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Man-Made Climate Change Evidence 'Hidden' By Sulphur Emissions [Coal pollution slows global warming]
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 8:00PM BST 04 Jul 2011 | By Nick Collins, Science Correspondent

Posted on 07/05/2011 8:12:33 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

Cutting down on pollution from Chinese coal plants could actually make the earth become warmer, according to a new study.

Exponents of global warming have struggled to explain why temperatures have declined in recent years instead of rising in line with the significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions.

Researchers now claim that sulphur emissions from power plants in China are blocking sunlight and having a cooling effect on the atmosphere, cancelling out the effect of global warming.

The impact of the sulphur emissions has combined with a cooler stage of the sun's cycle and a change from the El Nino to the La Nina weather system in the South Atlantic has kept temperatures artificially low, the experts argued.

If true, this could mean a change in the Sun's 11-year cycle along with measures to refine Chinese coal boilers will cause temperatures to rise significantly.

But sceptics of man-made climate change said the researchers "tweak an out-of-date climate computer model and cherry-pick the outcome to get their desired result".

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; climatechange; coal; cooling; doom; globalwarming; sulphur; warming

1 posted on 07/05/2011 8:12:41 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Does anyone believe any of these “scientists” know what the hell they are talking about?


2 posted on 07/05/2011 8:16:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: fight_truth_decay

So we have to have more coal plants!!!

To counter globull warming~!!!

Great idea!


3 posted on 07/05/2011 8:17:57 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: fight_truth_decay

Ok...so maybe the increase in temperatures in the 90’s could be attributed to decreased use of high sulphur coal in this country, during that period.

Junk science is fun - you can make anything up.


4 posted on 07/05/2011 8:18:36 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Man-caused global warming = Piltdown man.


5 posted on 07/05/2011 8:19:16 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: fight_truth_decay

This is gonna drive the liberals crazy!

(crazier than normal)


6 posted on 07/05/2011 8:19:16 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

A crazy attempt to excuse the chicom’s coal plants, while still hobbling our economy!

Doesn’t this mean coal fired plants REDUCE global warming? And doesn’t that mean they are done?


7 posted on 07/05/2011 8:19:16 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Venturer

Was going to say—always a new excuse why their models aren’t working. Now pollution STOPS global warming. And from Chinese plants no less—how convenient! The mind reels......


8 posted on 07/05/2011 8:20:27 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: fight_truth_decay

I have never seen such bad science as I’ve seen on this “climate change” scam.

I am no joking when I state that we’re looking at folks who are too unschooled to even have a liberal arts degree - let alone the knowledge of mathematics and physics required to even approach the complexity of trying to model the earth’s climate.


9 posted on 07/05/2011 8:21:22 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Venturer

Let’s say this is true.

Then the answer to global warming is more coal producing plants. in other words, the unintended consequence of the environment whack jobs and Obama getting their way and shutting down coal plants will in fact be global warming.

And since this seems to be the answer, then we can regulate our climate by reducing and increasing emissions when necessary instead of getting rid of emissions and paying billions of tax dollars to dictators to buy what?


10 posted on 07/05/2011 8:22:36 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Save the planet, destroy the MSM)
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To: rbg81
And from Chinese plants no less—how convenient!

We have controls on sulfur emissions.

11 posted on 07/05/2011 8:24:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
So, burning high sulfur coal is a GOOD thing.

But sceptics of man-made climate change said the researchers "tweak an out-of-date climate computer model and cherry-pick the outcome to get their desired result".

Oh, the Global Warmers would never do a thing like that because they are SCIENTIST and they really care about Gia.

The fact that their jobs depend on people continuing to believe the Man Made Global Warming fraud would have nothing to do with the fact that they continually come up with new excuses for their predictions failing to be realized.

12 posted on 07/05/2011 8:25:00 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Exponents of global warming have struggled to explain why temperatures have declined in recent years instead of rising in line with the significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions. "

They are now admitting this...after a lot of denials.

13 posted on 07/05/2011 8:25:21 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Just a heads up — Coal producing plants are generally called MINES!


14 posted on 07/05/2011 8:27:48 AM PDT by catman67
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To: fight_truth_decay

All these rules will disappear when our dollar collapses and we have to sell our resources to pay our debt.


15 posted on 07/05/2011 8:31:56 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: fight_truth_decay
So when a capitalist country sends sulfur in the air it's bad but a communist country spews sulfur out it's good. Makes sense coming from a bunch of watermelon scientists.
16 posted on 07/05/2011 8:32:36 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: Moonman62

China will be given a green light to do whatever it wants. Count on it.


17 posted on 07/05/2011 8:32:51 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81

It’s all the bullsh-ts fault, that’s what it is. Hurry crank up another round of B.S. fore they catch on.


18 posted on 07/05/2011 8:54:26 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: fight_truth_decay

This is impossible because 20 years of scaremongering by the left tells me the computer models of climate scientists are perfect and predict warming.


