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‘Beginning of the end for small fishermen’
Boston Herald ^ | July 3, 2011 | Jessica Fargen

Posted on 07/05/2011 8:41:32 AM PDT by george76

Captains issue S.O.S., claiming new rules meant to save the fish are killing their way of life.

With the height of the New England fishing season getting under way this week, small family fishermen say controversial new rules are destroying their livelihood — forcing them to sell their boats and instead search for work as laborers on larger vessels.

“It’s a death knell. It’s the beginning of the end for small fishermen,” said Rhode Island fisherman Joel Hovanesian, 54, who recently sold his boat.

Plymouth fisherman Stephen Welch, 50, a father of two, said: “We’re in a crisis right now.”

Figures from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show larger operations appear to have benefited.

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Tina Jackson, president of the American Alliance for Fishermen and their Communities: “This has been so devastating to communities up and down the East Coast. . . . It’s a bad program. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t save fish stock.”

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: 0bamahatesfishermen; agenda21; animalrights; ar; commercialfishing; epa; esa; fisherman; fishermen; fishing; noaa; obamanation

1 posted on 07/05/2011 8:41:34 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

The government/corporate-complex uber alles.


2 posted on 07/05/2011 8:42:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: george76
"It’s a bad program. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t save fish stock.”

It was never intended to. The real purpose is reflected in the article title.

3 posted on 07/05/2011 8:44:19 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The government/corporate-complex uber alles.

Exactly.

Create government obstacles that only certain favored companies can overcome, or offer government gifts that only certain favored companies can take advantage of.

Fishing, light bulbs, TARP, cap-n-trade... the list goes on.

America is becoming corporatist tyranny.

4 posted on 07/05/2011 8:49:44 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: george76

Current gubmint policies crowd people into ever larger groups. It makes them more manageable ... more “controllable” if you will.

The fewer people to whom the choke hold must be applied, the easier it is to apply that hold.

If a variety of toilets are sold, and gubmint tells us to buy the 1.6 gallon, few will comply. If gubmint tells Kohler that it is now illegal to build “high-capacity” thrones, voila!, we all buy what the socialist in charge wanted us to buy in the first place.

No independent fishermen? All at once, it only takes one trip to the wood-shed for the guy who now employs them all to maintain order.


5 posted on 07/05/2011 8:51:18 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: george76
forcing them to sell their boats and instead search for work as laborers on larger vessels.

Hey you guys in the deep Blue Lib states! THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW LAWS!

HOW'S THAT 'HOPE AND CHANGE' THINGY WORKIN' OUT FOR YA?................

6 posted on 07/05/2011 8:54:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: AAABEST

CRONY-PHONY-CAPITALISM!....................


7 posted on 07/05/2011 8:55:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: george76

It’s the beginning of the end for small fishermen.
(replace ‘fisherman’ with ‘business’)

Corporatism is just too complicated when you have too many ‘small businesses’.


8 posted on 07/05/2011 8:55:40 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: Noumenon

HOPE & CHANGE MORONS!


9 posted on 07/05/2011 8:57:07 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Red Badger

Great point. It would be interesting to see how many of these ‘small’ fisherman voted for the marxist and by extension their own suicide.


10 posted on 07/05/2011 8:57:40 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman
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To: george76

I’m no expert, but the same thing is happening here in NC. Sad to watch a way of life disappear. But then we watch the foreign trawlers sail side by side down the river, nets lowered scooping everything, impervious to the harsh regulations the citizens have to endure.

But like farmers, fishermen are an independent lot. Easy pickins for the corporates.


11 posted on 07/05/2011 9:00:11 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: RobinOfKingston
Current gubmint policies crowd people into ever larger groups. It makes them more manageable ... more “controllable” if you will.

Also makes it easier to extort them for campaign contributions.

12 posted on 07/05/2011 9:00:39 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: george76
NOAA spokeswoman. Maggie Mooney-Seus said ... if you talk to fishermen they are saying, ‘I’m seeing more fish out there than I’ve ever seen before.’ ”

knock, knock. HELLO! MCFLY!!

The "overfishing" game has been played almost as well as the "peak oil" charade.

13 posted on 07/05/2011 9:12:32 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: griswold3

Corporatism is just too complicated when you have too many ‘small businesses’.

That is exactly the same spew from robert Reich when he was in the Clinton Administration.


14 posted on 07/05/2011 9:16:00 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: george76

And yet they continue to vote for Democrats? How do you feel sorry for people who continue to support those who are the heart of their difficulties?


15 posted on 07/05/2011 9:19:03 AM PDT by mort56
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To: george76

I am curious, are these regulations being imposed on all boats that fish our coastal waters? If so OK maybe the program will work, if not why not?


