Posted on 07/03/2011 4:04:58 PM PDT by chessplayer
Go back to DU fool.
Isn’t it about bedtime there in Europe? We are getting ready to celebrate getting rid of England tomorrow,,, i got to go get some charcoal and fireworks.
Looks like you've been smoking some troll on this thread!
I had kind of a funny experience (well, at least it was funny to me) with my introduction to Howard Zinn…
My departed mother-in-law was, in life, a major-league liberal. She was a community organizer type of liberal. Now, I didn’t know this about her before I married my wife, but it wouldn’t have made a difference to me.
As the years went on, both my viewpoints and her viewpoints became known to each of us… and we entered a phase where she would say things deliberately to get a response out of me (or to see if I would just sit and say nothing)
Needless to say, I wasn’t about to sit and get baited by my mother-in-law, so I gave back in like kind when she initiated something. This went on for a relatively short period of time, then we kind of came to a mutual understanding. Neither one of us said a thing, but the understanding was there nonetheless that we would keep the peace by keeping our tongue. Not to say she wouldn’t occasionally poke at me (or me at her) but after that, that was pretty much all it was. I was kind of got the impression she was doing it just to see if I would stand up for myself.
In any case, I received a Christmas present from her one particular year. She knew that I was a history buff, and I read history prodigiously, so it was no surprise to me when I opened one of her Christmas presents and saw a history book. It was a fairly good-sized glossy volume, and I figured I’d put my feet up when I got home and begin reading.
When I got home, I opened the book up and began reading. At first, I was puzzled. “What the heck is this?” I read little bit further, and got even more perplexed. “What the hell kind of book is this?” I thought to myself.
I immediately begin skipping through the book, preferentially stopping in key areas in American history. As I reached each section, I would read sometimes only a sentence, or occasionally a paragraph. After I had been through multiple sections in this manner, I stood up angrily and exclaimed “screw this piece of crap!”
I walked out in the garage and through the book in the trash.
The name of the book was “The People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.
I was appalled. I had never seen a history book quite like that one. I was even more disturbed to find out later that this was an actual textbook used in public school classrooms all over the country. I’m still appalled at that thought.
In retrospect, it popped into my mind almost immediately as I was throwing the book in the trash, that this was perhaps my mother-in-law poking her finger in my eye. After a few more seconds of contemplation, I guessed that was not the case.
Knowing how my mother-in-law shops, particularly for Christmas presents, this book was almost undoubtedly on the bargain bookshelf at the front of the Borders bookstore when she walked in. I’d be willing to bet that she didn’t pay more than a few dollars for, because I doubt you could find it inside the store at regular price.
So, every time I hear the name Howard Zinn, I think of the anti-American far left political screed that was his book, that I had the pleasure to throw into a garbage can.
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ABC can say it all they want. I'll never watch a second of their propaganda.
We can all see where the Left stands, against America and everything we stand for.
Zer0 transparency.
Zer0 responsibility.
Zer0 accountability.
Countdown until Obama leaves Office: 568 days as of July 1, 2011.
Vegas,,, it makes me mad for anyone to be talking like that THIS weekend. Why can’t this be the weekend when we are sure that we are good,,, and they caused all the problenms on earth?
Arguably, this had already happened in some ways, because some historians have pointed out that Justice Mansfield's 1774 ruling, which had declared slavery in England illegal and had released James Somersfield from the ownership of his American master, had put the wind up a lot of American planters, and pushed them towards supporting independence before this abolitionist legal precedent could be extended to the colonies...
"The change within Baltimore is part only of a far wider change. When the war began, three years ago, neither party, nor any man, expected it would last till now. Each looked for the end, in some way, long ere to-day. Neither did any anticipate that domestic slavery would be much affected by the war. But here we are; the war has not ended, and slavery has been much affected---how much needs not now to be recounted. So true is it that man proposes, and God disposes.
"But we can see the past, though we may not claim to have directed it; and seeing it, in this case, we feel more hopeful and confident for the future.
"The world has never had a good definition of the word liberty, and the American people, just now, are much in want of one. We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatable things, called by the same name---liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names---liberty and tyranny.
"The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as a liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty, especially as the sheep was a black one. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails to-day among us human creatures, even in the North, and all professing to love liberty. Hence we behold the processes by which thousands are daily passing from under the yoke of bondage, hailed by some as the advance of liberty, and bewailed by others as the destruction of all liberty. Recently, as it seems, the people of Maryland have been doing something to define liberty; and thanks to them that, in what they have done, the wolf's dictionary, has been repudiated." Here.
Yeah, we fought and won a war with our blood so we could flush the likes of you every morning....got any other questions?
It's trolling FRiend, don't let it get to you.
WE know what it's all about, I got your back.
I hope you have a happy independence day. I'm just pointing out that history is rarely ever black and white. With the benefit of hindsight, The American War of Independence led to the creation of one of the greatest countries on earth and a bastion of freedom that in many ways has remained truer to John Locke's philosophy of individual rights and freedom from government tyranny than that of the country were John Locke himself was born, lived and died...
I assume that the “historian” Brinkley immediately slapped Donvan down by replying that only a fool thinks you judge historical events by applying the standards of contemporary mores and times to a revolution that happened 235 years ago?
Probably not.
You must be a dumb ass Brit, you're still a slave and you don't even recognize it.
Like I said, DUMB ASS BRIT
Nope, not really. Just the satisfaction of knowing that you have no meaningful way of repudiating any of what I said, only snidey remarks and personal attacks. At least DesertRhino actually tried to engage with my points...
Bull shit, truth is truth and there is no changing the facts......unless little trolls like you come along and try and cloud the facts with innuendo and liberal talking points.
“Go back to DU fool.”
Now that comment sounds like a comment a DUer would make to anyone who disagrees with them,,,except they would say go back to FR fool.
Nah, she was probably messing with you.
You should send her gifts of books by Steyn and Coulter.
Yeah, I saw your arguments, troll.....go bow to your king and queen, serf.
Did you see the post I responded to before you made that stupid post?
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