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Let's Just Say...Perry, Palin...What Will Bush Do?
7-5-11 | Self

Posted on 07/05/2011 4:47:58 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich

The New York Slimes today published an editorial witht the premise that Bush hates Perry and vica versa...ok, I don't necessarily care about what the MSM thinks or is agitating to undermine us. But I am intrigued and curious as to the truth of such "rivalry".

What is the real story on this? Bush did spend too much money.

Do Bush and therefore Rove both hate Perry? Is there really a rivalry?

Will Bush endorse Perry with any VP namely (IMHO) Palin? or Bachman?

I believe if Bush doesn't endorse him/them (and I am predicting Perry runs, obviously - and even Palin with one of them as a VP choice) then he'd be viewed as a back stabber/traiter (yep, strong words, but I'm tired of silence and Rove's antics).


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bush; gardasilperry; govpalin; openborderperry; palin; patriotpalin; perry
What are your thoughts out there?
1 posted on 07/05/2011 4:48:03 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich
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To: CincyRichieRich

My guess is that GWB will not endorse anyone in the GOP primaries and then will quietly support the eventual GOP nominee whoever it is.


2 posted on 07/05/2011 4:51:05 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: CincyRichieRich

I’ve read the Bush family supported Kay Bailey Hutchinson in the governor’s race.


3 posted on 07/05/2011 4:51:15 PM PDT by radioone (How Can an Obscure Guy Who Did Diddly Squat in the Senate Become President?)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Bush was a TARPy RINO.

Romney is a RomneyCARE RINO.

Rove is a Backstabbing RINO.

Perry is a Gardasil-loving RINO.


"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn't make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan



4 posted on 07/05/2011 4:52:47 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Bush will support the GOP nominee, who ever it is......until then, he’ll stay out of the limelight and respect the process. Who could want more.....


5 posted on 07/05/2011 4:52:52 PM PDT by GotMojo
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To: radioone

Yes, they did.

They know Perry. Enough said.

I concur with Post #2.


6 posted on 07/05/2011 4:53:04 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: CincyRichieRich

Seems like this question doesn’t really matter very much, pardon my candor.


7 posted on 07/05/2011 4:54:47 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Leftist ideology is an intellectual failure, proven by the fact that it must be kept hidden. Morons.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Probably a planted story to aid Perry in blue states and swing states. It will also paint him as an outsider among the Tea Party folks. This is a fraudulent claim. Perry is very much an insider and an establishment guy. Karl Rove and other neocons would prefer him to Palin.


8 posted on 07/05/2011 4:55:03 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: rogue yam

You are, IMHO, quite correct.

I must say, at this point in my life, that I truly don’t give a rat’s arse what Bush or anyone else thinks, anyway.


9 posted on 07/05/2011 4:56:08 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Diogenesis
Perry is a Gardasil-loving RINO.

How many kids were forced to receive Gardasil?

10 posted on 07/05/2011 4:56:08 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: CincyRichieRich

It would be criminal to have Palin be number two to Perry.


11 posted on 07/05/2011 4:56:24 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: CincyRichieRich

First the NYT can NEVER be trusted when it comes to Republican politics.

Seems to me that the slimes are trying to pretend the Bush and Perry are not friends. My guess is it’s in order to get Perry the nomination, and to silent the critics that Perry is Bush III? Why would they do this is another debate? Perhaps they have that October surprise for Perry?


12 posted on 07/05/2011 4:56:54 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: JimWayne
Perry is very much an insider and an establishment guy.

100% PRIC Rick.

13 posted on 07/05/2011 4:58:21 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: JimWayne

Very well said and agree. I don’t trust Perry at all.


14 posted on 07/05/2011 4:59:33 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: humblegunner

"The vaccine, Gardasil, is manufactured by Merck,
which was represented in Austin by the lobbyist Mike Toomey,
who was chief of staff for Mr. Perry from 2002 to 2004. "


CDC: "As of June 22, 2011, approximately 35 million doses of Gardasil®
were distributed in the U.S. and VAERS received a total
of 18,727 reports of adverse events

As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports
of death among those who have received Gardasil®."


“Foaming at the mouth, shock, seizures, paralysis,
coma-even death have been reported
as a result of taking the vaccine Gardasil from Merck ... “


“ Critics rip Perry’s vaccine mandate
Governor rejects opponents’ calls to reverse order
AUSTIN — Gov. Rick Perry stood firm Monday against a political firestorm generated by his
order that sixth-grade girls be inoculated against a sexually transmitted virus linked to cervical cancer.
Social conservatives from Texas to Washington called on Perry to reverse his order making
Texas the first state to require the vaccine, saying the mandate makes sex seem permissible
and that parents should be the ones to decide whether to immunize their daughters.
And several Texas lawmakers expressed outrage at Perry for circumventing the legislative process. “


"RP65 – Relating to the immunization of young women
from the cancer-causing Human Papillomavirus.
Friday, February 02, 2007 • Executive Order
BY THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS
Rules.The Health and Human Services Executive Commissioner
shall adopt rules that mandate the age appropriate vaccination
of all female children for HPV prior to admission to the sixth grade."