19 posted on 07/05/2011 9:15:58 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Gore Lauds Romney on Climate Position; 0bamaCare was based on RomneyCare.)
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To: Mr. K

Memo to Vice President Joe Biden:


20 posted on 07/05/2011 9:24:19 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

So American pollution is bad, and Asian pollution is good. Or is it pollution by Free people is bad, and pollution by dictatorships is good.


21 posted on 07/05/2011 9:25:14 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: capt. norm
“Albedo Enhancement by Stratospheric Sulfur Injections” [2006]

The first idea is due to Paul J. Crutzen, the Nobel prize winning specialist in atmospheric chemistry. His 2006 essay, Albedo Enhancement by Stratospheric Sulfur Injections, proposes adding sulphur to the stratosphere (so, to an altitude of at least ≈10km). There the sulphur would become sulphate, which would increase the earth’s albedo. Reflecting a little sunlight would compensate for the heat retained by greenhouse gases. Crutzen proposes “continuous deployment of about 1–2 Tg S per year”.

Worldwide recovered sulfur output is expected to increase significantly. For the next 1 or 2 years, sulfur supply was expected to nearly equal demand. Severe sulfur surpluses, however, were expected beginning in 2010, accelerating thereafter as a result of increased production, especially from oil sands in Canada, natural gas in the Middle East, expanded oil and gas operations in Kazakhstan, and Venezuela’s heavy-oil processors. Additional production increases were expected to come from Russia’s growth in sulfur recovery from natural gas and Asia’s improved sulfur recovery at oil refineries. … An in-depth analysis conducted by Black & Veatch … predicted that sulfur recovery from global petroleum refineries could reach 50 Mt in 2025.

Currently sulphur costs from as much as ≈$40 per ton down to nothing ....

http://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/environment/planet_cooling.html

22 posted on 07/05/2011 9:33:06 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: catman67

Sorry, had a lib moment there.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 9:39:13 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Save the planet, destroy the MSM)
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To: steelyourfaith

ping


24 posted on 07/05/2011 9:47:03 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: fight_truth_decay

So the people who are never wrong are wrong?

And does this mean we should be burning more coal?

And how stupid do you have to be to still believe these people?


25 posted on 07/05/2011 9:49:39 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
...a change from the El Nino to the La Nina weather system in the South Atlantic...

I thought that the el Nino/la Nina was a Pacific Ocean currents thing? Or I guess that they are talking about the resulting weather systems spawned by the la nina ocean temps? They just seem to throw this stuff out there and figure by shear volume to silence descent...

26 posted on 07/05/2011 9:59:24 AM PDT by BoneHead
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To: South Dakota

Not to mention when we are digging up our own coal (I mean for personal use) to heat our homes.


27 posted on 07/05/2011 10:01:11 AM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: Fractal Trader; Desdemona; Nipfan; carolinablonde; marvlus; DollyCali; markomalley; Bockscar; ...
Thanx for the ping Fractal Trader !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

28 posted on 07/05/2011 10:04:28 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Alternative title: Greenhouse gases responsible for global cooling.


29 posted on 07/05/2011 10:23:33 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama: The Man, the Myth, the Marxist)
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To: Da Coyote
I am no joking when I state that we’re looking at folks who are too unschooled to even have a liberal arts degree - let alone the knowledge of mathematics and physics required to even approach the complexity of trying to model the earth’s climate.
Indeed, if these people had any sense for mathematics or numerical models, they would know how ridiculously futile the whole endeavor of modeling the climate for long-term predictions is.
30 posted on 07/05/2011 10:46:49 AM PDT by cartan
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To: fight_truth_decay
The impact of the sulphur emissions has combined with a cooler stage of the sun's cycle and a change from the El Nino to the La Nina weather system in the South Atlantic has kept temperatures artificially low

I.e. their "models" are so simplistic and lame that they don't incorporate these phenomena.

31 posted on 07/05/2011 12:10:42 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: Venturer
Does anyone believe any of these “scientists” know what the hell they are talking about?

In a word, NO.

When they stopped being scientists and leaped into activism and groundless opinion. East Anglia, anyone?

The "skeptics," on the other hand, base their opposition to reality : what has happened; fact. Not on opinion, computer generated scare scenarios and projections, far into the future where they can never be proven. Unfact.

Religion is based on faith and, as we can see, subject to abuse and horrible acts. Few Americans are ready for another neurotic religion.

32 posted on 07/05/2011 1:15:08 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: South Dakota
All these rules will disappear when our dollar collapses and we have to sell our resources to pay our debt.

I love it!
Since "cartels" have been legitimized worldwide, the USA can form at least two Cartels good into the indefinite future:

OCEC, Organization of Coal Exporting Countries

and...

OFEC, Organization of Food Exporting Countries.

How sweet it is...

33 posted on 07/05/2011 1:22:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: BoneHead

Atlantic? Pacific?

Guess it makes no big difference to “journalists”...


34 posted on 07/05/2011 1:23:12 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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