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Casey Anthony Found Not Guilty of 1st-Degree Murder, Acquitted of Manslaughter in Daughter's Death
FOX ^ | July 5, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 07/05/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by freebird5850

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To: afraidfortherepublic

Xanax = Zanny the Nanny


151 posted on 07/05/2011 9:38:19 AM PDT by Chandalier (Obama is a Chicken Hawk!)
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To: ngat

“Woman wants to go out partying, can’t get anybody to babysit, goes out anyway, places baby in trunk, ties baby up and duct tapes baby’s mouth shut so nobody hears the ruckus in the trunk while Mom is inside the Club partying”

I would add: Has been doing this for two years with approval of clueless enabling grandparents.

Baby getting old enough to say “Mommy gave me medicine and put me in the trunk.”

Baby must be silenced forever.


152 posted on 07/05/2011 9:38:40 AM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: freebird5850

“the beautiful life...with Bestial Betty, my cellmate”


153 posted on 07/05/2011 9:40:07 AM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: chris37

I see Casey’s pathology pretty reflective of our culture today. I buy into the suggestion of a faith column I read that we are in an era of “cultural narcissism”. Regretfully, we are all affected by it. Religious practices, churches, our schools, from tots to PHD’s have been subverted to the feel good experiences, esteem, basically, the “I’m okay, you’re okay” philosophy of the 60’s.

To the point of Casey, a circumstantial case looks like to me a “reasonable doubt” situation every time, so I don’t believe she will get the ultimate penalty. It looks like felony murder (death by abusive act)to me is the answer, if you believe the chloroform was used. But this could be a hung jury and cause for a new trial. Can you believe it? !!! In any case, phase two is the supreme court. The verdict seems to be only the beginning of the next phase(s).


154 posted on 07/05/2011 9:41:15 AM PDT by RitaOK ( We hang together or hang separately. 2012, or bust.)
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To: Palladin
Tim Miller said he told the OC sheriff that he did not want to walk through the flooded area because he feared that a horse, atv or a volunteer might step on the remains while they were underwater and disturb the scene. They pulled out before the flooded area went dry and it was exactly the area where little Caylee's remains were found.

Mr. Miller and his group are well respected and you could tell that he was just sick over the fact that their time was wasted due to no cooperation from Casey and the fact that they put searches for others who had missing loved ones on hold to look for this little girl.

155 posted on 07/05/2011 9:41:22 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: samtheman

You’ll have to watch for the part where JB points a finger at Mr. Aston and says something like, “or are you going to believe that laughing man right there!” Then Asthon yells objection and while he’s still talking the judge says sustained and come to the sidebar. Fireworks!


156 posted on 07/05/2011 9:43:10 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

Aston=Ashton


157 posted on 07/05/2011 9:43:59 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: BigEdLB

LOL! Yep- and I have the $5 black forest ham every couple of weeks.


158 posted on 07/05/2011 9:44:39 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: texgal

I saw that - the look on Tim Miller’s face told it all! For a man to devote his life to helping find missing people - knowing every single day is so sad and stressful - to realize you were wasting your time, energy and resources like that had to be so maddening!


159 posted on 07/05/2011 9:46:42 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: Palladin; FrdmLvr

Prolly both of you are right; makes it intentional instead of recklessly, rottenly, negligent. Guess I don’t want to think any human can be THAT evil.


160 posted on 07/05/2011 9:47:44 AM PDT by ngat
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To: RitaOK

In my opinion, she’s likely a sociopath who uses people and manipulates situations to suit her. Though her parents appears dysfunctional I think it is a function of trying to deal with a daughter who is deeply flawed. Perhaps they were supporting her and then at some point insisted that she get a job. The pregnancy might have been intentional so as to keep them “on the hook”. Once the baby was of little or no use she was gone. She didn’t need Mom & Dad any longer as she had the new boyfriend.


161 posted on 07/05/2011 9:49:21 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: RitaOK

I see people living in a fantasy world everyday on Facebook.


162 posted on 07/05/2011 9:50:36 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
You're right and it's too bad that he could not be called to present his testimony in court.

Every search is important to him. Mr. Miller started Texas Equisearch after his own daughter went missing and was eventually found in an area around here that became known as the killing field. Several young women's remains were found there over a period of years and no one has ever been charged with the killings.

163 posted on 07/05/2011 9:52:18 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: kalee

Thanks. I suspected as much but hadn’t heard the testimony.


164 posted on 07/05/2011 9:53:21 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: RitaOK

Honestly, I’d be ok with life without parole, but from what I saw, she would get life with the possibility of parole, which to me is unacceptable.

I think that life in prison may be worse than death for someone like her.

The term “reasonable doubt” is a tricky one though. It does not mean “beyond any doubt”. I believe she did it, I definitely do not believe that George did it.