The definition of mandate is a command by a person,
group, or organization (the 'mandator') to another
(the 'mandatary') to act in a particular way, or here
to ingest, inject, imbed a poison or other substance
they do not want and for which informed consent was
never taken.


"Gardasil Causes 400 Percent More Deaths than Other Common Vaccine
A federal report has concluded that the human papillomavirus (HPV)
vaccine Gardasil has a 400 percent higher rate of adverse effects
than another comparable vaccine, the Menactra anti-meningitis shot. "

15 posted on 07/05/2011 4:59:41 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Bush administration officials actively campaigned for Kay Bailey when she ran against Perry in the primary. Cheney did radio spots, Ma and Pa Bush endorsed her, Karen Hughes supported her. Members of the Bush administration were trying hard to get rid of Perry.


16 posted on 07/05/2011 4:59:49 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Diogenesis

All that... and no answer to how many kids were forced to get Gardasil.

I’m starting to think you don’t know the answer.


17 posted on 07/05/2011 5:04:00 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: CincyRichieRich

The NYT is also 100% in the Obama camp. They are equivalent to Joseph Goebbels fanaticism and propaganda for the Obama camp.

If they start pretending to just report the news when it comes to the Republicans, then you can bet rest assured that is the candidate we do not want. The fact that Karl Rove is endorsing him should alarm you too.

We need outside candidate if our country is to have any chance. Another 4 years of Obama would be disastrous.


18 posted on 07/05/2011 5:06:33 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: CincyRichieRich
There's always rivalry in politics. Rivalry isn't always hatred, though.

I doubt Bush and Perry "hated" each other any more than Reagan and Bush's father "hated" each other.

Politicians being practical people can smooth over ruffled feathers if they want to, so there's no reason for resentments to fester.

But if Perry runs he'll slam Bush to build up his own conservative credentials, and Bush will respond by playing coy about endorsement or support.

Ex-Presidents don't want to get too closely tied to any candidate for the nomination. I could see Bush making quiet positive noises about Romney or Huntsman if Perry is in the race and sniping at the Bushes.

But Palin? That would be interesting. The fact that W's not expected to make an explicit endorsement would probably prevent him from getting in the middle.

19 posted on 07/05/2011 5:07:26 PM PDT by x
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To: CincyRichieRich
Will Bush endorse Perry with any VP namely (IMHO) Palin?

Yes, Bush will endorse the Republican ticket no matter who it is. He will endorse it, and the ticket and party will thank him and ask him to go back to being quiet.

Why on earth do people think Palin would ever be the VP candidate? She ran once for Vice President, and she is never going to do it again. Governor Palin will run for President or not run at all. She is not going to play for 2nd fiddle again.

If Perry runs and Palin doesn't, Perry would probably look to someone like Rubio as his VP running mate. You can already begin to see that train leaving the station with Rubio being more aggressive about attacking Hussein and giving more quote worthy statements and speeches. He knows any nominee is going to look at him as their running mate as a means to win both Florida and a higher share of Hispanic voters.

20 posted on 07/05/2011 5:09:05 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: CincyRichieRich

I think the NYT is trying to start a fight. They’re either starting one or lying about one when it comes to politics.


21 posted on 07/05/2011 5:09:44 PM PDT by freedom_is_earned
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To: humblegunner

Oh! Oh! Let me guess....ZERO?


22 posted on 07/05/2011 5:12:20 PM PDT by notatard?
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To: CincyRichieRich
They know that linking Rove and Jorge with him shows what a rino he truly is. And no the bushes never, never, never burn political bridges.
23 posted on 07/05/2011 5:18:19 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: JimWayne
Probably a planted story to aid Perry in blue states and swing states. It will also paint him as an outsider among the Tea Party folks. This is a fraudulent claim. Perry is very much an insider and an establishment guy. Karl Rove and other neocons would prefer him to Palin.

Or in another way, Palin preferred Perry over Rove (see the primary election in texas).

Palin is no fan of Roves and vice versa, its telling that she went to the stump for Perry, while Rove tried to unseat him in a primary election (and GHWB endorsed Hutchinson).

