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'She is a good mother... we were right' Juror defends shock acquittal of Casey Anthony
Daily Mail ^ | July 6, 2011 | John Stevens

Posted on 07/06/2011 1:58:31 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

An alternate juror in the Casey Anthony trials has said that he believes that Anthony was a good mother and that two-year-old Caylee’s death was just a horrific accident.

The sensational acquittal of Casey Anthony sparked outrage across the U.S. as angry spectators compared the trial’s outcome to the infamous verdict in the OJ Simpson case.

But Russell Huekler, one of five alternate jurors who were present for all the testimony and were sequestered with the 12 other jurors, said he would have given the same verdict and is stunned by the public anger.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: anthony; casey; caseyanthony; caylee; oj
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To: Mmogamer

Wow this thread went kaput really fast heh.


201 posted on 07/06/2011 5:19:57 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: screaminsunshine

“Someone has got to put the fire out in this insanity.”


Perhaps you haven’t heard.

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I’ve heard that chocolate goes down the best.

Good luck... get well.


202 posted on 07/06/2011 5:21:01 PM PDT by Gator113 (weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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To: jwalsh07
THEY MUST BE. My advice, quit giving them a remark back.

IGNORE, is the best alternative.

I admit I wanted to make a remark back, but see it is fruitless to make idiots understand anything.

203 posted on 07/06/2011 5:22:37 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: yarddog

When the whole purpose of jury selection is to find the 12 dumbest people possible to serve this is what you get.

However, from what I’ve heard and read the prosecutor failed to prove the case—because of incompetence and/or lack of credible evidence.

My own personal take, in the absence of any other info, is the child got into the pool and drowned. The mother, a serial and long time liar, paniced. She tried to make it look like someone drowned her child then carried the little girl in a trash bag into the woods.

The mother may be guilty of evidence tampering and perhaps child neglect (she many not have been keeping track of her kid), but she did not kill the child.

Frankly, I never heard a credible motive posited. And the mother’s story got so convoluted that at some point you have to wonder where it all was leading. I’m a big fan of the KISS principle. The injection of chloroform into the story seems to have come from the lying mother. But, as far as I know there was never any evidence that it was used. The coroner’s report indicated death by drowning as I recall. Don’t know how quickly the body decomposes chloroform. Is two days in the woods sufficient to make it undetectable? I don’t know. Bottom line: The whole thing sounds like a pathological liar just making things up as she went along.

I suspect an ambitious prosecutor saw a chance to convict this flawed woman in as sensational murder case. He lost sight of reality.

Unless a “smoking gun” appears pointing to the mother murdering her child I think all of this is just a tragic accident.


204 posted on 07/06/2011 5:30:35 PM PDT by dools0007world (uestion)
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To: Jeff Chandler

IDIOTS. I cannot say that enough.

IDIOT, Commie, Dollar-signs-in-their-eyes DEMOCRATS from Pinellas County. MORONS. Digusting Americans.


205 posted on 07/06/2011 5:30:51 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: ozaukeemom
My daughter wandered off, while I was working in the yard years ago.

I tell you I was out of my mind with TERROR, it was only a split second and she was gone. She had wandered down to the other street and up to the highway. A young boy saw her, took her to his home and called police, just about the same time I called them. She came home ok. BUT, it can happen in a flash.

Point, is ALL GOOD MOTHERS will panic and call Police the minute they go missing.

Casey did not, she LIED for 6 months about Caylee all the while she partied.

206 posted on 07/06/2011 5:31:31 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Gator113

Can not comment at the moment. I await a ruling. Sorry.


207 posted on 07/06/2011 5:34:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Gator113

LOL, let’s see now I think it goes alphabetical and I will stop at R and let you go to the next letter.


208 posted on 07/06/2011 5:34:12 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: dools0007world
The coroner’s report indicated death by drowning as I recall.

That's false, there was no cause of death by the coroner! How can they have a drowning as cause when there was no soft tissue left to examine???? It was a skeleton!!! See how rumors get started??

209 posted on 07/06/2011 5:35:03 PM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-Socialist in Chief!)
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To: annieokie

You’re right of course. But it’s very often impossible to “shake the dust from thy feet” when you can try one more argument.


210 posted on 07/06/2011 5:35:59 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: ozaukeemom

I was on an attempted murder, guy was guilty, evidence proved it. We got back in the jury room and one gal voted not guilty. When we asked why she said...well they didn’t proved blah blah blah. I said yes they did. It was WHILE YOU WERE SLEEPING!
Jeez!


211 posted on 07/06/2011 5:39:11 PM PDT by sheana
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To: screaminsunshine
Someone has got to put the fire out in this insanity. Mob rule can not be allowed to run rampant. This is really sick and vile. Attacking this jury has got to be the most disgusting display I have ever witnessed. Please for all our sakes let it end.

