so before Inauguration Day, 2013. Therefore, our focus must be on ensuring his defeat in the 2012 General Election, not depending on some highly doubtful court action to remove him from office.
Even if Mr. Obama was to be removed from office, we would only get Joe Biden as his successor. All the staffers, all the Cabinet Secretaries, all the left-wing appointed decision-making bureaucrats at the various boards and commissions would stay in place. As it affects the average citizen, the removal of Obama and his replacement with Mr. Biden would not be a significant change. Certainly we would be happy, but the policies of the Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid cabal would stay in place. The afterglow of Obamas removal would be short-lived, and will be nothing but a bitter aftertaste if we do not defeat that cabal in the 2012 General Elections.
On the issue of law, let me speak for a moment to the legal difficulties of removing Mr. Obama from office. First, there is the issue of whether the Supreme Court would even believe that it had the power to remove a sitting president. The Court might well decide that if someone could prove that Mr. Obama was not constitutionally qualified, the only constitutional way for him to be removed from office would be the Senate impeachment process.
Even if the case were to proceed forward to either a SCOTUS case or an impeachment matter before the Senate, they would have to have overwhelming clear and convincing evidence that Mr. Obama was born outside the United States. I have searched for that evidence, as have many others including numerous highly experienced investigators, journalists etc. and it simply does not exist.
Is there clear and convincing evidence that he IS a natural born citizen? No. But that is not enough. There would have to be clear, convincing an absolutely unequivocal evidence that he is not a natural born citizen and that he has knowingly lied to us about it for all his adult life. Reported comments that he is of this country (Kenya) by relatives, suppose evaluations by forensic document examiners, and other such evidence, even if true, do not come anywhere near the requirement of being clear and convincing evidence.
You are free to disagree, but please accept the reality that no Supreme Court or Senate is ever going to remove a president from office on anything less than incontrovertible documentary evidence and personal testimony by reliable, unimpeachable witnesses willing to testify in open court that he was born in such a way or such a place that he is not a US citizen. That degree of evidence simply does not exist.... and even if it did, the Senate weenies would never have the political will to utilize it to remove our first (second?) Black President from office.
Forget trying to split the legal baby on the issue of what does native born means in a differentiation from natural born. The body of law demonstrates overwhelmingly that the courts recognize the overriding concept of two classes of citizenship. One is natural, the other is naturalized. Naturalized simply means to be made as if natural by an operation of law not circumstances, (such as the application for citizenship process) as opposed to being a citizen at the moment of ones birth, i.e. naturally. Anyone can argue all day long in opposition to that, but in reality in the year 2011, that's how any court is going to decide. Lawyers can argue the Earth is flat, too, with equal results.
Yes, I'm well aware of all the evidence of his application for scholarships self describing himself as a foreign citizen, his traveling to the Middle East with something other than a US passport and all the other indicators that the issue of US citizenship was at best a matter of convenience for him. That is not nearly enough to remove him from office. Likewise, any argument that he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British subject at the time of his birth is of very dubious legal foundation and new decision on it would ever become ripe before the Supreme Court within the next 3 to 4 years.
Of course, the most interesting point of all about Obamas citizenship is that if he is not a natural born citizen, , that is not a US citizen at all as he never went to any naturalization process but that is an issue for another time.
In considering the above, whether you agree or disagree, please remember the overriding facts, absent the type of evidence which does not exist, SCOTUS is never going to remove a sitting president. SCOTUS would undoubtedly follow a long-established legal precedent, and simply check the ball down the field, and refer the entire matter to the House and Senate for possible consideration of the impeachment process. And if anything was to be done, Obama and the other members of his coven would certainly delay the process for at least 2 to 3 years, well past the all-important 2012 General Election.... And again of course, even if Obama were to be removed, with Biden then in place, unfortunately cutting the head off the snake would not destroy the beast.
So the wooden stake through the heart issue simply becomes; we are mad as hell, not so much about his constitutional qualifications to hold office, but rather what the SOB has done in office! If we cannot get him out of office before January 20, 2013, how do we ensure that he is not president for one moment after high noon on that date.
One of the most important things to remember is what actually happens during elections.