24 posted on 07/05/2011 5:29:00 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The Bush support for Hutchinson was likely a payback to her for gutting the Secure Fence Act. It was a huge political gamble on her part, and smacked of a suitcase-full-of-cash or someone very high up the totem pole calling in a favor. Hutchinson may very well have named the Governor’s seat as her price for doing the deed.

There is no ideological rift between Perry and the Bushes. Governor Perry is very much a Rove/Bush creation. To the extent there is any friction between Perry and the Bushes, it is a turf war for Texas’ influence peddling racket - not a policy disagreement.

Perry is looking very likely to end up as the VP pick on the Romney ticket. Both Bushes will undoubtedly endorse when the time comes.


25 posted on 07/05/2011 5:29:23 PM PDT by CowboyJay
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To: CincyRichieRich
Bush-Perry Spat Overblown – Hostility is With Advisors
26 posted on 07/05/2011 5:30:33 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: freedom_is_earned

“I think the NYT is trying to start a fight. ...”

BINGO!!!’Bammy’s only hope next year is a ruptured Republican Party.


27 posted on 07/05/2011 5:31:51 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: Longbow1969
Perry would probably look to someone like Rubio as his VP running mate.

I thought Rubio had a Natural Born Citizen problem. Parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born. Is this correct?

28 posted on 07/05/2011 5:40:40 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (w)
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To: InterceptPoint
Correct, but a lot of so called conservative look at the living document/liberal version of the Constitution.
29 posted on 07/05/2011 5:43:17 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: InterceptPoint
I thought Rubio had a Natural Born Citizen problem. Parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born. Is this correct?

With the WND/birther crowd maybe, but not with actual standards recognized by the current courts.

Saying that, if Rubio were asked to be the GOP VP running mate, it would be hilarious to watch how quickly the left/Democrats suddenly want a stricter definition of what an NBC is but ONLY where it applies to Rubio's particular situation. The hypocrisy will be astounding.

30 posted on 07/05/2011 6:03:32 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: CincyRichieRich

“Do Bush and therefore Rove both hate Perry? Is there really a rivalry?”

I don’t know, but anyone who irritates both Bush and Rove might be a keeper. Someone those two would approve of is not.


31 posted on 07/05/2011 6:06:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: x

“But Palin? That would be interesting. The fact that W’s not expected to make an explicit endorsement would probably prevent him from getting in the middle.”

The dominant hive queens in that nest would not remain quiet, even if the drones were. They could not help themselves.


32 posted on 07/05/2011 6:12:17 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: freedom_is_earned

You got it!

And, why would they want to put some space between Perry and Bush? Hmmmmm.......


33 posted on 07/05/2011 6:13:56 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: CowboyJay

“Governor Perry is very much a Rove/Bush creation.”

You state what has always been a nagging worry for me. Others assert the rivalry and breach is real. I do get fake-o-meter readings off of Perry, but it doesn’t go off of the chart like it does with Romney and about half of the announced candidates.


34 posted on 07/05/2011 6:15:37 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: Psalm 144

Calling Perry a Rove/Bush creation completely ignores the Bushes efforts to get rid of Perry during the last primaries.

I don’t know how deep it goes, but there has been a public battle between them that has been going on for years.


35 posted on 07/05/2011 6:33:18 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I don’t know, as I have been outside of the state for so many years. I am uneasy about him, but prefer him to most of the announced candidates.


36 posted on 07/05/2011 6:37:45 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Karl in a Corner
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_scott_ho_080408_karl_in_a_corner.htm
Second, Rove’s opponents would regularly find that they had suddenly become the target
of a criminal investigation, and details concerning the investigation would be
aggressively fanned to the press. Rove mastered this technique in a contest
for the Texas Agriculture Commissioner’s post that he managed for now-Governor Rick Perry.

It Started in Texas: Karl Rove’s Political Prosecutions
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000569
1. Rove was hired to run the campaign of Rick Perry, the current governor,
for the powerful Texas office of Commissioner of Agriculture, then held by
Democrat Jim Hightower. Shortly thereafter, it was clear that a major
FBI investigation had been launched into the workings of the Texas Agriculture
Department (TDA), focusing on Hightower and his senior lieutenants, who had been
pursuing a populist, anti-corporate agriculture and pro-small-farmer agenda.

Jim Hightower talks about his new book, “Thieves in High Places: They’ve Stolen Our Country and it’s Time to Take it Back”
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/08/21_hightower.html
HIGHTOWER: Rick Perry, back then (currently Texas Governor), was his client, so to speak,
and Perry had been recruited. He was sort of a nothing Texas legislator who had been brought
in — again as an affable fellow without any brain muscle. Perry was essentially sent to
wander around out in West Texas during the campaign so he would be out of the way,
while Rove worked this FBI agent and raised money from the chemical industry
and other corporate interests that opposed me. Rove had George Bush go on
television against me. Then Rove ran a series of television ads that
established a new low in negative advertising.