This kind of thinking is the new Obama America. The new liberal, love abortion America. Why should we be quiet, it's one of the few freedoms we still have for the moment!

The liberal mindset thinks it's ok to kill an unborn child, so now the liberals on juries think it's ok to kill a 2 year old too!

Please don't reply with "there wasn't a cause of death"!!! There was no cause of death of Laci Peterson either, but Scott is on death row! The killers hope the bodies aren't found til they are skeletinized, therefore, no evidence of cause of death!!!!

212 posted on 07/06/2011 5:42:56 PM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-Socialist in Chief!)
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To: Mach9

Oh, beleive me I DO UNDERSTAND. I will continue to let you have the pleasure, you are doing a good job and don’t need my help.


213 posted on 07/06/2011 5:45:10 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: blondee123

No comment right now. Awaiting ruling on complaints about my posts from the moderator. I may have overstepped the debate rules and annoyed people. Sorry.


214 posted on 07/06/2011 5:46:23 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Gator113
I wonder what the alternate juror’s FR name is?Alternate juror is probably from DU, not FR!
215 posted on 07/06/2011 5:47:56 PM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-Socialist in Chief!)
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To: annieokie

My son went to the shopping center across the street. Thankfully, the security guard recognized him, called the police, all the all while telling them I was a good mother and something must be wrong. I thank God every day for that kind man. And, that we were in Texas and not San Diego. I had not called the police yet because I was looking for him in the complex (ran to the pool). A man driving down the street, heard me calling his name, pulled in and told me he had seen him. I cannot, to this day, believe how it all went. God was so good to me.


216 posted on 07/06/2011 5:47:56 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: Admin Moderator

A HUGE THANK YOU!


217 posted on 07/06/2011 5:50:33 PM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-Socialist in Chief!)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

best post I’ve read so far.

Why do people have to know how she died when she was found bagged up and taped with material from the house?

Her hair in the trunk, chloroform in the trunk - smell from the trunk.

the csi crowd think it’s actually possible to have perfect gotchya forensic evidence and that circumstantial evidence isn’t any good.

Many cases have been won with less evidence because other juries used this thing called COMMON SENSE.


218 posted on 07/06/2011 5:52:58 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: annieokie

LOL... I got it. You’re clever. LOL


219 posted on 07/06/2011 5:53:11 PM PDT by Gator113 (weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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To: screaminsunshine
No comment right now. Awaiting ruling on complaints about my posts from the moderator. I may have overstepped the debate rules and annoyed people. Sorry.

Ya think???

220 posted on 07/06/2011 5:54:28 PM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-Socialist in Chief!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you....


221 posted on 07/06/2011 5:55:00 PM PDT by Gator113 (weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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To: ozaukeemom
God was good to both of us. I was petrified when I turned around and she was gone.

This was before the Amber Alert, so if that little boy had not found her and called the Police. I would have to wait for days before they would start looking.

Thank God we now have the Amber Alert, but that is only used by Parents WHO CARE.

SO. go to this website: www.change.org.

This is a petition to have a new law, which will make it a FELONY for any parent of a missing child who does not REPORT it.

Saw the site today, from OKLA., it had at that time about 80K signers, from all over the U.S., that is just this morning count.

Sorry, I am not to hep on making it clickable here. Maybe someone else can do that for me. This is very important and needs to get out to everyone.

Casey would be sitting in Prison as we speak, if that had been in force before this trial.

222 posted on 07/06/2011 5:59:56 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: blondee123

No comment. I am in trouble with the moderators.


223 posted on 07/06/2011 6:00:54 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: cripplecreek
"The results are the same but a “Not Guilty” verdict is the jury affirming that guilt wasn’t proven. The not guilty verdict actually is preferable in this case because she can be tried if again if new evidence surfaces."

Your information is wrong. A not guilty verdict is an aquittal. You cannot be tried again for the same offense after a not guilty verdict.

224 posted on 07/06/2011 6:04:56 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Scotswife

>>Many cases have been won with less evidence because other juries used this thing called COMMON SENSE.<<

I’m afraid in too many places, common sense is as dead as that little baby girl.


225 posted on 07/06/2011 6:09:00 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: screaminsunshine
"Someone has got to put the fire out in this insanity. Mob rule can not be allowed to run rampant."

The insanity is thinking that disagreeing with the jury is somehow mob rule. We never gave up the right to disagree with a jury verdict, even if we accept that it's the final word.

I am amazed by how uninformed and silly much of the argument is coming from the posters defending this jury.

226 posted on 07/06/2011 6:10:23 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

No comment. The moderators are mad at me for upsetting the debate. i am awaiting to hear from them if I should comment. Sorry.


227 posted on 07/06/2011 6:12:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
O'Reilly just ran the Huekler interview.

