Skip to comments.MSNBC's Religious Expert Excoriates 'Radical,' 'Theocratic' Christians Who 'Hate' America
Posted on 07/06/2011 3:27:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
In a segment on the religiosity of Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry, MSNBC's Richard Lui on Wednesday looked to an author who has smeared conservative Christians as "radical," weird individuals who "hate" America.
The guest host for Martin Bashir interviewed Frank Schaeffer, a blogger on the liberal Huffington Post website and also a constant critic of the religious right. Schaeffer, the son of a conservative theologian, excoriated conservatives: "But, I came to understand that these people actually hate the United States as it is."
Lui never pointed out Schaeffer's liberal leanings or his endorsement of Barack Obama in 2008. The author and blogger warned of apocalyptic dangers, should Bachmann be elected president: "She comes from a wing of the evangelical movement where takes the Bible literally, and that includes the Old Testament that has passages about stoning gay people to death and all the rest of it."
Apparently, if the Republican Congresswoman wins the White House, she "would produce a theocracy in the country where the Bible would be paramount and no longer the Constitution or the Bill of Rights."
Lui didn't call Schaeffer on his apparent contradiction. Just a few minutes after the above quote, the writer suggested that when Christian Republican candidates come into office, "the only people they actually serve is Wall Street, and- and- and so really the social issues are a red herring..."
Schaeffer was appearing, partly, to promote his book, "Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway." (Lui awkwardly read the whole title.)
In July of 2010, Schaeffer, whose family helped promote the pro-life movement in the '70s, asserted that some of the "nuttiest" evangelicals support Israel.
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Lui didn't call Schaeffer on his apparent contradiction.
What a loony toon. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Yawn. A liberal accusing others of his own crimes. What’s new?
The distorted projections of the liberal mind on display for all the world to see. Take a look in the mirror Mr. Schaeffer.
Too bad, his father was a theological giant. I don’t know how his son could go so radically wrong.
Franky’s making the rounds. Lord have mercy
At last, something liberals and conservatives have in common!
What this all comes down to is definition. What is the USA, or what should it be?
Liberals and conservatives have very different opinions on this subject. FWIW, our Civil War was fought over a definitional issue of this type. What was the USA going to be?
Is Frank Schaeffer related to the great Evangelical pastor Francis Schaeffer?
If so, there’s been a serious leak in the gene pool.
Am I the only who detected a lie in the first three words?
Yes. Father and son. Something has gone very, very bad for him. There is writing out there about his former friends who have been very much hurt by the new and bitter Franky.
He’s spewing Michael Moore class venom.
Lord have mercy.
Apparently, if the Republican Congresswoman wins the White House, she “would produce a theocracy in the country where the Bible would be paramount and no longer the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.”
This guy is illiterate. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were based on Biblical law. What law is he living under, oh thats right socialists think that the state grants you your rights. Mine come from God and can not be taken away by Twits like you.
He’s an expert in the same way that Meghan McCain, Jeanine Garofolo and other woodenheads are experts.
wanna talk about an apple falling far far far from the tree.
Bill Maher, John Stewart, Seth McFarlane....all rich and famous atheists. There was a time when being an atheist would have cost them their careers. Now it enhances their careers. Why? Because they bash Christians.
Frank Schaeffer is the Ronnie-Ron Reagan of the evangelical world.
I hear that talent normally skips a generation.
Was Francis Schaeffer his father? That explains it. Just a rebelling youth who never grew out of it.
A while back, I purchased for a nominal price, a small plastic container used for the purpose of Holy Water, obtained at a beautiful Catholic church and parochial school favored by those on pilgrimage.
The thought crossed my mind that so many on the left, and those involved with bizarre cultural cesspools like the adoration of vampirism and morbidity, are so fixated on their hatred and fear of religion, that they might eventually become, at least psychologically, like their demonic fetishes.
That is, so terrified of religious symbols and pious motives that even in the presence of a Bible, or a cross, or Holy Water, that they might react with fear and trepidation, in their minds questioning whether they might really dissolve or something.
To test this premise on the gullible, I even produced this small container of Holy Water in front of a group of black clad youths, and while they expressed disinterest for the most part, I noticed a couple of them discreetly moving to the back of the group, less in range. And they kept this relative position as I moved around the group.
This makes me wonder that if someday, when some bitterly anti-religious atheist is on a real tear, if someone was to splash him with Holy Water, that he might run around in an abject panic, while thinking, and screaming, that he is melting.
Hopefully on national TV.
They don’t have anything to worry about Perry.
He panders to Christians AND Muslims. But mostly Muslims.
After all, He has not signed and “agreement” with Christians, nor has he sent a dedicated brick to help them build a church, nor has he used state funds to fly into meetings with major Christians....Nope, All that he has reserved for MUSLIMS.
Describing the importance of the agreement, Governor Perry explained that traditional Western education speaks little of the influence of Muslim scientists, scholars, throughout history, and for that matter the cultural treasures that stand today in testament to their wisdom.
Now that's something to pray for.
What cultural treasures, Rick?
Is it the practice of beheading? or “honor’ killings? Or treating women like chattel?
If Christians practiced these barbaric acts, would Perry laud praise on them?
And yet it was Franky Schaeffer’s book (that’s how he called himself then), I think “A time for anger, The Myth of Neutrality” that swayed my position to the Pro-life camp forever in the mid-80s. I read a few of his books back then so I’m not sure exactly which it was.
I have seem this line in many westerns (paraphrased)
I’ve seen good men do bad things, and bad men do good things....
Don't know the full story. There has been speculation online that he got ticked off that Dad never paid enough attention to him.
Apparently it's been going on quite some time. Too bad he didn't learn to FReep when he was younger.
Oh well, maybe Ann Coulter will start dating him. She apparently loves romantic attachments to libs.
You just caused me to violate the 10th Commandment -- I am bitterly jealous I didn't think of that first.
Is this “Franky” Schaeffer, the son of Francis Schaeffer, the fonder of the L’Abri Fellowship in Switzerland?!? I think he was the director of the excellent video series “How Then Shall We Live” that Francis Schaeffer wrote and lectured in. If so, my how far this guy has fallen away from the sound teaching of his father.
Very sad. His dad was great.
Folks like this dude go way overboard in their condemnations. How can you take them seriously?
She found that libs are easier to get in bed than conservatives.
“But, I came to understand that these people actually hate the United States as it is.”
I think he is right. Compared to America from 50 years ago there is little to love today. In fact there is much to hate about current culture and attitudes.
Are you kidding? She *does* speak of being a Christian, and yet has dated libs. I hope she retained her virtue.