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Pilots refuse to fly Independence Day atheist banners
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | July 4, 2011 | by John Jalsevac

Posted on 07/05/2011 10:16:10 AM PDT by topher

Pilots refuse to fly Independence Day atheist banners

by John Jalsevac

July 4, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – An atheist organization that sought to celebrate Independence Day by flying banners promoting atheism all across the United States nearly ran into a major snag – most of the pilots working for the advertizing company refused to fly the banners.

USA Today reports that 4 out of 5 pilots working for Fly Signs Aerial Advertising refused to participate in the campaign, which involved banners saying, “God-less America,” and “Atheism is patriotic.”

Only 17 of the company’s 85 pilots agreed to participate.

USA Today quotes one of the pilots, Red Calvert, saying, “I respect our country and I respect our churches and we’ve got enough problems in our country without stirring up some more. If those people want to do something they believe in, fine, just don’t include me.”

The $23,000 campaign is a project of the group American Atheists.

Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots’ refusal stems from Americans’ “bigotry.” “This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners,” he said, according to CNN.

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Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots’ refusal stems from Americans’ “bigotry.”

I don't think it is bigotry -- it is just that it is against the beliefs of the pilots...

1 posted on 07/05/2011 10:16:20 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher
Warning:

This is an Atheists are losers' thread...

2 posted on 07/05/2011 10:17:35 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: Salvation; Mrs. Don-o

ping. Nice to see some Americans do not put up with non-sense...


3 posted on 07/05/2011 10:18:41 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher

What will they think of next?


4 posted on 07/05/2011 10:19:35 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: topher

‘Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots’ refusal stems from Americans’ “bigotry.” “This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners,” he said, according to CNN.’

Dave, you arrogant jackass; you are confusing the concept of ‘fear’ with the reality of ‘disgust’. May God have mercy on your soul


5 posted on 07/05/2011 10:21:36 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: topher

Ultimately this is what we must all do. Refuse assent to the left’s culture war demands, whether the leftist aggressor is an official or private actor. This is how the Soviet Union died. All but the core oppressors decided enough was enough, and the bulk of the population withdrew their consent to be governed by a minority of oppressors.


6 posted on 07/05/2011 10:22:55 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: OriginalChristian

Since they were flying planes, they might not have wanted to tick God off.


7 posted on 07/05/2011 10:23:05 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: topher

If I were a nonbelieving pilot, I probably would not want to take chances by flying around a banner attacking God.


8 posted on 07/05/2011 10:23:18 AM PDT by all the best
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To: topher

Oh... they’re in my prayers...:o)


9 posted on 07/05/2011 10:24:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or the other." George Bush)
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To: topher

So they got 17 people to do it. What are they bitching about? People can’t have minds of their own, they’re not allowed to have their own beliefs? Why does everyone have to conform to their belief system or they aren’t happy? These atheist bigots make me sick!


10 posted on 07/05/2011 10:24:51 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: topher

“Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots’ refusal stems from Americans’ “bigotry.” “This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners,” he said, according to CNN.”

Why not, I don’t know, purchase some aircraft for the purpose of spreading their message? Why go through all the trouble of forcing those who don’t believe their message to promote it?


11 posted on 07/05/2011 10:25:01 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: topher

LOL! Good! They are!


12 posted on 07/05/2011 10:26:46 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: topher

I listened to a debate between James White and Dave Silverman (Hitchens was supposed to be the atheist) about whether the New Testament was “evil” (as if atheists can call anything evil). Dave Silverman self-imploded. It was actually kind of funny to listen to.


13 posted on 07/05/2011 10:28:50 AM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: topher
Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, said the pilots’ refusal stems from Americans’ “bigotry.” “This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners,” he said, according to CNN.

How could I have missed this news story?

Oh, it was on CNN....never mind.

14 posted on 07/05/2011 10:29:09 AM PDT by N. Theknow (POTUS Fauxbama (Poseur of the United States))
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To: FrdmLvr
People can’t have minds of their own, they’re not allowed to have their own beliefs?