Neither we Conservatives, nor the Liberals decide the General Election. The reality is that, even if there was an 8 x 10 glossy of him shooting Santa Claus on Christmas Eve, 40% of the electorate but still vote for Mr. Obama.
The Republican nominated candidate will also receive at least 40% of the vote, assuming he is not seen as drooling during the presidential debates.
The remaining 20% of the vote, the so-called swing voters, are the people who decide every election! To give you an idea how significant this is, please remember that in 1980, in what was often described as an earthquake election the late Ronald Reagan only received 51% of the vote. In 1984, when the choices were between Mr. Reagan and the far-left Mr. Mondale, President Reagan only got 58% of the vote. That's how important each 10th of a percentage point is among those all-important swing voters.
The swing voters could care less about the Constitutional issues. Those who are concerned with those issues are already in our camp. It is yesterday's issue.
You never win elections by trying to argue yesterday's issues. The classic example of this was the 1998 midterm congressional election. Mr. Clinton had been caught with his pants down regarding Ms. Lewinsky, and even admitted his guilt. Unfortunately the Republican national party decided to make that the centerpiece of their campaign, rather than the day-to-day issues that affected American citizens in their homes. That mistake cost us at least 42 seats in the House, numerous seats in the Senate, and forced the architect of that plan, Newt Gingrich, not just to resign his position as Speaker of the House but even from his Congressional seat as well.
The 2012 General Election is critically important to the future, even the continued existence, of the United States. Considering everything he is done in his 2 1/2 years in office, imagine how much bad he could do if he knew that another four years in office, and was not worried about reelection!
With that understood, the issue then becomes how do we nominate the most conservative electable candidate for the office of president in 2012. It does us no good to nominate some loudmouth, bomb-throwing candidate who will lose gloriously but also extremely convincingly. Equally important, we must convince the Republican National Committee to never again nominate another candidate like Bob Dole. Dole is a nice guy, a war hero, a reliable party Republican, and about as exciting as watching paint dry. Like McCain 12 years later, the Dole versus Clinton election was lost before the campaign really began. The vast majority of voters, the ones who never really looked at the issues, saw Clinton as kind of a nice guy, someone who could be a father figure without being overly oppressive. On the other hand, Dole was perceived, as McCain was, as harkening back to a long past generation, reminding everyone of an angry old man sitting on the porch, screaming at the kids to get off his lawn.
Beyond any other consideration, Dole was nominated in 1996 simply because he was a good, reliable party man and in the words of the Republican leadership in Washington, it was Bob's turn.
So the operative question becomes, how do we ensure that a reliable Conservative is nominated and elected. Failure to do either will be disaster for the country. Nominate a kook who attracts only the far-right wing of the party, and we will get the votes of only the far-right wing of the party. Elections are not a time to try to educate the voters as to what they should think and believe. We have to accept the fact that a majority of the voters are not as conservative as we are, and in all probability we will not get an electable nominee as conservative as we are.
On the other hand, nominate a candidate who is nothing but a RINO, and we only get, and best, partial relief from Obamaism. I
Please remember that the ONLY thing that counts is victory in the general election. Victory in the primary with a candidate who only ensures Obamas reelection is simply helping Obama get reelected. You may not like that reality, but third-party candidates, protest votes and other foolishness should have been left behind after we chose the sixth grade class president. Please remember; anything that does not help ensure Obamas defeat in 2012 is in fact helping Obama get reelected in 2012. It's like President Bush said regarding the War on Terrorism. You're either with us or against us. There is no middle ground.
The issue of Obamas constitutional qualifications will not help us win any votes with the 20% election-deciding swing voters. Those who have serious concerns about his constitutional qualifications are already in the 40% who will vote with us. Those of us who do not care about his constitutional qualifications are already in the 40% who already get a tingle up their leg (or another unnameable body part) each time he speaks, and would vote for him again even if he was proven to be the Manchurian Candidate.
