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Redacted F&F e-mail possibly tells more than it was supposed to(gunwalker)
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 4 July, 2011 | Dave Workman

Posted on 07/05/2011 4:41:42 AM PDT by marktwain

As the two Washingtons get back to business following the July 4 weekend festivities, and Operation Fast and Furious documents resume their flow from the Department of Justice to Senator Charles Grassley, it may be a good time to ask about a heavily redacted e-mail exchange obtained by the senator and offered as an attachment to testimony he provided to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

The e-mails, dated Oct. 22, 23, 26 and 27, 2009 appear under the heading “Attachment 4” in Grassley’s attachments and they clearly show a couple of things. First, Operation Fast and Furious — now the object of two Capitol Hill inquiries including Grassley’s and the other by Congressman Darrell Issa — was a product solely of the Obama administration. Second, a lot of people knew apparently knew about it, or at least the strategy that was the basis for the botched operation.

The e-mail exchange has several names redacted, but there are some significant identifiable names who were evidently in on the creation of what was dubbed the “Department’s new strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels.”

“On October 26, 2009, emails indicate that there was a meeting of senior law enforcement officials at the Justice Department. It appears to have included the heads every law enforcement component of the Department, including directors of the FBI, the DEA and the ATF. It also included the U.S. Attorneys for all the Southwest border states, the Director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force, and the Chair of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker
Email is forever.
1 posted on 07/05/2011 4:41:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I hope the liberal press hires as many people to look into this story as it did into the Palin e-mails. No, I’m not holding my breath.


2 posted on 07/05/2011 4:44:49 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (``Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it``-Pope John Paul II)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
3 posted on 07/05/2011 5:00:08 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Darkwolf377

CBS did some great coverage, hope they follow through


4 posted on 07/05/2011 5:00:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
This insanity of a quid pro quo is posted later in the article:

Last Friday, a source in Grassley’s office confirmed that Justice Department documents had started to arrive at Grassley’s office. That was part of an apparent arrangement, discussed by this column, that freed up three DOJ nominations in exchange for the release of the requested documents.

No doubt the unrelated event of Attorney General Holder dropping most of his CIA torture investigations have a similar quid pro quo.

Republicans have no spine. Holder and others need to go to jail.

5 posted on 07/05/2011 5:25:52 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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Fairly scant offering today...

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Man's arrest outside Live Oak spurs lawsuit

Voter ID laws in TX, GA, SC (history of voting rights discrimination) concern Dems

Brockton man killed fleeing gunfire

Obama And The U.N. Trying To Delay Texas’ Execution Of Humberto Leal

An open letter to 'Gunwalker underpants gnome' Jon Stewart

6 posted on 07/05/2011 5:34:16 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: marktwain
Please, oh please, let there be ONE email with a 'cc' or 'bcc' to:
President, White House. And to: DOJ, U.S. AG Holder.
And one to the Brady Bunch for icing on the cake.
That'll be it for all of them.

The NAACP and every race hustler will be screaming Racism & Lynching for targeting (pun intended) Barry and Holder. And cities will all burn. But if that's how it's to be, let it be so.

Lock and Load time's been a comin' anyway.

7 posted on 07/05/2011 5:35:57 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: marktwain

so when are obstruction charges filed?


8 posted on 07/05/2011 5:39:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

I used to contend that the great irony of the information age would be that nothing would be remembered.

Seems I’m being proven wrong. No info goes away if anyone wishes it would.


9 posted on 07/05/2011 5:44:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: XHogPilot

Grassley: ‘Very High Up’ DOJ Officials in on ATF Gun Sting

Monday, 04 Jul 2011 06:25 PM

By Martin Gould and Kathleen Walter

Senior Justice Department officers were warned that plans to track guns to Mexican drug kingpins were doomed to failure, veteran Republican Sen. Charles Grassley has revealed in an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV.

And, he said, high-ranking members of the department were briefed on the Operation Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner as far back as October 2009.

But Grassley says he does not want anyone to resign just yet until Congress has got to the bottom of the whole issue.

“I’m not asking for anybody’s resignation at this point because somebody resigns and then they want you to believe that’s the end of it,” he said. “There are too many people involved in it for me to be satisfied with one resignation.”