These are the same jerks who'd be first to complain if the pilots were asked to fly pro-Christian messages at Easter.
15 posted on 07/05/2011 10:30:05 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: Psalm 144

You’ve got it exactly right: simply refuse to accede.


16 posted on 07/05/2011 10:30:27 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: topher
Maybe the pilots where thinking of their own safety?....
17 posted on 07/05/2011 10:30:47 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: topher
These people are Statists - they believe that a MINUSCULE minority of people - Atheists - have the right to impose THEIR worldview on the MAJORITY of believers.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCIZE THEREOF (my caps, underscore and bold).”

These atheists and some courts have CONSISTENTLY ignored the last part of that clause, and, in effect, made an effort to create the establishment of a religion - Atheism.

18 posted on 07/05/2011 10:31:10 AM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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To: topher
Tolerance only for atheists.

Atheists don't tolerate the rest of the world not revolving around them.

It is ok for them to insult others - darwin forbid there should be push back.

19 posted on 07/05/2011 10:32:04 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: gleeaikin
What will they think of next?

Fly banners reading "Death to Breeders" (heterosesuals, of course,) on Mother's and Fathers, Day.

Except for muslims, no religion I know of uses such tactics to intimidate any fringe neurotic group.
The phobia of religion is directly proportional to the rise in pervert activism.

20 posted on 07/05/2011 10:34:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: topher

Besides, pilots are loath to gamble.

What if?


21 posted on 07/05/2011 10:35:02 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ilovesarah2012
Since they were flying planes, they might not have wanted to tick God off.

They're safer then helicopters.

Anytime the wing is moving faster than the fuselage it has to be unsafe.

22 posted on 07/05/2011 10:35:20 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: topher

Bogotry is trying to demand no one be a Chrsitian or hold and religious views.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 10:37:38 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: topher

If they say it’s bigotry - it gets attention. They know exactly what they are doing, these godless maggots.


24 posted on 07/05/2011 10:40:21 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: topher
I don't think many atheists are losers, I just think they are misguided, or better, unguided.

Personlly, I think that what atheists do or don't believe is between them and their creator. They are the ones who will have to answer for it if they are wrong, so it is their business.

But, I find this interesting from two perspectives:

1.) That there were so many who refused to cooperate (turned down money or jepoardized their jobs to refuse to promote an atheist agenda)

2.) That they are being allowed to do so without being pursued with legal tongs and hammers by atheist organizations.

The organization referred to their "fear" (the pilots) as bigotry, but it is nothing of the sort.

On a humorous note, a pilot might say quite seriously to the atheists:

PILOT TO ATHEIST: "You may see nothing wrong with flying a plane trailing a banner that pokes God in the eye, but I have a wife and kids, and I don't want to answer before God as to why I put him in the position of wishing to hit my plane with that lightning bolt!""

25 posted on 07/05/2011 10:41:17 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: ZULU

“...These people are Statists - they believe that a MINUSCULE minority of people - Atheists - have the right to impose THEIR worldview on the MAJORITY of believers....”

The same way homos are doing.


26 posted on 07/05/2011 10:41:31 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: topher

Bravo to the 62 pilots who didn’t let politcally correct pressure force them to do something they thought was morally wrong.


27 posted on 07/05/2011 10:45:26 AM PDT by American Quilter (Take back the White House and Senate in 2012--end the Obama Depression.)
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To: topher

Since our Rights come from God....how can anyone fly such banners....it is like saying we have no inalienable rights which is against the Constitution and the Principles of our legal system.

Actually, the US would be within Constitutional rights to ban atheists from all aspects of Constitutional government since they don’t acknowledge that we have God-given rights.

That is how the Founders thought and Atheists were marginalized and not allowed to testify in court. We should get back to the Founding principles of this country which includes Absolute Truth and God. Everyone who doesn’t acknowledge that are free to leave and join those atheist or pagan countries that have been so inferior and created the annihilation of 100’s of millions of human beings, plus abortion “rights” and “euthanasia” and homosexual “rights” where there is no sexual morality...since they don’t believe man is anything more that a “trousered ape”.