16 posted on 07/05/2011 9:20:50 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: myrabach
Here in NJ too. We had a charter boat business about 18 yrs ago when they were just starting their limits of certain fish. Ended up not being worth doing. Boat, gas, & advertising & docking fees made us see little profit. I am grateful for being able to see the ocean as we did but was glad to see the boat go. I wouldn't mind a small boat we could put in & out of the water but gas is too much.

My fisherman friends on the small commercial boats, etc are mad to see the big foreign boats pulling huge catches. Then seeing them canned right on the trawlers. Its a d@mn shame how many people are losing their way of life. Jobs & boats, farms etc are being lost and still no end in sight.

17 posted on 07/05/2011 9:25:06 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: jpsb

Fishermen are given allotments of fish .

Under the old system, fishermen were allowed a certain number of days at sea.


18 posted on 07/05/2011 9:28:20 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: RobinOfKingston

In 2009, Americans consumed 15.8 pounds of seafood per person, down 0.2 pounds a person from 2008. U.S. consumers spent an estimated $75.5 billion for fishery products in 2009, including $50.3 billion at restaurants, carry-outs, and caterers; $23.8 billion in retail sales for consumption at home, and $1.4 billion for industrial fish products.

In 2009, imports made up 84% of the seafood eaten in the United States. The United States imported about 5.2 billion pounds of seafood in 2009, 64.4 million pounds less than the quantity imported in 2008. 2009 imports were valued at $13.1 billion, $1.0 billion less than 2008. We mainly import from China, Thailand, Canada, Indonesia, Vietnam, Ecuador, and Chile. The top species we import (by volume) include shrimp, tuna, salmon, groundfish, freshwater fish, crab, and squid.

In 2009, the United States exported 2.5 billion pounds of seafood, valued at $4.0 billion, a decrease of 103.8 million pounds and $277.1 million from 2008. We mainly export seafood to China, Japan, Canada, South Korea, Germany, and the Netherlands. The major fresh and frozen exports were salmon, surimi, and lobsters; salmon was the major canned item exported.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/fishwatch/trade_and_aquaculture.htm


19 posted on 07/05/2011 9:31:42 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: george76

One of the comments following the article:

NOAA wants to build ocean wind turbines in 3000 square miles of proposed ocean leased space in traditional fishing grounds .The people that run NOAA are mostly people from environmental groups that back commercial wind .NOAA has given millions in research grants for commercial wind and fined fishermen as much as $19,000.00 for catching twenty extra fish . The state of Massachusetts is building the 100 million dollar New Bedford Marine Commerce Terminal /ocean wind port for private ocean wind contractors - NOAA wants the fishing boats out of New Bedford to continue their private agenda !


20 posted on 07/05/2011 9:36:45 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Noumenon

Indeed.


21 posted on 07/05/2011 9:39:28 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: Fred Hayek

Reich just hates the word ‘small’!

The United States of America does NOT ‘do’ central planning.


22 posted on 07/05/2011 9:40:40 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: george76

Kinda sounds like the small farmer doesn’t it. Government will put them all out of business with all the regulations. Our government, especially this administration, uses regulations as law, instead of going through Congress as it should be.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 9:41:51 AM PDT by RC2
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To: george76

And what do the large crony-capitalist owners do with the profits they make now that competition is gone? Funnel it into more campaign contributions to Obama so he makes more regulations restricting competition.


24 posted on 07/05/2011 9:42:17 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: george76

Small independent operations are being destroyed by big government at the behest of the giant commercial fishers.

Meanwhile foreign vessels ply American waters illegally far into STATE waters.

And recreational fishing regulations are so tight you have to get a daily update to make sure you’re compliant.


25 posted on 07/05/2011 9:43:59 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: george76
Yes I read that in the article, it is a system similar to what we have here in Texas with shrimp. Except Texas control both the hours of operation and the amount that can be taken (limit). But that does not answer my question about the foreign boats. Are all boats subject to the same rules and if not, why not?

If the goal is to replemish the stock then only imposing rules on American boats in international waters is doomed to fail.

26 posted on 07/05/2011 10:07:23 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: george76
"...He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

The Founding Father declared armed rebellion against such Tyranny 235 years ago yesterday...

27 posted on 07/05/2011 10:15:48 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo
Fathers
28 posted on 07/05/2011 10:17:04 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: george76

When I was a kid growing up in Portsmouth, NH, my dad and I often ran our boat a few miles offshore to jig up Cod and haddock. They were plentiful. Then the Russian trawlers moved in a swept the groundfish clean. The 200 mile limit went into effect, one trawler was seized and slowly the haddock and cod began coming back. But that didn’t last. Our own boats became so good at finding fish, netting up entire schools, that the cod got bad again, haddock in close waters non-existent, flounder and even species that were never on the table like pollock disappeared by the end of the 90’s. I went 30 miles offshore to Jeffrey’s Ledge a week ago and saw two draggers essentially vacuuming fish off the bottom. This can’t go on forever, if your business is unsustainable you need to get one that works. But you don’t get to destroy an entire resource before you go under.


