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Voter ID laws in TX, GA, SC (history of voting rights discrimination) concern Dems
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2011 | PETE YOST, AP

Posted on 07/05/2011 1:11:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON — Sixteen Democratic senators want the Justice Department to look into whether voting rights are being jeopardized in Texas and other states that require photo identification in order for people to vote.

The lawmakers wrote Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday to express concern that millions of voters do not have a government-issued ID - particularly older people, racial minorities, low-income voters and students.

The senators say the photo ID requirements have the potential to block millions of eligible people from exercising their right to vote.

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said the department is monitoring, as it routinely does, this type of legislative activity in the states.

"We urge you to protect the voting rights of Americans by using the full power of the Department of Justice to review these voter identification laws and scrutinize their implementation," the senators said in the letter to the attorney general.

The 16 senators include.......

"Many of these laws effectively disenfranchise thousands of eligible voters," Bennet said in a statement.

The senators are seeking vigorous enforcement of the Voting Rights Act and federal civil rights law, which bars different standards from being applied to individuals within a jurisdiction. Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act gives the Justice Department significant authority to review laws before they are implemented in states with a history of discriminatory voting practices. Three states subject to Section 5 - Georgia, Texas and South Carolina - require a photo ID in order to vote. Texas and South Carolina enacted their laws last month.

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On the Fourth of July, E.J Dionne had a few things to say to "anti-government zealots" about Federal vs States rights in an OpEd titled, "What Our Declaration Really Said."

E.J. Dionne called out the Tea Party saying, "Whether they intend it or not, their name suggests they believe that the current elected government in Washington is as illegitimate as was a distant, unelected monarchy..."

Next E.J. Dionne challenged Texas Gov. Rick Perry and his 10th Amendment focus, ...."This misunderstanding of our founding document is paralleled by a misunderstanding of our Constitution. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Gov. Rick Perry of Texas said recently."

Dionne continues, "No, our Constitution begins with the words "We the People" not "We the States."........."I know states' rights advocates revere the 10th Amendment. But when the word "states" appears in the Constitution, it typically is part of a compound word, "United States," or refers to how the states and their people will be represented in the national government. We learned it in elementary school: The Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation to create a stronger federal government, not a weak confederate government. Perry's view was rejected in 1787, and again in 1865....."

1 posted on 07/05/2011 1:11:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How difficult or expensive is it to get one of these government issued ID cards? I thought voting versions were being issued for free.


2 posted on 07/05/2011 1:18:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wisconsin just passed photo voter ID too. (Don't see Section 5 being whipped out for Wisconsin).

This challenge is a frace -- there isn't any discrimination about this -- if it's SO HARD to get the proper ID, it will be provided.

But note the groups they say are being disenfranchised: " older people, racial minorities, low-income voters and students.."

It's blatant demagoguery.

3 posted on 07/05/2011 1:25:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Then i should be able to get a passport or drivers license without ID. Why are they more important than the vote?


4 posted on 07/05/2011 1:49:01 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Hell!

I have a picture on my Sam’s Club membership card.


5 posted on 07/05/2011 1:50:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And the historical voting discrimination was mainly by the Jackasses.


6 posted on 07/05/2011 2:12:28 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: rfp1234
Now those Jackassess have a new way to capitalize on racism (adding old people, students and the poor) by claiming that conservatives want to keep you from voting.

Well, actually it's to allow for voter fraud (ballot box stuffing).

They REALLY just say all that stuff so conservatives will flinch and cower (Great read).

7 posted on 07/05/2011 2:25:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Once again, the damn Yankees trashing the South. They say nothing about Wisconsin. Maybe they should say: “If we have photo IDs required, RATs will only be able to vote once.”

STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE SOUTH.


8 posted on 07/05/2011 2:35:28 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Those states are planning to descriminate against non-citizen voters! oh the humanity


9 posted on 07/05/2011 2:42:35 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

“The U.S. Justice Department urged the courts to overturn the Arizona law, saying it conflicts with the National Voter Registration Act. That federal law allows people to submit a mail-in voter registration card and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury.”


10 posted on 07/05/2011 3:02:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The senators say the photo ID requirements have the potential to block millions of eligible people from exercising their right to vote.

The Democrats need to embrace a broad based effort to facilitate voter ID for all the people. It is not expensive; many volunteer organizations would gladly help; and it would settle the issue of corrupt voters. Personal ID cards for people without a driver's license are easily available and in common use today in many states.

