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Posted on 07/05/2011 10:16:10 AM PDT by topher
Pilots refuse to fly Independence Day atheist banners
by John Jalsevac
July 4, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) An atheist organization that sought to celebrate Independence Day by flying banners promoting atheism all across the United States nearly ran into a major snag most of the pilots working for the advertizing company refused to fly the banners.
USA Today reports that 4 out of 5 pilots working for Fly Signs Aerial Advertising refused to participate in the campaign, which involved banners saying, God-less America, and Atheism is patriotic.
Only 17 of the companys 85 pilots agreed to participate.
USA Today quotes one of the pilots, Red Calvert, saying, I respect our country and I respect our churches and weve got enough problems in our country without stirring up some more. If those people want to do something they believe in, fine, just dont include me.
The $23,000 campaign is a project of the group American Atheists.
Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots refusal stems from Americans bigotry. This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners, he said, according to CNN.
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Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots refusal stems from Americans bigotry.
I don't think it is bigotry -- it is just that it is against the beliefs of the pilots...
This is an Atheists are losers' thread...
ping. Nice to see some Americans do not put up with non-sense...
What will they think of next?
‘Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots refusal stems from Americans bigotry. This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners, he said, according to CNN.’
Dave, you arrogant jackass; you are confusing the concept of ‘fear’ with the reality of ‘disgust’. May God have mercy on your soul
Ultimately this is what we must all do. Refuse assent to the left’s culture war demands, whether the leftist aggressor is an official or private actor. This is how the Soviet Union died. All but the core oppressors decided enough was enough, and the bulk of the population withdrew their consent to be governed by a minority of oppressors.
Since they were flying planes, they might not have wanted to tick God off.
If I were a nonbelieving pilot, I probably would not want to take chances by flying around a banner attacking God.
Oh... they’re in my prayers...:o)
So they got 17 people to do it. What are they bitching about? People can’t have minds of their own, they’re not allowed to have their own beliefs? Why does everyone have to conform to their belief system or they aren’t happy? These atheist bigots make me sick!
“Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots refusal stems from Americans bigotry. This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners, he said, according to CNN.”
Why not, I don’t know, purchase some aircraft for the purpose of spreading their message? Why go through all the trouble of forcing those who don’t believe their message to promote it?
LOL! Good! They are!
I listened to a debate between James White and Dave Silverman (Hitchens was supposed to be the atheist) about whether the New Testament was “evil” (as if atheists can call anything evil). Dave Silverman self-imploded. It was actually kind of funny to listen to.
How could I have missed this news story?
Oh, it was on CNN....never mind.
You’ve got it exactly right: simply refuse to accede.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCIZE THEREOF (my caps, underscore and bold).”
These atheists and some courts have CONSISTENTLY ignored the last part of that clause, and, in effect, made an effort to create the establishment of a religion - Atheism.
Atheists don't tolerate the rest of the world not revolving around them.
It is ok for them to insult others - darwin forbid there should be push back.
Fly banners reading "Death to Breeders" (heterosesuals, of course,) on Mother's and Fathers, Day.
Except for muslims, no religion I know of uses such tactics to intimidate any fringe neurotic group.
The phobia of religion is directly proportional to the rise in pervert activism.
Besides, pilots are loath to gamble.
They're safer then helicopters.
Anytime the wing is moving faster than the fuselage it has to be unsafe.
Bogotry is trying to demand no one be a Chrsitian or hold and religious views.
If they say it’s bigotry - it gets attention. They know exactly what they are doing, these godless maggots.
Personlly, I think that what atheists do or don't believe is between them and their creator. They are the ones who will have to answer for it if they are wrong, so it is their business.
But, I find this interesting from two perspectives:
1.) That there were so many who refused to cooperate (turned down money or jepoardized their jobs to refuse to promote an atheist agenda)
2.) That they are being allowed to do so without being pursued with legal tongs and hammers by atheist organizations.
The organization referred to their "fear" (the pilots) as bigotry, but it is nothing of the sort.
On a humorous note, a pilot might say quite seriously to the atheists:
PILOT TO ATHEIST: "You may see nothing wrong with flying a plane trailing a banner that pokes God in the eye, but I have a wife and kids, and I don't want to answer before God as to why I put him in the position of wishing to hit my plane with that lightning bolt!""
“...These people are Statists - they believe that a MINUSCULE minority of people - Atheists - have the right to impose THEIR worldview on the MAJORITY of believers....”
The same way homos are doing.
Bravo to the 62 pilots who didn’t let politcally correct pressure force them to do something they thought was morally wrong.
Since our Rights come from God....how can anyone fly such banners....it is like saying we have no inalienable rights which is against the Constitution and the Principles of our legal system.
Actually, the US would be within Constitutional rights to ban atheists from all aspects of Constitutional government since they don’t acknowledge that we have God-given rights.
That is how the Founders thought and Atheists were marginalized and not allowed to testify in court. We should get back to the Founding principles of this country which includes Absolute Truth and God. Everyone who doesn’t acknowledge that are free to leave and join those atheist or pagan countries that have been so inferior and created the annihilation of 100’s of millions of human beings, plus abortion “rights” and “euthanasia” and homosexual “rights” where there is no sexual morality...since they don’t believe man is anything more that a “trousered ape”.
Quick disclaimer: My previous post does not refer to militant atheists. THOSE people I don’t have any truck with.
It is the ones who, when you ask if they believe in God, shrug, pause and say “Well...I don’t know. I guess not.” I think those people can be helped. And even those who say “No. I don’t believe in God.” I think can be helped and at least tolerated, if that is as far as it goes.