Aside from all the circumstantial evidence, the fact that she didn’t take the stand and say she didn’t kill her daughter speaks volumes to me. I know a juror isn’t supposed to consider that, but screw that.

If someone accused me of killing my child, and I didn’t do it, they would have to physically bind my mouth in order to prevent me from declaring my innocence at my trial throughout the length of my trial.

If I am to be put to death, then the people deciding such will hear those words from me come Hell or high water. I simply do not care if the prosecution makes me look like a fool, or a liar, or anything else. Being that I am innocent, I will declare such in open court without fear of consequence.

She is not innocent.


165 posted on 07/05/2011 9:54:10 AM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: Palladin
Casey and her female attorney (she looks like a Cindy Mini-Me) are getting quite chummy. There are also Lesbo photos of Casey. Pretty awful.

I think social pathology and promiscuity go together.

166 posted on 07/05/2011 9:55:45 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Based on that it could easily have been an accident that she tried to cover up. Perhaps the jury will struggle with the premeditation piece.


167 posted on 07/05/2011 9:55:55 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: truthkeeper

I have to take a nap. Putting hubby on verdict watch while I do. Will bbl Verdict today I hope


168 posted on 07/05/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by paul revere is riding (I'm really a Paula.....Go Cain)
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To: texgal; miss marmelstein; CAluvdubya; angcat; All
Ok, all of you who either have had children or been around children - The very pretty but idiotic lawyer on HLN or Court TV (Sunny Hosten?) who has been in the tank for the defense all along just said her mother told her children Caylee's age aren't very verbal! She was saying there was no reason for Casey to kill her that day because she wasn't able to verbalize what might have been happening to her.

I realize all children develop at different rates, but my daughter was speaking in paragraphs at age 3! Not baby words, not two or three words - the girl could talk!

My son, not so much.... ;^)

169 posted on 07/05/2011 10:00:31 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I have the same question on Casey’s upkeep. She lied about having a job for two years at Universal? Astounding. There must be more to the numerous stolen checks from the mother, the SS of the grandfather in the nursing home, and at least one stolen from a girl friend.

I am with you on Wendy Murphy. I heard that, when she said that both sides suppress what they don’t want to deal with. That penetrated. I just can’t imagine that, especially in the death of such an innocent toddler. I understand attorneys have to have a victory at all costs because their careers are measured by it. But, really?


170 posted on 07/05/2011 10:01:08 AM PDT by RitaOK ( We hang together or hang separately. 2012, or bust.)
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To: RitaOK
To the point of Casey, a circumstantial case looks like to me a “reasonable doubt” situation every time, so I don’t believe she will get the ultimate penalty. It looks like felony murder (death by abusive act)to me is the answer, if you believe the chloroform was used. But this could be a hung jury and cause for a new trial. Can you believe it? !!! In any case, phase two is the supreme court. The verdict seems to be only the beginning of the next phase(s).

Anything is possible with this case.....I think she could likely get the death penalty, but maybe it will be life without parole, since the death penalty can be a pretty hard judgement for some to decide for a young woman.

By finding the three overlapping pieces of duct tape attached to the hair, I'm not sure you even need to prove chloroform was used. If the jurors believe those pieces were placed over the mouth/nose area, that is premeditation over the time period it took to cut/place each piece of tape. Any half-way mentally able adult would know what it would result in - death - thus premeditation.

The thirty one days of laissez-faire attitude about the daughter, all the partying, etc. shows a person who is care-free.....not someone with worries about being found out they accidentally killed their daughter and is trying to hide it because they're scared. She only becomes scared when the body is found. She knew the jig was up for her.

I think the key is whether the jury believes the tape was used to cause the death, or whether it was placed there later for some reason. Never know, jury could find reasonable doubt, though. Wouldn't be the first time.
171 posted on 07/05/2011 10:02:51 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

There are videos of Caylee saying Mommy and Daddy (if I heard it clearly). I’ve wondered who she thought Daddy was. Probably poor George.


172 posted on 07/05/2011 10:03:42 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I think that started in the OJ trial when the defense kept saying all the evidence was ‘circumstantial’ in a way that made it sound like they were saying “full of $h!t”

Circumstantial has come to mean ‘unsubstantial’ in many people's minds, and that is a bad thing.

MOST evidence in EVERY case is circumstantial. People rarely commit crimes in full daylight in front of witnesses.

173 posted on 07/05/2011 10:04:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: drjulie; afraidfortherepublic; mrreaganaut

Based on that it could easily have been an accident that she tried to cover up. Perhaps the jury will struggle with the premeditation piece.

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Just discussed this with my husband (attorney). If a reasonable person would expect that their actions could/would cause death (like drugging and duct taping the mouth) then even if the intent wasn’t death, it would still be premeditation according to the law.