Hueckler didn't understand why evidence that was "right there" wasn't presented ~ and his reference was to "the accident" ~

Talk about a disconnect ~ fortunately none of our Freepers have shown one of this degree ~ but if EVIDENCE WASN'T PRESENTED then THEY DIDN'T SEE IT and THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT then........

And of course NO ONE KNEW about the "accident" evidence because none was presented because none existed.

That was merely assertion by lawyer Baez.

228 posted on 07/06/2011 6:12:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blondee123

How long was Caylee missing? I fully admit to not being an authority on this murder. Children’s violent deaths enrage me so I tend to wait for the process to play out before I engage my emotions.

Believe me I understand your rage and wanting someone to pay. But that does not substitute for proof.

So now, according to you we have no ccause of death. On top of that there no credible motive was established. On top of that none of the mother’s DNA shows up on any of the evidence—to include the duct tape covering the little girls and nose and mouth.

Aside from some vague internet queries by someone, we don’t know who, about broken necks and such there is no evidence tying the mother or them to the girl’s death. And the little girl did not die from any of those. Even in the absense of tissue, the bones could have remained in tact for years. A coroner would have seen a broken neck if there was one.

In short, at the end of the day, there was no evidence tying a pathologically lying mother to her dauighter’s death. The fact that it took her two days, two weeks or two monthd to report her daughter missing does not prove she murdered her. An alternative explanation is that the lying mother was simply trying to protect herself from a child neglect charge. She was divorced, no? She had sole custody of the child. A child neglect conviction would almost certainly take sole custody away from. Hence, the panic which drove her to do and say stupid things.

One thing you may not be aware of with regard to the law. Each law has specific points of proof that must be satisfied for conviction. Jurers are given that info. It’s like a checklist. If all the boxes are not checked the accused must be found not guilty. Jurers do not just go into the jury room and find an accused guilty or not guilty based on emotion. There are rules they must follow.

Of course, no system is perfect. I give you the OJ Simpson case. Despite the evidence of his guilt the jury deliberately refused to check all the boxes and found him not guilty. The prosecutor in that case bungled the case sufficiently to allow OJ to literally get away with murder. It may be the prosecutor in the Anthony case did the same thing. But right now I believe Mrs. Anthony did not kill her child. I believe she did and said some incredibly stupid to cover up the girl’s accidental drowning.


229 posted on 07/06/2011 6:14:02 PM PDT by dools0007world (uestion)
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To: screaminsunshine

While I believe that Casey had more to do with Caylee’s death than the jury believed, I blame first the prosecution. You simply do not go balls to the wall on 1st Degree Murder without a solid case. And Laci Peterson has nothing to do with this. Witnesses put Scott in the boat that day (Where’s Howlin when ya need her?). No witnesses, no DNA, and a boatload of circumstantial evidence that was not logically explained by the prosecution. This left truck-sized holes that Baez was able to just shred apart. Did Casey kill her daughter? Probably did in my opinion. The fact that not a one of the 12 even held out for a mistrial or to pull a reverse 12 Angry Men tactic tells me that given their charge by the judge, they all had reasonable doubt. Yeah, I think Casey got away with murder as did O.J. But that is the way the system works. Presumption of innocence and reasonable doubt. The prosecution could have gotten a conviction for manslaughter had they set the standard there - maybe even Casey would’ve plead out for it. This being a capital case is quite different from a jurist’s point of view. Maybe they were spoiled by watching too much CSI and seeing how much evidence there should have been... who knows. Now Casey gets judged in the court of public opinion which will not be anywhere near as merciful as her jury was.


230 posted on 07/06/2011 6:16:01 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Execute Order 66)
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To: dools0007world

“How long was Caylee missing?”

Caylee was missing for 31 days, while Casey told the family that she had been taken by a (turns out, nonexistent) nanny named (get this)...”Zanny.”

During this time, Casey made NO calls to the police. When pressed by the family that Casey needed to get Caylee back, Casey assured them that she was taking care of it.

All lies, of course.


231 posted on 07/06/2011 6:18:51 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Tuxedo

No comment. The moderators of the site are upset about my comments and offending people. This is their site and I respect that. I am awaiting word from them if I should make any further comments. But TX for the reply.


232 posted on 07/06/2011 6:18:51 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: screaminsunshine

>>No comment. The moderators of the site are upset about my comments and offending people. This is their site and I respect that. I am awaiting word from them if I should make any further comments. But TX for the reply.<<

Maybe you should play it safe and just go away.


233 posted on 07/06/2011 6:19:42 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: screaminsunshine

No problem - I understand what you are trying to do. People’s emotions are running high and there is considerable outrage out there. But this ain’t quite O.J. either. That time there was a ton of forensic evidence. The jury just ignored it all.