Read more on Newsmax.com: Grassley: ‘Very High Up’ DOJ Officials in on ATF Gun Sting


10 posted on 07/05/2011 5:45:14 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Darkwolf377
Did you see the ad in Huffington Post for people to help decipher the emails? Yeah, neither did I.
11 posted on 07/05/2011 5:49:19 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Condor51

If this goes on long enough, they can probably get Holder (who certainly knew about it and authorized the operation), but they will never link it to “O”. Holder will fall on his sword first.


12 posted on 07/05/2011 5:56:02 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: GoldenPup
I don't know. Holder seems whiny to me. I'm thinking that whine might get a whole lot louder when he sees Obama chucking him under that famous bus.
13 posted on 07/05/2011 5:58:31 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: marktwain
Second, a lot of people knew apparently knew about it, or at least the strategy that was the basis for the botched operation.

This is the latest meme that I'm seeing about this case. Calling it a "botched operation" or a failed operation. By the testimony of some of the people in charge of this operation, they intentionally allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico, in fact arming Mexican cartels. This was their intention and their biggest problem is that they were caught prior to the time when they could use their new created "gun data" to infringe on the rights of the American citizen.

14 posted on 07/05/2011 6:26:00 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: bcsco
Fairly scant offering today...

Scant but of great interest.

15 posted on 07/05/2011 6:31:32 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: TheOldLady

Thursday is when I’d appreciate such scant pings. That’s the morning of my Kiwanis breakfast meeting. But I usually have to keep up on the ping list throughout Wednesday because it seldom fails that Thursday is a busy post. The ping list gods are against me...


16 posted on 07/05/2011 6:39:19 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco
The ping list gods are against me...

Yeah, well. You have to do the little dance and burn the candles. Didn't they tell you that when you established your ping list? Heads should roll!

17 posted on 07/05/2011 6:59:32 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: TheOldLady

Not griping. It’s no big deal. It’s just fluky that the list usually grows on Thursdays. So, I’ve learned to ‘work ahead’ on Wednesdays to compensate. The first week in the month is just a little harder because I have to get our monthly newsletter out before the meeting, as well.


18 posted on 07/05/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: TheOldLady; bcsco

The Pinglist Godz demand sacrifice, they are capricious and are related to the typo godz.

How are you two today?


19 posted on 07/05/2011 7:53:14 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare; bcsco

Hey, Darks. I’m just fine, thank you. Bcsco seems to be a bit challenged by the ping list gods, but he’ll probably be all right since he’s a good guy.

What’s up? Or uploaded, as the case may be.


20 posted on 07/05/2011 8:01:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Darksheare; TheOldLady

Good. How was your holiday? Nothing special here except the grilled ribs we had last night. And with our first fresh ears of corn. My wife’s taking a few days off thru tomorrow. Today she’s helping a neighbor friend clean her yard. The neighbor’s 93 and is not as spry as she has been. Me, I’m paying some bills, then will work on the gas grill. The lines are plugged up and need a good cleaning. We’ve been using our little Weber charcoal grill instead.

That neighbor, it was her husband who got me in Kiwanis. Fellow church members, he got after me some years ago and it worked. He’s gone now, and she’s by herself. Julie likes to transport her around, shopping and what not. It gets her out of the house.

Well, you asked how we are. I doubt you expected this earful... :)


21 posted on 07/05/2011 8:05:07 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco; Darksheare

Pretty boring around here too. Hubby assembled and customized a work bench for my craft room. We had cheese and crackers for dinner with smoked oysters on the side. We’re out in the middle of nowhere, so it was quiet. We watched some TV shows from our DVD collection.

It’s nice of you to look after your elderly neighbor. God bless you.

Earful? You hardly got started.

But guys, we are hijacking this thread. ;-p


22 posted on 07/05/2011 8:23:47 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: marktwain

” Last Friday, a source in Grassley’s office confirmed that Justice Department documents had started to arrive at Grassley’s office. That was part of an apparent arrangement, discussed by this column, that freed up three DOJ nominations in exchange for the release of the requested documents.”