28 posted on 07/05/2011 10:46:00 AM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: topher
These pilots have The Right Stuff!
29 posted on 07/05/2011 10:47:46 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Can you afford to board the Chattanooga Choo-Choo?)
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To: rlmorel

Quick disclaimer: My previous post does not refer to militant atheists. THOSE people I don’t have any truck with.

It is the ones who, when you ask if they believe in God, shrug, pause and say “Well...I don’t know. I guess not.” I think those people can be helped. And even those who say “No. I don’t believe in God.” I think can be helped and at least tolerated, if that is as far as it goes.

It is the ones who try to sue to have “In God We Trust” removed from coinage, or the Ten Commandments removed from a courthouse, or who loudly and pointedly speak out in opposition to the belief in God. Them I have a problem with.

Hey, if you want to smoke a turd in hell, that is your choice, but don’t bring me into it.


30 posted on 07/05/2011 10:49:12 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: topher

I wonder if Dave Silverman would claim fear of bigotry as a reason he doesn’t sport a Pro-Life bumper sticker on his Prius?


31 posted on 07/05/2011 10:49:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ilovesarah2012
Since they were flying planes, they might not have wanted to tick God off.

LOL!

32 posted on 07/05/2011 10:52:29 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (To paraphrase Sarah Palin: "I love when the liberals get all wee-wee'd up.")
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To: topher

“If you believe in nothing, you’ll fall for anything.”

-Peter Marshall, Chaplain of the United States Senate


33 posted on 07/05/2011 10:53:19 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Can you afford to board the Chattanooga Choo-Choo?)
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To: topher

God is my co-pilot.


34 posted on 07/05/2011 10:54:25 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“High Flight”

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds...and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of...wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

-John Gillespie Magee, RCAF


35 posted on 07/05/2011 10:59:53 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Can you afford to board the Chattanooga Choo-Choo?)
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To: topher

Aircraft pilots are almost always conservative, Mr. Silverman.


36 posted on 07/05/2011 10:59:53 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Emperor Palpatine

High Flight, with FAA Supplement

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth(1),
And danced(2) the skies on laughter silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed(3) and joined the tumbling mirth(4)
Of sun-split clouds(5) and done a hundred things(6)
You have not dreamed of — Wheeled and soared and swung(7)
High in the sunlit silence(8). Hov’ring there(9)
I’ve chased the shouting wind(10) along and flung(11)
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious(12), burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights(13) with easy grace,
Where never lark, or even eagle(14) flew;
And, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space(15),
Put out my hand(16), and touched the face of God.

NOTE:

1. Pilots must insure that all surly bonds have been slipped entirely before aircraft taxi or flight is attempted.
2. During periods of severe sky dancing, crew and passengers must keep seatbelts fastened. Crew should wear shoulderbelts as provided.
3. Sunward climbs must not exceed the maximum permitted aircraft ceiling.
4. Passenger aircraft are prohibited from joining the tumbling mirth.
5. Pilots flying through sun-split clouds under VFR conditions must comply with all applicable minimum clearances.
6. Do not perform these hundred things in front of Federal Aviation Administration inspectors.
7. Wheeling, soaring, and swinging will not be attempted except in aircraft rated for such activities and within utility class weight limits.
8. Be advised that sunlit silence will occur only when a major engine malfunction has occurred.
9. “Hov’ring there” will constitute a highly reliable signal that a flight emergency is imminent.
10. Forecasts of shouting winds are available from the local FSS. Encounters with unexpected shouting winds should be reported by pilots.
11. Pilots flinging eager craft through footless halls of air are reminded that they alone are responsible for maintaining separation from other eager craft.
12. Should any crewmember or passenger experience delirium while in the burning blue, submit an irregularity report upon flight termination.
13. Windswept heights will be topped by a minimum of 1,000 feet to maintain VFR minimum separations.
14. Aircraft engine ingestion of, or impact with, larks or eagles should be reported to the FAA and the appropriate aircraft maintenance facility.
15. Aircraft operating in the high untresspassed sanctity of space must remain in IFR flight regardless of meteorological conditions and visibility.
16. Pilots and passengers are reminded that opening doors or windows in order to touch the face of God may result in loss of cabin pressure.