234 posted on 07/06/2011 6:21:51 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Execute Order 66)
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To: DonaldC
There were more than half a dozen charges. She was found guilty on four of them. There was more than one choice on the murder part.

What you must remember is she was a mother and she had lawful custody of her daughter. Then one day the daughter disappeared and she waited 31 days to report her missing. In the meantime she is seen partying and getting tattoos. All the while she knew her daughter was missing.

Prove what?

That jury even refused to convict her of child abuse ~ which is what happens to your kid when she goes missing and you don't report her missing to someone.

The jury imagined something ~

235 posted on 07/06/2011 6:22:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Now, screamin is entitled to her opinion just as much as we are. I just happen to somewhat disagree with her is all.
Apology accepted.


236 posted on 07/06/2011 6:23:11 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

No comment.


237 posted on 07/06/2011 6:23:52 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Mmogamer

>>Now, screamin is entitled to her opinion just as much as we are.<<

Yeah, the Nazi stuff and the Sieg Heil! comments were probably just slips of the keyboard. lol

Could happen to anyone.


238 posted on 07/06/2011 6:25:06 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Tuxedo

No comment until I hear from the moderators. This is their site. People are complaining about my comments.


239 posted on 07/06/2011 6:25:52 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Hm I musta missed that post I don’t remember that.. was it the removed comment?


240 posted on 07/06/2011 6:26:28 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Mmogamer

There were SEVERAL Nazi references. He/she even said this reminded him/her of 1930’s Germany. Are they removed now?

The “Seig Heil!” comment was directed specifically to me.

These weren’t just typical fare.


241 posted on 07/06/2011 6:28:46 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

She can NOT be tried again. She can walk out of jail tomorrow and tell the world I did it and no one can touch her.


242 posted on 07/06/2011 6:29:38 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Exactly.


243 posted on 07/06/2011 6:30:25 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: screaminsunshine

Your comments right now are the best you have made for days.

Very coherent, albeit kind of leaning toward self pity.


244 posted on 07/06/2011 6:30:25 PM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy

No comment. TX for the reply.


245 posted on 07/06/2011 6:31:37 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: dools0007world
No DNA showed up on the duct tape etc. cause poor Caylee floated in flood waters in the heat in a swamp/dump, thanks to someone who "buried" her there!

Divorced, Casey? NO, she was never married, her parents supported the baby Caylee while Casey partied! Before commenting in such a lengthy way, you should really get the facts of the case. Casey also spent the entire day, after Caylee was missing/dead, in bed with her boyfriend who testified on the stand that he even called off work to stay in bed all day with Casey! Tatoos, shortly after Casey went missing, buying beer, partying, smell of decomposition in the trunk of HER car, identified by her own father, mother, and others who have smelled that smell in their lifetime. All say it's an odor you never forget.

246 posted on 07/06/2011 6:31:44 PM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-Socialist in Chief!)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

One thing which can happen to warp a jury is if a lawyer or lawyers happen to know the jurors and can strike a jury to get whatever type the lawyer wants.

I knew a lawyer in a small town in Alabama who nearly retired and alcoholic. He did little business but other lawyers would pay him to help them strike a jury because he had been so good at it in his day and he knew everyone.


247 posted on 07/06/2011 6:32:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
You’ve got to understand where this woman is coming from. She didn’t get to see the news reports, didn’t hear Jane and Nancy lay out the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So she didn’t have the “advantage” all the rest of us had in coming to this decision. It is not her fault that she was sequestered and couldn’t watch CNN ... so if she’s come to a different conclusion than most of the rest of the world, that is the reason. (/s)

I didn't watch Jane or Nancy or CNN or Fox or any of that. I read transcripts of depositions, of certain testimony in court. I didn't agree with this verdict.

From this article, an alternate juror said this,

............"'Yeah, the behavior was bizarre, but what I took from that is that the family was very dysfunctional.

Because they were so dysfunctional, that was the norm for them,' Mr Huekler told Good Morning America.

'Casey didn't just start lying for the first 31 days [after Caylee disappeared]. She had been lying for the past two years...I felt it was the norm for her.'".............


So because it was normal for her to lie, when it was explained that really, really this time she was telling the truth....that it was an accident.....he believes her? Explain that kind of logic/justification.
248 posted on 07/06/2011 6:33:03 PM PDT by Girlene (If da trunk don't smell; she's free as he**)
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To: blondee123

My wife works for a funeral home and she will concur - you never do forget that smell.


249 posted on 07/06/2011 6:33:10 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Execute Order 66)
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To: yarddog

>>One thing which can happen to warp a jury is if a lawyer or lawyers happen to know the jurors and can strike a jury to get whatever type the lawyer wants.
<<

Well if ever a jury needed a good striking, it’s this one.

HAHAHAHAHA I made a funny!

(Sort of).


250 posted on 07/06/2011 6:34:22 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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