The 20% who will decide the election will cast their votes based on their belief as to whether or not Obamas policies will help them or hurt them in their personal lives. The reality favors us in this case. They have seen and will continue to see that Obamas financial and economic policies are disaster. Blame Bush for everything has run its course and people are beginning to pin the tail on the true donkey. They have seen, or will have seen by election time, that Obamas foreign policies are an equally disastrous descent into far-left blame Israel for everything anti-Semitic hate coupled with his belief that America should be nothing more than an equal member of the world community, not the bright shining light on the hill as we have been in the past. They will see, or if they have not seen, that it is our responsibility to ensure that they do see that Obamas entire domestic policy is nothing more than race-baiting class warfare. The white guilt that many voters felt in the 2008 general election will have been replaced by a realization that Obamas playing upon our hugely overwrought racial guilt in order to be elected only set us up for a further declining decay of American society and our economic base.
But remember, it's not the constitutional issue that will convince voters of this. The 2012 General Election will be won, and the country saved, when the 20% swing voters realize that Obama is not acting in their best interests, and that they can safely depend upon the Republican nominee to do so.
The numbers are trending very much toward our ability to win convincingly in 2012, but any numerical advantage can be lost in a moment. We should be especially encouraged, that when questioned about reelecting Obama, approximately 25% of the voters described themselves as undecided. Historically, undecided voters break 80% against the incumbent. But don't be lulled into any sense of complacency by these polls. Polls can change in a moment, and we can be guaranteed that Obama will do things close to the election to try to swing the vote in his favor. Any poll you see now is simply being promoted by a news organization in the hopes of boosting ratings. No poll is ever reliably accurate until a few days before the election, and even then they can be very wrong. On election eve, 1980, Reagan and Carter were neck and neck race according to the polls. A week before the election in 2000, Bush was way ahead, and then the drunken driver story hit the headlines. Although it's always better to be ahead than behind, take no solace in the current polls. They are never anywhere near predicted this far out from election.
What does this all lead up to? It's very simple. We must never depend on the constitutional issue to help us win 2012. We must work hard, very hard, right now to ensure the nomination of a strong electable conservative. The words strong and electable are equally important. The candidate must be a strongly conservative as can pass muster with the general population, but at the same time must not be so conservative as to be red meat for the liberals who would use his strong conservatism to scare the voters.
2012 is very winnable, and therefore the country can be saved. In many ways, we face challenges no less daunting than the Minutemen of Lexington and Concord... and our contributions will be no less significant than the men who wintered-over with Washington at Valley Forge.
If you want your country back, ignore everything else other than the nomination and election of an strong electable conservative in 2012. Anything else is throwing our votes away... and throwing our votes away is helping Obama throw our country away.
I believe your quote was from Mr. Franklin.
I think you’re right: those who understand and care about the Constitution realize already Hussein is destroying the document.
Uh. If we have a General Election in 2012.
These are times which try men's souls.
The Supreme Court doesn’t want to touch this stinking pus bag of lies and deceit.
That is why they have ignored it as much as possible and why they continue to drag their feet.
They really hope to avoid the issue until Barack Obysmal is voted out of office or just leaves after two terms.
I would seriously doubt old Joe would keep many of the 0 liar socialists.
bill ayers said it best- steal a dead baby’S BC. try 1962 death records of BHO
Yes, it is...unless the socialists decide to eliminate (YES ELIMINATE) their candidate and plug Hillary into the hole and show off her motherly/nation-healing capabilities /HEAVY SARCASM. The 20% philosophically impaired (INDEPENDENTS) would fall right in line.
2012 is very winnable, and therefore the country can be saved.
DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.
The CB patriots. Citizen band network. A great plan, and should be very effective.
The Conservative Conversation. Calm, level headed Q&A sessions with your friends.
Encourage private firearms permitting within all of your friends and family. They don’t have to buy guns, but just get and maintain a permit that may be required by your local and state government.
Spend time correcting the lies that your friend and family are listening to. Daily, post up a response to Jon Stewart on your facebook page.
Keep yourself clean and free of scandal. Serve as a good example, and declare yourself a conservative and a rebel against the satanic, demonic trends of immorality.
We can win this. But overall, smile. Tyrants hate all of these things, and muslims hate it even more !
I would hope that folks on our side would write coherently.
It helps no cause to be perceived as an illiterate.