11 posted on 07/05/2011 3:02:33 AM PDT by olezip
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To: olezip

Exactly!

The Dems just want to tell Republicans to “JUMP” and then laugh at them when they ask, “How high?”


12 posted on 07/05/2011 3:04:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The lawmakers wrote Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday to express concern that millions of voters do not have a government-issued ID - particularly older people, racial minorities, low-income voters and students.

How do Holder's People cash checks, drive cars, get unemployment, get employment, go to emergency rooms, etc?

FUEH

13 posted on 07/05/2011 3:04:58 AM PDT by hattend (Let's all meet Sarah at her last bus stop -- 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Jan 2013)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You need a photo ID to apply for and cash Social Security (old people) and welfare (poor people/often minority). Not exactly a hardship there.


14 posted on 07/05/2011 3:06:33 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: wiggen
A passport provides an efficient way for you to prove your citizenship for re-entering the country. You are still free to leave the country, but re-entering the U.S. (unless, of course, you just hike across the border -- but that's a whole different thread) is a b1tch without a passport.

Your driver's license is the government's permission for you to exercise the privilege of driving on public roadways (no, driving is NOT a right).

The left's problem with photo ID is that it constrains illegal voting, and that applicants generally have to have a body temp above ambient to get one.

15 posted on 07/05/2011 3:06:43 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Here in GA, you can get the ID at the driver’s license office or at the county registrar’s office.

The driver’s license offices here have been a wonder for at least a decade. The offices are as quick and efficient as could be. It has amazed me the last few times I’ve interacted with them.

GA has more counties than most states, a relic from when they made counties small enough that a farmer could get to the county seat in a day’s ride. Therefore out in the boondocks, the county registrar’s offices are relatively accessible.

So to summarize, it ought to be easy as could be to get that ID, and it is free. The loud whining is because the whole thing makes voter fraud more difficult, nothing more.

And further, this whine about “PAST HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATORY VOTING PRACTICES!” makes it seem like nothing has changed in the last 50 years in these states, which is pure bunk, and offensive as could be. It is long past time for our elections to be allowed the same latitude as, say, Pennsylvania. Black people simply have no problem voting.

The change for the worse is that real discriminatory voting practices, like allowing black thugs with nightsticks to intimidate white voters, are ignored by the highest law enforcement authority in the country.


16 posted on 07/05/2011 3:14:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am being disenfranchised when people are able to vote multiple times, or people who are ineligible to vote are able to vote, or people who simply don’t exist are able to vote.

But Democrats don’t care about MY rights. They’re perfectly happy to see my vote canceled out many times over because I am not a member of a protected minority.


17 posted on 07/05/2011 3:28:33 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“You have no right to ask me for my drivers license, officer. I am an Australian witch and am not responsible for your earthy traffic laws.”


18 posted on 07/05/2011 3:42:16 AM PDT by conservativeimage.com ("Uh, let me be clear. Uh." - President Barack Obama)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If liberals are so concerned about disenfranchisement, they should have shown this concern when they were rejecting overseas military votes the past few elections.


19 posted on 07/05/2011 4:15:48 AM PDT by eaglestar
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The senators say the photo ID requirements have the potential to block millions of eligible people from exercising their right to vote.”

Just have them use the same IDs they have to use to collect their taxpayer-funded benefits.


20 posted on 07/05/2011 4:24:27 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act gives the Justice Department significant authority to review laws before they are implemented in states with a history of discriminatory voting practices.”

This is a breathtaking usurpation of our Constitution. An agency of the national government gets to review State Law before implementation?

Not only is there no such power, but our Framers considered and rejected Congressional veto of State Laws. IOW, the States considered granting this power to the national government and refused to do so after long debate.


21 posted on 07/05/2011 4:36:01 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

The 1964 “Voting Rights Act” was to have expired but the Left keeps resuscitating it and the Republicans won’t stand up to them!


22 posted on 07/05/2011 4:43:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: eaglestar
If liberals are so concerned about disenfranchisement, they should have shown this concern when they were rejecting overseas military votes the past few elections.

Yes! Yes!