29 posted on 07/05/2011 10:33:45 AM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: Mongeaux
I live in a fishing village (Well it used to be a fishing village) on Galveston bay. I'm not a fisherman so I am not expert but Texas has a lot of rules on when, where and how you can fish. Texas has also been buying back licenses to limit the number of boats catching fish. I do not know what up on the east coast but unlimited fishing unsustainable, just like unlimited spending.
30 posted on 07/05/2011 10:46:45 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: george76

The Obamanites are in favor of the little guy ! Right ! They would prefer you to work for a large corporation where you can be easily controlled and “managed” versus being an independent business. A person who is independent is considered a threat to our elitists society !


31 posted on 07/05/2011 10:50:30 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: jpsb

It’s pretty simple, really. The commercials just took too many fish. They will keep taking too many fish until there are no fish to take. Or rather, they will take more and more of fewer and fewer. The resource will collapse, like Striped bass did in the 70’s, then when (or if) it recovers a decade or two later the dance of depletion will resume. Meanwhile the stocks take hideous genetic damage. Size limits, for example, on Cod require small fish under 24’ to be thrown back. Result? Cod over 24” are rare. The fish have bred themselves small to survive the pressure.


32 posted on 07/05/2011 11:02:12 AM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: george76

A superb rule of thumb is that, if you’re worried about a shortage of critters, of about any kind, then - make more critters!

Ducks unlimited was founded by California duck hunters, because there were too few ducks, and not enough good habitat for them, both to propagate in, and for hunting. So over the course of years, they slowly changed that situation, to the point where California is up to its eyebrows in ducks and such water fowl, so much so that natural controls, like communicable disease, are intervening to control their numbers.

And there is no reason in the world this can’t be done with fish. There is even a technique to do so. And it’s not particularly expensive, either.

To start with, you go out to sea far enough away from the coast so that any pollution you generate won’t matter. Then you make a wide ring of pontoons, with a small, anchored craft to guide them. Then you descend several layers of nets, to keep in your hatchery fish and keep out the predators.

The hatchery fish are well fed, parasite free, and have been fed antibiotics to keep them healthy. Put inside these nets, and fed “Purina fish chow”, in naturally aerated water whose current keeps everything clean, they grow up big and healthy.

In past the idea was that when ready for harvest, you just hoist the inner net up into a refrigerator ship to take them to a processing plant.

However, if the wild fish are depleted, you take the fish to where the wild populations hang out, and release them. They breed well with the wild fish, improving the species as well as significantly increasing its numbers.

In short order, the entire ecosystem is improved. There are more fish, and they are healthier, and they provide more food for predators, so there are soon more predators as well.

No reason to limit fishing, and such pontoon fish farms can be so productive that soon it can just specialize in breeding rarer and rarer species of fish. The majority of production will be “whitefish”, that are several breeds that people like to eat, but again, taking the pressure off of fishermen.


33 posted on 07/05/2011 11:16:56 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Except cultivated fish are genetically inferior to wild stock. Canada considers escaped farm Salmon that mingle with wild Salmon "Genetic Pollution". Rather than introduce weaker fish to the wild, shut down the wild fishery, let it replenish and use the farmed one to keep the tables stocked at home.

Ask yourself this: how in line with Conservative principle is it to spend public money to make fish that you then dump into the ocean so that private individuals can hoover up those public-owned fish and sell them for a profit?

34 posted on 07/05/2011 11:35:11 AM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: Mongeaux

There are some big differences, here. I am well aware that lake salmon are of poor quality, but the fish I am talking about are first generation, from wild, hatchery fish. And they are not raised for long in the hatchery before they are essentially put back in their wild environment.

The only difference between them and wild fish is antibiotics, a lack of parasites, and that they are fed instead of having to find their own food.

And granted, not having been raised *as much* in the wild, their attrition will be high, but they are still “wild”, not domestic, and much healthier than their wild competition.

And public funding is really not at issue, here, other than perhaps start up money. The fishermen themselves would co-op to pay for operations, as it is of direct benefit to them. That is, with no fishing limit other than luck, and far less government control, they can do what they want to do, fish.

If the season is awful, they can not release the pontoon fish, but haul them up in their net, then split the dividends to keep themselves economically viable until the next season.


35 posted on 07/05/2011 11:47:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: george76
"Beginning of the end for small fishermen"

I read the whole article and couldn't find the height requirement ...

I'm 5'6" ... does that mean I'm a small fisherman?

I'm so confused ...

36 posted on 07/05/2011 11:54:33 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Square Dancing - Drill and Ceremony Set To Music)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t think it is only the Dems who do this, the corporations have been using regulations as a backhanded way of putting smaller competition out of business.


37 posted on 07/06/2011 9:49:57 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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