We will have a 2012 election. You sound like those crazy liberals in 2004 and 2008 who thought bush would never give up the presidency.
So you`re saying `Let`s get a conservative in the White House next election.`.... That was a long way to go to find out the store is closed...
So you`re saying `Let`s get a conservative in the White House next election.`.... That was a long way to go to find out the store is closed...
It is not the job of the Supreme court to remove the illegal President. That is the job of the Congress. The Supreme court has no authority to remove any elected official. As long as there are not 66 votes in the Senate to vote for removal, Obama is safe. That's reality. It is the senators of the Democrat Party and their RINO collaborators that are keeping the illegal alien President in office.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” Thomas Jefferson
Bush never gave anyone the indication that he was part of the One man, one vote, one time crowd. Obama's best friends are Presedentes for Life. He's not going peacefully.
Very interesting and very good presentation. I see at least two Pandora Boxes. 1) Obama’s eligibility for POTUSA along with other info such as SS number and any other fraud. I believe that at sometime in the scheme of things Obama must be held liable in these matters, the sooner the better because there are more than Obama involved. That is why I am not in favor of casting aside this mater. 2) All the actions taken to change the functioning of our Constitution. This box is certainly critical and need of attention as I take you believe. However, I believe it is an urgent necessity that the USA citizens know who/what has created both boxes because these forces will still be active.
I think you sum up things very well. However, I would still like to see 0bama’s presidency declared illegitimate, as that might be the best way to overturn his supreme court appointments and the legislation he has signed into law.
On the political front, we only need to point out is that everything 0bama has done has not improved the economy or our position in the world one bit.
Every talking point is straight from the DOJ.
Let’s say this loud and plain:
OBAMA POSTED TWO CLUMSILY FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES!!!!!
OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!!!
Patriots do not ignore this! Patriots do NOT shut up!
One more thing: Without a solid foundation of the rule of law and the Constitution, all the law degrees in this nation will be WORTHLESS. Why?
Answer: Because the only law that will matter will be that made by the fascist oligarchy.
After two terms we won’t be a sovereign Republic. We will be a solid embedded state in the United Nations.
Those who will not defend the rule of law and the Constitution are not conservatives.
By the next election, non-natural born citizen and possibly illegal alien will be able to become president. They has trashed our Constitution and it will be worthless.
It’s obvious that they are working to get this done so ‘it’ can get another term.
Just wait until Sarah declares.
She’ll know what to do.
Oh, Divine Providence, steel this woman’s heart and
family to do what needs be done.
Give her guidence in times of weakness and illuminate
her path into history.
>>OBAMA POSTED TWO CLUMSILY FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES!!!!!
OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!!!
Patriots do not ignore this! Patriots do NOT shut up!<<
Can you explain the inaction of all the supposed patriots on FR?
Due to the relentlessness of World Net Daily, posters on message boards, bloggers, You Tube video makers, and activists on social sites like Face Book, polls show the following:
June 26, 2011 (World Net Daily)
“Even among Democrats, more than one in four 28 percent said they now want an inquiry, as do 43 percent of independents and 77 percent of Republicans. Interestingly, men are much more skeptical than are women about the question of eligibility only 42 percent of men said they think Obama proved his eligibility by releasing the electronic birth certificate, compared to 59 percent of women.”
Drip! Drip! Drip!
Can you explain the inaction of all the supposed patriots on FR?
If you are referring to the afterbirther, in my opinion, they are paid trolls.
That should be: afterbirtherS
Please list all the present and realistically potential GOP candidates to whom you might be referring with this statement. That will help me immeasurably in evaluating your opinion piece. Thanks!
Good one MB.
Except that I, and a lot of others like me, will not vote for a RINO, no matter what the consequences. With a RINO in office we would be just as far “up the creek” as we would with Obama, except that we would still be fooling ourselves into thinking we weren’t.
ping, I want my wife to read this, thanks, MB
Very very interesting!