June 24, 2011 RE: Legislative Implementation of the federal Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act and the Impact on the Texas Election Calendar

23 posted on 07/05/2011 4:48:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: NTHockey
as I recall, the party in power who was doing all the discriminating and vote fixing and rights deigning as the DEMOCRAT party, the party of slavery and segregation.
24 posted on 07/05/2011 5:04:47 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But those millions of people that do not have ID have plenty of time and nothing but themselves to prevent them from getting ID’s
Their fault not the laws...........


25 posted on 07/05/2011 5:05:36 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“thought voting versions were being issued for free.”

I’m not sure about the other states, but GA will issue them for free and that is one reason the GA law should hold up in the courts.. Unfortunately, for the democrats, one must be a LEGAL citizen to vote and this does leave out the tens of thousands of ILLEGALS who reside in GA. THIS is what’s torquing off the whiners who wrote the letter.


26 posted on 07/05/2011 5:06:33 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
.....Their fault not the laws...........

Now you're blaming the "victims." Usual conservative, knee-jerk reaction. /S

27 posted on 07/05/2011 5:07:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

what needs to be done, is be finger printed, and have the the machine scan your prints and turn on only if you have not voted...this will keep the dead people from voting...


28 posted on 07/05/2011 5:10:59 AM PDT by jrd
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How do you get registered to vote without ID?


29 posted on 07/05/2011 5:30:04 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...millions of voters do not have a government-issued ID - particularly older people, racial minorities, low-income voters and students.

Other than this letter being totally ridiculous, every student ID I've seen has their picture on it.

As the article mentions, we just passed a Voter ID law here in South Carolina. (Governor Nikki Halley - YES!!)

I've been working the polls for years. 95% of voters are already using their driver's license for ID. SC has a state ID that looks like a driver's license and some voters use that as well.

When the ID law was being debated, the RATS said, "These people have no money to pay for an ID!" So the law has a provision that those folks can get a taxpayer funded (the RATS consider that "free") state ID. Then the RATS said, "These are poor people. How will they get to the DMV to get their free ID?"

RATS are mentally ill.

30 posted on 07/05/2011 5:58:13 AM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What they're misrepresenting is a driver's license not being attainable for various reasons for certain people (language..age..etc) when in fact, you can obtain an ID card which is not a driver's license from the DMV. Anyone can obtain one of these ID cards when you produce the correct documents. My son did this when he was 10.
31 posted on 07/05/2011 6:11:11 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: FreedomPoster
GA has more counties than most states, a relic from when they made counties small enough that a farmer could get to the county seat in a day’s ride.

Many native Georgia residents tell me that it's a state constitutional requirement.

The "constitutional requirement" story is a myth according to this lengthy but interesting explanation of why only Texas has more counties than Georgia. According to the history, not only is the "constitutional requirement" a myth, but "convenience of the people" is generally a myth, too. Georgia has so many counties because of politics and political spoils.

Georgia had only 89 counties in 1835. By the 1870s, there were 137. Splitting an existing county or counties to create a new county merely required legislative vote in those days. According to the article I linked above, the creation of new counties was often for political spoil:

In some cases, influential legislators from a “lesser city” were able to divide their county in two, making their hometown a prestigious new county seat. New counties also meant a slew of new jobs, not just for sheriffs, deputies, judges and clerks, but jobs for constructing new government buildings, running telegraph stations and the like. County seats also attracted railroads, which meant hotels and taverns and shops. Since Georgia was largely rural at the time, a new county could also bring things like police protection and court services much closer to home.

Sometimes petty squabbles were involved: when the voters of Clarke County voted to move the county seat from Watkinsville to Athens, miffed Watkinsville residents created Oconee County so that their city would remain important.

It wasn't until 1877 that the Georgia Constitution froze the number of counties at 137. Then there were a couple of constitutional amendments to increase the number of counties. Finally, during the Depression, almost-bankrupt Milton County and bankrupt Campbell County voted to merge with Fulton County.

But I digress, and Georgia has 159 counties, second only to Texas's 254.

Perhaps Georgia has as many counties as it does perhaps more because of a system of political spoils than to make things convenient for farmers and other Georgia residents.

32 posted on 07/05/2011 6:18:05 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m sure Holder will take a very close look at this. Black Panthers standing outside a polling booth with baseball bats: Holder says no problem, nothing to see here, move along. Requiring a simple photo i.d. to vote: discrimination! Let’s sue another state like we did Arizona!