So, by that standard, casey’s actions are premeditation to murder.


174 posted on 07/05/2011 10:07:30 AM PDT by reaganaut ("I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Chandalier

My question about Zanny the Nanny is this:

Did Casey use the Xanex on Caylee the entire time she was supposed to be working? Not daily, but on those occasions she had something she wanted to do and didn’t want to be bothered with Caylee? I was under the impression she told her parents she was taking her to the babysitter who was called Zanny.

Or did she come up with this Zanny during the 31 days?

She was employed by a theme park before Caylee was born and then she claimed she went back after her maternity leave. Did she drug Caylee with Xanex for those two years?


175 posted on 07/05/2011 10:09:13 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: drjulie

According to the Judge’s instructions, an accidental death that occurs during the commission of an act of child abuse is the same as premiditated murder — a death penalty crime.

But, the computer searches on how to make chloroform occurred 3 months before Caylee’s disappearance. Definitely premeditated.

I looked at the time line at the link posted above — somethingrose. According to that, Casey’s personal laptop had been wiped clean of anything before June 15th. I remember reading that Lee’s computer was also confiscated by the cops.

My understanding of computers is that you can never “wiipe them clean” of anything without removing the hard drive and smashing it with a hammer. I wonder how hard the police tried to pull up the missing info from Casey’s personal computer?


176 posted on 07/05/2011 10:10:19 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Mr. K
Yes, while reading what constituted circumstantial evidence an example was this: direct evidence is seeing someone shoot another person; circumstantial would be watching them follow that person into a house, carrying a gun and hear the shot fired.

Knowing now how often folks lie under oath, I think the circumstantial evidence holds more weight.

177 posted on 07/05/2011 10:12:07 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: Abigail Adams

Actually, I couldn’t listen to all the defense close, at least for now. JB is too painful to listen to. I did see the laughing man bit (I saw that earlier today, it’s posted on youtube).

I’ve gone on to the prosecution rebuttal and I love this line (referring to the defence claim that the duct tape was placed on the child’s face after she was already dead, from “drowning”):

“People don’t make accidents look like murder. That’s absurd!”


178 posted on 07/05/2011 10:16:43 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: MizSterious

Cindy is the ultimate “control freak”. She is smart, gainfully employed, rigid and proper, perhaps to a fault, (recall she never took Casey to a GYN util she was 19) and Cindy was demanding. What’s not right with that picture? Cindy out performed her daughter, probably her husband too, and was the provider with power over the household, and Casey and Calee. The resentment for these circumstances was screaming from Casey and the incessant desire to escape and party. Add to that Casey’s clinical narcissism and you have a storm coming. Calee paid the price how ever it was horribly done.

I agree with you that Cindy wants to control the outcome, as usual, and spare herself the realization that she is the mother of a “monster” and is dealing with how stupid she was to believe so much fantasy from Casey for so long. Can’t get over that Casey said for two years, she had a job at Universal. Never happened.


179 posted on 07/05/2011 10:16:45 AM PDT by RitaOK ( We hang together or hang separately. 2012, or bust.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

My daughter said hardly anything at all until around 18 months then it was full sentences! The boys were closer to 24 months before they began to speak more than a word or two. There seems to be a difference between boys and girls.


180 posted on 07/05/2011 10:19:17 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Girlene

I agree with every word you said. To the “T”. Especially your second paragraph.


181 posted on 07/05/2011 10:20:26 AM PDT by RitaOK ( We hang together or hang separately. 2012, or bust.)
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To: ZX12R

Not even a special smoke break.

OH Yeah, they are as serious as a heart attack. GREAT.


182 posted on 07/05/2011 10:20:29 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: chris37

I agree with your #165. I too would declare my innocence, no matter what “the rules of the game” are.


183 posted on 07/05/2011 10:20:55 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: RitaOK
There must be more to the numerous stolen checks from the mother
One of the local TV stations got the transcript from one of the sidebars, and Ashton warned Biaz that the prosecution had hundreds of Cindy's checks that Casey had forged, and that if Casey took the stand, they could and would bring that into the trial.

Apparently, that was part of the reason they decided not to have Casey testify.

184 posted on 07/05/2011 10:21:45 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I think what happened was that Casey looked up chloroform to learn how she could drug her daughter to go out partying

She would dope her up and let her sleep in the truck, while mommy was out partying.

A little too much and she’s dead- didn’t mean to kill her, but it’s still felony murder

So... do what she always does- lie and put off the inevitable

Remember hwo she keept beggin her mom for “one more day” before calling the police?