Call to arms “my friggin arse”
I call for the head and nothing less.
on the Supreme Court Docket (10-1351)is a case scheduled for a ruling the week of 26 Sept. It addresses the failure of a Democrat judge refusal to actually conduct a trial on his eligibility since he was sworn in by the time the filed the case. The brief cites numerous precedents of elected officials after being sworn in found not eligible and removed from elected office. It even includes a Governor being removed. So while they don’t like to create precedents they already have it.
Remove the Usurper and cities will burn—and everybody knows it.
Don’t count on it. Check the muslim’s record so far.
Number one, the whole premise of your article is already known to the majority of us. This same propaganda has been spewed to us how many times by the freaking commiecrat media?
Number two, the call for reasonable and calm conversation is condescending at best, you’re talking to us in the exact same manner as the Resident Dick in our White House.
Number three, WHEN ever has been speaking out the truth and bringing it to light on EVERY ISSUE, no matter how painful it may be to elitist snobs wishing us to stick our heads in the sand and SHUT UP, start being a REASONABLE request?
What you didn’t cover in your grand presentation is that we CANNOT have some mush-mouthed candidate that believes that COMPROMISE and political correctness BS pandering to the lying, cheating, thieving cabel of communists in our government is going to get somebody elected just because you THINK we have to toady to a minority of 25% ‘undecided’ voters. If they’re ‘undecided’ now as they’ve witnessed the almost total destruction of our country since January of 2007 by the very communists they helped elect and put there because they couldn’t make up their fraking mind who to vote for, what makes you think they’re going to elect any candiate that is going to slash and burn Washington, DC? Which is what is going to HAVE to happen to put our country back on track. Anything less is impotence!
So by telling me that I cannot call a spade a spade and that I have to pick some RINO that appeals to the 25% minority of voters who can’t seem to make up the mind in the face of GARGANTUAM EVIDENCE, simply doesn’t make sense.
The FACT is that we’re going to have to make McCarthyism look like a walk in the park in comparison to what HAS to happen in 2012, or this country is lost.
There’s no dispute as to whether Barry is a usurper or not.
He freely claims his father was a Kenyan. That makes him ineligible.
Of course he counts on the stupidity of the average dimocrat and the spineless nature of the repubs in charge and all other officials who should have disqualified him in 2008, to keep him in office without a word about his father being foreign.
Oh we get the odd “where was he born” question, Obama jokes about having to plaster his BC to his forehead, etc.
But no one just says the plain big truth about his parentage disqualifying him.
Of course they don’t, why he’s got enough of a tan to be above questions and Constitutional standards!
He will of course fulfill his 4 year term.
Much as it pains us, he will.
He’ll be tossed out by the voters in the 2012 election.
(If not, we are truly doomed.)
Even if what u said was true, would it help us get rid of Obama any sooner? All it does is focus attention on that which will have no result, just anger and rants.
I agree. I find it difficult to calmly apply conventional political wisdom to this election. Even in the most normal election season, the unpredictable can’t be factored. We’re already in absolute economic dire times, and patience is thin everywhere... not the easiest time to relax with traditional formulas.
So I’m for leaving no stone unturned. To achieve our goal, conservatives must remain alert, vigilant and engaged.
“Remove the Usurper and cities will burn-and everybody knows it.”
I’m afraid you are right. Fortunately, I live in a low black population area. I am waiting for Hispanics to do something.
Trust me, I would never ask you to be calm or reasonable.
If a RINO is nominated, you, I and the other Conservaties here will have no one to blame but ourselves.
The secret to electing a Conservative in 2012 is first nominating a Conservative, and to do that, we must work our butts off now in the primaries and caucus states.
The efforts needed to accomplish this will pale compared to Valley Forge, Cowpens, Belleau Wood, Normandy, Pork Chop Hill, Tet and otherwise. If we fail, we have only ourselves to blame.
Yada, yada, yada.
As stated, anyone who would be influenced by that argument is already in our camp. Do you want to waste your breath shouting it over and over again.... or would you rather speak quietly and logically about issues swing voters care about, and help defeat Obama in 2012?
But neither the Courts nor Congress will touch the issue, and if they did, it would easily be another 24-36 months before it was finished. Let’s concentrate on the electoral process to have Obama retired and living in Iran 24 months from now.
Good, you learned that condescending doesn’t work.
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