It is the ones who try to sue to have “In God We Trust” removed from coinage, or the Ten Commandments removed from a courthouse, or who loudly and pointedly speak out in opposition to the belief in God. Them I have a problem with.
Hey, if you want to smoke a turd in hell, that is your choice, but don’t bring me into it.
I wonder if Dave Silverman would claim fear of bigotry as a reason he doesn’t sport a Pro-Life bumper sticker on his Prius?
“If you believe in nothing, you’ll fall for anything.”
-Peter Marshall, Chaplain of the United States Senate
God is my co-pilot.
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds...and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of...wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
-John Gillespie Magee, RCAF
Aircraft pilots are almost always conservative, Mr. Silverman.
High Flight, with FAA Supplement
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth(1),
And danced(2) the skies on laughter silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed(3) and joined the tumbling mirth(4)
Of sun-split clouds(5) and done a hundred things(6)
You have not dreamed of Wheeled and soared and swung(7)
High in the sunlit silence(8). Hov’ring there(9)
I’ve chased the shouting wind(10) along and flung(11)
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious(12), burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights(13) with easy grace,
Where never lark, or even eagle(14) flew;
And, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space(15),
Put out my hand(16), and touched the face of God.
1. Pilots must insure that all surly bonds have been slipped entirely before aircraft taxi or flight is attempted.
2. During periods of severe sky dancing, crew and passengers must keep seatbelts fastened. Crew should wear shoulderbelts as provided.
3. Sunward climbs must not exceed the maximum permitted aircraft ceiling.
4. Passenger aircraft are prohibited from joining the tumbling mirth.
5. Pilots flying through sun-split clouds under VFR conditions must comply with all applicable minimum clearances.
6. Do not perform these hundred things in front of Federal Aviation Administration inspectors.
7. Wheeling, soaring, and swinging will not be attempted except in aircraft rated for such activities and within utility class weight limits.
8. Be advised that sunlit silence will occur only when a major engine malfunction has occurred.
9. “Hov’ring there” will constitute a highly reliable signal that a flight emergency is imminent.
10. Forecasts of shouting winds are available from the local FSS. Encounters with unexpected shouting winds should be reported by pilots.
11. Pilots flinging eager craft through footless halls of air are reminded that they alone are responsible for maintaining separation from other eager craft.
12. Should any crewmember or passenger experience delirium while in the burning blue, submit an irregularity report upon flight termination.
13. Windswept heights will be topped by a minimum of 1,000 feet to maintain VFR minimum separations.
14. Aircraft engine ingestion of, or impact with, larks or eagles should be reported to the FAA and the appropriate aircraft maintenance facility.
15. Aircraft operating in the high untresspassed sanctity of space must remain in IFR flight regardless of meteorological conditions and visibility.
16. Pilots and passengers are reminded that opening doors or windows in order to touch the face of God may result in loss of cabin pressure.
Their Co-Pilot must have objected ;)
I don't see in this where they tried to get the government to force the pilots to fly the banners.
LOL!! Good one!
They aren’t AFRAID to fly anything. It is just the current trend, isn’t it, when we oppose something we are “AFRAID” of it. Like “homophobia.”
I don’t fear atheists or homosexuals. I oppose their agenda.
I believe you're wrong about that. In Article Six of the Constitution, the Founders specifically prohibited religious tests for public office. Excluding atheists from all aspects of Constitutional government would clearly be a religious test, and thus would clearly violate the constitution.
I don't think many atheists are losers, I just think they are misguided, or better, unguided.
I believe it is common for some people to join the military without a strong belief in God but leave the military strongly believing that God exists.
My favorite story is that of the Passenger ship Titanic. The owners of the ship boasted before the Maiden Voyage that "God himself could not sink the Titanic!"
In a sense, an iceberg is an act of God -- in terms of its creation and where it might be...
One thing for sure we won’t be seeing or associating with the Atheist when God comes for us..you could also say Muslims and Communist like Obama will be left behind too..
Non-Christians should have the right to refuse business transactions involving pro-Christian messages.
They can call it bigotry if they like. I simply call it freedom.
“Anytime the wing is moving faster than the fuselage it has to be unsafe.”
Ooooo, oooo! A fixed-wing bigot. I’ll bet you hate exhaust fans too. Bigot!
(Just joshin’ ya. Sorry, couldn’t resist...)
Perhaps not in this case - YET.
But thye have done so in the past and my suspicion is that the ACLU is preparing a suit as we speak.
There's that 20% again.
Since these things have been measured, liberals only make up about 20% of the US population. What's interesting, is that in story after story, on issue after issue, we find that the percentage of people who oppose any good, righteous, or common sense thing, come out to about 20%.
“the wing is flying faster than the fuselage”
Heh, heh, as a helicopter pilot (US Army retired) I’d never thought of that, although I will say that the further away from the main rotor the faster the rotor speed until at the rotor tips the velocity is actually supersonic. This is why when a UH-H “Huey” is approaching you, it sounds like a machine gun. That’s the sonic boom or “tip snap” of the rotors.
As to unsafe, well it’s true a helicopter requires the pilot’s constant attention. No set it and forget it to be sure. But in landing, a helicopter decelerates to a complete stop. And it is reassuring to be able to autorotate to a small forced landing area and touch down with no velocity remaining.
Anyway, the pilots were completely within their rights to not only refuse to tow banners with an atheistic (which really means anti-theistic) message, but to express their disgust at it as well.
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