By the way anyone on food stamps / welfare / unemployment assistance at any time during the 12 months before the date of an election should be barred from voting in the first place, period. Conflict of interest.


33 posted on 07/05/2011 6:32:11 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: NTHockey

Pass a constitutional amendment allowing poll taxes. $50 to vote in any federal election, and tie it to the consumer price index. The Rats will still pack buses of their welfare constituents to take them to the polls, but at least it will cost the DNC a ton of “street money” that they would have otherwise used on their candidate.


34 posted on 07/05/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

EJ will make somebody a good houseboy one day.


35 posted on 07/05/2011 6:47:37 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Jared Lee Loughner - Disciple of Michael Moore)
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To: Niteranger68

He’s a parasite.

When the Left owns it all, E.J. will no longer be useful.


36 posted on 07/05/2011 6:58:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: crusader71
I’m sure Holder will take a very close look at this. Black Panthers standing outside a polling booth with baseball bats: Holder says no problem, nothing to see here, move along. Requiring a simple photo i.d. to vote: discrimination! Let’s sue another state like we did Arizona!

Because Holder told us, (paraphrasing) "Historically, you have not been oppressed, so I will not protect you like I do my people."

37 posted on 07/05/2011 7:00:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Scoutmaster

Your summary is quite probably so. In any case, getting a voter ID if you don’t have a DL is trivial and free, and the only reason for all the objections is voter fraud.

On a related note, all this extended voting / easy absentee voting needs to come to an end as well. It drives up election costs (something few governments can afford) and increases the opportunities for shenanigans.


38 posted on 07/05/2011 7:10:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Georgia Girl 2

Here you go Georgia Girl 2. We knew it was coming.


39 posted on 07/05/2011 7:16:50 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Think of all the money GA could save by reducing the number of counties to between 30-50.
40 posted on 07/05/2011 7:17:19 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Whether they intend it or not, their name suggests they believe that the current elected government in Washington is as illegitimate as was a distant, unelected monarchy..."

That seems to sum up my feelings pretty good...

41 posted on 07/05/2011 7:37:24 AM PDT by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: Edgerunner

Sure walks like a duck.


42 posted on 07/05/2011 7:50:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: FreedomPoster
In any case, getting a voter ID if you don’t have a DL is trivial and free, and the only reason for all the objections is voter fraud.

Let's face it. My summary of the creation of Georgia's counties was irrelevant to the topic of this thread. I simply found it interesting.

There are a few - a very, very few - people for whom getting a vote ID is perhaps more than trivial. It would be interesting to see statistics on the number of people actually effected.

I know that there are elderly individuals who no longer have driver's licenses and whose pension and other checks are auto-deposited. They may not have photo IDs.

Will the Democrats admit that it was the Democrat Party that put in place all of the obstacles to prevent Blacks from voting in and around the Jim Crow era?

43 posted on 07/05/2011 8:18:02 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

The DOJ tried to stop GA over a year ago from instituting the ID requirement but we beat them on it. We had a great Sec of State.


44 posted on 07/05/2011 8:21:31 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: W. W. SMITH
Think of all the money GA could save by reducing the number of counties to between 30-50.

Yep. But (just like "it's for the children") think of the number of nepotistic jobs that would be lost, and political favors and politically connected contracts that couldn't be awarded. Think of the number of people who couldn't supplement their income by being County Commissioners, the number of school board members, parks and recreation directors, and other political positions that weren't available.

Wouldn't that be a shame?

45 posted on 07/05/2011 8:37:49 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’d venture to say that every person on SSI, welfare or other gov bennies has a valid photo ID. They have to show ID to buy booze, ciggies and many other things. Photo ID requirements are in place to stop voter fraud, which is why dims are against it.


46 posted on 07/05/2011 8:42:01 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: hattend

How do they go through security at the Airport without a Photo ID?


47 posted on 07/05/2011 9:06:29 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

E.J. looks like he has AIDS.


48 posted on 07/05/2011 9:07:50 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: NTHockey

i’ll second that!


49 posted on 07/05/2011 9:24:46 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Sixteen Democratic senators . . . wrote Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday to express concern that millions of voters do not have a government-issued ID - particularly older people, racial minorities, low-income voters and students.”

Then how do they sign up for food stamps, WIC, government housing, Medicaid, SSI, government cheese, etc., etc.?


50 posted on 07/05/2011 9:44:20 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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