I am not expecting any substantial results from this investigation. They are still trading Cheerios for Frosted Flakes.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 8:25:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: bcsco; TheOldLady

I got off work at 0600 Monday, went home and tried to get stuff together to go BBQ to death some burgers.
We’d planned ot head to High Point NJ, but that site was full.
So we rerouted to Stokes State Forest.
After making armor plating we went home to find out two of our neighbors rented/hired pro fireworks displays.

Today I go for an eye exam.
[Hey Mr. D-sheare, you’re blind! Lemme focus this bright light in your eyes..]
Wish me luck.


24 posted on 07/05/2011 8:58:18 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare; TheOldLady

Well, good luck with the eye exam. Ironically our annual exams are tomorrow. I’ll be getting new bi-focals since our dog chewed the earpieces off my current pair last week...


25 posted on 07/05/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Darksheare

Oh gosh, Darks! Good luck. Your eyes have to be all right, so I pray that they are.


26 posted on 07/05/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: marktwain

Very interesting that some names are redacted but others in high levles of power are not.That just sets my red flags off.HMMM just who would be more powerful than the heads of all of these govenment agencies?Hmm would that be the whitehouse occupant? Yes and I paid for those computers and the person using them’s salary I want the name on the emails!


27 posted on 07/05/2011 9:43:44 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: bcsco; TheOldLady

+3 left eye, +2.25 right eye.
*sigh*


28 posted on 07/05/2011 10:53:16 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: marktwain
It's amusing - they've redacted some names, but not their titles - see page 13. "XXXXXX Director, OCEDETF" - that'll be the director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force at the DEA, currently listed at AllGov as Thomas W. Padden. The "Director, USMS," is Stacia Hylton, nominated on September 17, 2010 and confirmed in December.
29 posted on 07/05/2011 12:21:45 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: marktwain

As I have said from the beginning, this goes all the way to Obama and his aspirations to get more gun control.


30 posted on 07/05/2011 12:24:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: marktwain
Related ATF History Note:

On April Fool’s Day, 1927, Treasury elevated the Prohibition Unit to bureau status within the department.

Coincidence?
31 posted on 07/05/2011 12:40:01 PM PDT by publiusF27
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To: mvpel
It's amusing - they've redacted some names, but not their titles - see page 13. "XXXXXX Director, OCEDETF" - that'll be the director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force at the DEA, currently listed at AllGov as Thomas W. Padden. The "Director, USMS," is Stacia Hylton, nominated on September 17, 2010 and confirmed in December.

It is amusing. Still it is not good to be complacent. Just because the opposition is stupid, doesn't mean that they are not extremely dangerous.

32 posted on 07/05/2011 1:52:14 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Thank you Dave Workman. This makes my day.


33 posted on 07/05/2011 2:54:45 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: Durus

Yes, Durus. It was not a botched operation as folks would understand that to mean.

It was botched only in the sense that the incompetent proponents of it got caught.


34 posted on 07/05/2011 2:57:01 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: Darksheare

Left -1.75, Right -2.50. Very nearsighted.

I see you’re farsighted. Does the *sigh* mean that you’re going to have a problem with your plans?


35 posted on 07/05/2011 2:57:11 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: TheOldLady

Nearsighted.
Range of clear vision is six inches from me snout.
No, doesn’t impact it much.


36 posted on 07/05/2011 3:25:11 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare

Nearsighted is negative numbers from -6 to zero. Farsighted is zero to +6. LOL! I looked it up. I sorta kinda remembered my numbers’ being negative, but I wasn’t sure.

I’m sure glad that it’s not going to be a problem for you. ;-)


37 posted on 07/05/2011 3:53:56 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Darksheare

Nearsighted is negative numbers from -6 to zero. Farsighted is zero to +6. LOL! I looked it up. I sorta kinda remembered my numbers’ being negative, but I wasn’t sure.

I’m sure glad that it’s not going to be a problem for you. ;-)


38 posted on 07/05/2011 3:54:12 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: TheOldLady

Yeah I wasn’t certain myself, never paid real attenton to them.
*snort*


39 posted on 07/05/2011 4:19:09 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare

[snicker] Looking at them practically all your life, and you never paid real attention to them?

Actually, me too. LOL!


40 posted on 07/05/2011 4:49:47 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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