For example, they showed a long-haired guy setting a flag on fire,
and throwing it on the ground. And then my picture came up out of the fire, and said
“Hightower supports flag burning,” which, of course, I don t. But it doesn t matter,
you know. I had to go around answering: “Why do you support flag burning?”
Rove had another ad of me campaigning with Jesse Jackson, who I supported in 1988
in the Presidential campaign. And Rove ran this ad that essentially was a smear
on Jackson and then tying me to him. The ad so angered the Black Caucus in the State Legislature
that they convened their own press conferences in Houston and Dallas to assail it. But again it was too late.
All this was happening in the last three weeks of the election. So, I mean, that s just who the guy is.


37 posted on 07/05/2011 6:44:13 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Psalm 144

Romney isn’t pretending to be tea party.

I think Romney would almost come close to admitting that the words coming out of his mouth don’t really mean much to him, that he wants to be President, and he really just wants to know how big the check needs to be and who to send it to.

Romney’s country club supporters seem to understand this and don’t mind. He doesn’t have those difficult principles that cause conservatives to pursue agendas that don’t have clear support in the polls.

Perry is trying to trick the tea party.

I’m looking for someone who isn’t tied to Rove. Someone who Rove never even met. Not someone who Rove switched to Democrat, but now is fighting with. Oh. Look. Rove and Perry made up. Big surprise.

I dont’ trust Rove, I don’t trust that story.

Someone Rove never worked for is a requirement.


38 posted on 07/05/2011 6:51:33 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Psalm 144

Quite right. Perry’s not quite as bad as Romney. If he threw his hat in the ring, he’d be roughly the 3rd worst candidate, behind Romney and Huntsman. The “at least he’s better than Mitt” argument is thinking a little too linear though, IMHO. Perry is very likely to end up as Romney’s VP pick after handing him the nomination on a silver platter.

I find the timing of the Perry push a bit suspect. Bachmann had just started pulling ahead of Romney in the polls, and suddenly every DC hack and their media retainers are pushing Perry to run (”for the good of the party” of course).

I believe they’ve done the political calculus, and figured Perry can splinter-off enough support from either Bachmann or Palin in the South to sink their candidacies and put Mitt in the driver’s seat. Sickens me to say it, but Perry in the race pretty much guarantees Romney at the top of the GOP ticket in 2012.


39 posted on 07/05/2011 6:59:36 PM PDT by CowboyJay
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To: rogue yam
you are right - Pres. Bush will stay clear of any primary endorsement but will for the General Election without a lot of fanfare.
40 posted on 07/05/2011 7:03:19 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I know the Bushes wanted Mitch Daniels to be their guy, not Perry and I know they got publicly behind Kay Barely Republican to unseat Perry as governor. So, there is something of a rift there.

It would not shock me if the pro-abort Bush women dislike Perry for some of his Pro-Life signings and you’ll hear from sniping from them if either Palin or Bachmann emerge on the ticket.

It also struck me that Perry was very vocal about border issues (while tiptoeing about whether Mexican illegals were actually criminals) while Dubya Bush was still President, yet I don’t recall Perry ever criticising Bush by name, always blaming “Washington” or “Congress” or “the federal government”.

I think the Bushes will quietly support the ticket, whoever it is, but their participation and cooperation will probably be less with a Tea Party conservative as the nominee than with a beltway RINO.


41 posted on 07/05/2011 7:04:10 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: GotMojo

That’s the way it used to be for all President. They did their job, and when it was over they stayed out of the way.

Of course, Democraps like Carter and Clinton can’t do that. Obama will be even worse.


42 posted on 07/05/2011 7:36:36 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: x

He will just let his old abortion lovin momma do it, that is the Bush way.


43 posted on 07/05/2011 7:39:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (Fair warning--I will vote for Palin, if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I would refer you to an National Review article from a few months ago about Perry. He and the Bushes (or as he calls them the bushies) do not like each other. They endorsed Kay Bailey over Perry while Sarah Palin endorsed Perry. Could that be why Barbie Bush wanted Palin to stay in Alaska? But yes the Perry’s and the Bush’s do not like each other and if Perry runs dont be too surprised if Jeb Bush gets in.


44 posted on 07/05/2011 9:14:39 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: 9YearLurker

Palin would never accept a number two spot again, IMHO. And she is too popular for it to ever come to that, so is a moot question.


45 posted on 07/06/2011 7:38:43 AM PDT by Babu
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