37 posted on 07/05/2011 11:03:47 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: topher

Their Co-Pilot must have objected ;)


38 posted on 07/05/2011 11:05:57 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: topher

that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners

The only "fear" involved is the "fear of God" ... which is the "beginning of wisdom".


39 posted on 07/05/2011 11:06:03 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: ZULU
These people are Statists - they believe that a MINUSCULE minority of people - Atheists - have the right to impose THEIR worldview on the MAJORITY of believers.

I don't see in this where they tried to get the government to force the pilots to fly the banners.

40 posted on 07/05/2011 11:10:18 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ilovesarah2012
Since they were flying planes, they might not have wanted to tick God off.

LOL!! Good one!

41 posted on 07/05/2011 11:17:18 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: topher

They aren’t AFRAID to fly anything. It is just the current trend, isn’t it, when we oppose something we are “AFRAID” of it. Like “homophobia.”

I don’t fear atheists or homosexuals. I oppose their agenda.


42 posted on 07/05/2011 11:18:59 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: savagesusie
Actually, the US would be within Constitutional rights to ban atheists from all aspects of Constitutional government since they don’t acknowledge that we have God-given rights.

I believe you're wrong about that. In Article Six of the Constitution, the Founders specifically prohibited religious tests for public office. Excluding atheists from all aspects of Constitutional government would clearly be a religious test, and thus would clearly violate the constitution.

43 posted on 07/05/2011 11:22:50 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: rlmorel
You posted:

I don't think many atheists are losers, I just think they are misguided, or better, unguided.

I agree.

I believe it is common for some people to join the military without a strong belief in God but leave the military strongly believing that God exists.

My favorite story is that of the Passenger ship Titanic. The owners of the ship boasted before the Maiden Voyage that "God himself could not sink the Titanic!"

In a sense, an iceberg is an act of God -- in terms of its creation and where it might be...

44 posted on 07/05/2011 11:33:53 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher

One thing for sure we won’t be seeing or associating with the Atheist when God comes for us..you could also say Muslims and Communist like Obama will be left behind too..


45 posted on 07/05/2011 11:34:22 AM PDT by PLD
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To: topher
Christians should have the right to refuse business transactions involving anti-Christian messages.

Non-Christians should have the right to refuse business transactions involving pro-Christian messages.

They can call it bigotry if they like. I simply call it freedom.

46 posted on 07/05/2011 11:37:44 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (For by grace are you saved through faith.)
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To: Cowman

“Anytime the wing is moving faster than the fuselage it has to be unsafe.”

Ooooo, oooo! A fixed-wing bigot. I’ll bet you hate exhaust fans too. Bigot!

(Just joshin’ ya. Sorry, couldn’t resist...)


47 posted on 07/05/2011 11:42:19 AM PDT by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Perhaps not in this case - YET.

But thye have done so in the past and my suspicion is that the ACLU is preparing a suit as we speak.


48 posted on 07/05/2011 11:59:09 AM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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To: topher
"Only 17 of the company’s 85 pilots agreed to participate."

There's that 20% again.

Since these things have been measured, liberals only make up about 20% of the US population. What's interesting, is that in story after story, on issue after issue, we find that the percentage of people who oppose any good, righteous, or common sense thing, come out to about 20%.

Interesting, eh?

49 posted on 07/05/2011 11:59:47 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Peet

“the wing is flying faster than the fuselage”

Heh, heh, as a helicopter pilot (US Army retired) I’d never thought of that, although I will say that the further away from the main rotor the faster the rotor speed until at the rotor tips the velocity is actually supersonic. This is why when a UH-H “Huey” is approaching you, it sounds like a machine gun. That’s the sonic boom or “tip snap” of the rotors.

As to unsafe, well it’s true a helicopter requires the pilot’s constant attention. No set it and forget it to be sure. But in landing, a helicopter decelerates to a complete stop. And it is reassuring to be able to autorotate to a small forced landing area and touch down with no velocity remaining.

Anyway, the pilots were completely within their rights to not only refuse to tow banners with an atheistic (which really means anti-theistic) message, but to express their disgust at it as well.


50 posted on 07/05/2011 12:00:55 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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