185 posted on 07/05/2011 10:22:19 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: reaganaut

That’s interesting, though it still might be a struggle for the jury to “work through”, so to speak. Maybe she did it before - drugging, duct tape over the mouth (not nose), etc. and her past experience leads her to believe the baby wouldn’t die. Of course, that would not negate your point about a reasonable person. A reasonable person could certainly expect that this would cause death.


186 posted on 07/05/2011 10:22:59 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: Palladin

Baby getting old enough to say “Mommy gave me medicine and put me in the trunk.”

Baby must be silenced forever.

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I know you don’t need a motive. But that is EXACTLY why I think Caylee had to be eliminated.


187 posted on 07/05/2011 10:22:59 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: texgal
Also a difference in first and second children - first ones don't usually get the baby talk treatment as much - second children come along and an experienced Mother can anticipate what they want - hand them things without them having to do more than grunt! lol

And yes, there is often a difference in girls and boys in verbalization (my husband says girls never stop talking once they start!)

188 posted on 07/05/2011 10:23:48 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: RitaOK

Didn’t Murphy say something about “mob hit”, or “mob influence” during that diatribe on Geraldo? I can’t quite remember, but something put that visual in my head.

I’m with you on your gut feeling that it is a terrible thing to think about them suppressing ANY evidence in a case like this.

But, of course Cindy has been proven to be almost as big a liar as Casey. There is someting on that ...rose... website that references Cindy saying that the DA is up for re-election, needs a big case, etc.


189 posted on 07/05/2011 10:24:02 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Mr. K

True! Although, if you’ve ever watched the Law & Order UK version, they solve EVERY case with video! lol They must have a camera on every single street from every angle!


190 posted on 07/05/2011 10:25:20 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: Palladin

The area was flooded. As we found out from Kronk. She was in a low area.

Tim said that they had already lost an ATV. He didn’t want to :
1) have any of the searchers injured
2) take the chance of running over the body and destroying evidence.

Plus Georges friend told him that George thought the answer was in that room (CASEY’s). And as we know she wasn’t talking. Well she was talking, but it was all lies.


191 posted on 07/05/2011 10:27:54 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: FrdmLvr

Toxicology testing never revealed any drugs


192 posted on 07/05/2011 10:28:01 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: drjulie

A reasonable person could certainly expect that this would cause death.

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Exactly. Which is also why the defense played the not competent card again last week. By the fact she is competent to stand trial, she must therefore be competent to know that her actions could have caused death.

And I agree, that she probably did it before (at least the drugging) and nothing happened so she kept doing it.

I remember hearing about a case several years ago, where a woman went on a date to a drive in movie and put her kids in the trunk of the car (with snacks) while she was on her date and they suffocated. She got murder one.


193 posted on 07/05/2011 10:28:24 AM PDT by reaganaut ("I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Johnny B.

” .....Ashton warned Biaz that the prosecution had hundreds of Cindy’s checks that Casey had forged, and that if Casey took the stand, they could and would bring that into the trial.” ====

That must explain it. But that is certainly a lot of money for Cindy not to know about. Cindy must have kept Casey in style to a large extent. Pride thing with Cindy.


194 posted on 07/05/2011 10:30:37 AM PDT by RitaOK ( We hang together or hang separately. 2012, or bust.)
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To: RitaOK

They have to draw the line in some things that really make no difference. The State couldn’t bring in all of the theft by Casey, even from Amy during those 31 days! That was prejudicial - so the defense got a break there. Something as simple as a photo of Caylee with a “I love my Mommy” statement printed on it would be prejudical. So just using that term doesn’t automatically mean something like porn.


195 posted on 07/05/2011 10:34:13 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I can’t say that I recall all the outrageous scenarios and implications Murphy regirgitated. She did allude to child pornography also, but she is such a broad flame thrower I didn’t internalize all that she said but for the attorney suppression business, which I have to believe she largely distorted and enlarged. Wendy may be windy.


196 posted on 07/05/2011 10:36:52 AM PDT by RitaOK ( We hang together or hang separately. 2012, or bust.)
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To: Marty62; Palladin

I could envision Cindy asking Caylee about her play day with Zanny, or any of the many non existent folks and caylee saying “who?”


197 posted on 07/05/2011 10:36:54 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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Tim Miller, Texas Equusearch, will be on Fox News shortly.


198 posted on 07/05/2011 10:37:22 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: miss marmelstein

Me too..civil trial...only 6 jurors...2 day trial..we got the case at 11AM on the 3rd day....went into the jury room..were all agreed to vote for the defendant..but three ladies wanted their lunch...so we waited until after lunch..gawd..


199 posted on 07/05/2011 10:38:06 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I can pretty much guess why the jury hasn’t come back convicting the sociopathic freak yet..juror #4 and juror #5(The Miss I refuse to judge anyone juror) I bet those two jurors are holding up the entire jury


200 posted on 07/05/2011 10:41:29 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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