Skip to comments.Homeowner who shot burglar gets 5 years in prison
Posted on 07/06/2011 8:25:21 PM PDT by Nachum
CHEHALIS, Wash. - An Onalaska man who shot and killed a man who he thought was going to rob him will spend more than five years in prison. Lewis County Judge Nelson Hunt sentenced Ronald Brady to the maximum possible sentence, 63 months. A jury found Brady guilty of manslaughter last month. "I think the jury missed this one," said Jack Tipping, a friend of Brady. "This is a great victory for burglars."
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How about we get the Casey Anthony Juror Bashers over here.
Maybe...just maybe...the Prosecutor is to blame?
It’s sick out there and getting sicker — Bob Grant
The guy is going to prison for being stupid.
You can not shoot people for walking up your driveway. Period.
You can’t shoot people because you think they are going to steal from you.
You can’t even shoot people that you know for a fact are going to steal from you and in most states, TX excepted, you can’t even shoot people that you catch in the act of stealing from you.
It is that simple.
Brady is stupid and stupid has consquences.
gotta know your regulations before you pull the trigger. he should have been more patient and let them enter the home and then killed them both.
>”There’s no eternal life in heaven. For you, only hell,” said Brady’s sister, Colleen Walczak.<
She said this “judge’ Hunt. Don’t worry, Colleen. What goes around comes around.
As a gun owner and full supporter of home defense with said gun I think this guy probably pulled the trigger too soon. Wait until they lift something at least. You can’t shoot people in your driveway.
In the state of Washington, you can use deadly force to conduct a citizen's arrest during the commission of a felony.
The appeal on this could be very interesting. He should have not talked to the police and then asserted he was attempting to arrest a person in the commission of a felony and they started charging him.
This is just one reason to never talk to the cops.
He should have gotten a bounty. Reduce the number of criminals, reduce the number of crimes.
We're tired of putting up with these thugs brandishing any weapon, be it knife, screw driver, crow bar, or firearm... We intend to stop them. And since the police are just minutes away... Well...
Texas excepted.... Especially after dark.
Further irony when considering that after spending so much time in prison when he gets out after 5 years - he will probably loose the house he was sent to jail for defending.
Especially the ones who are killed!
Pretty much the only way to stop these kinds of crimes is to make the criminals FEAR going on to private property.
If I were on the jury, I would have simply held out for a not-guilty (regardless of what the judge or anyone else says). The only winners when good-guys go to jail are the criminals.
Correct. Rule one on any shooting, shut up and ask for some air. Rule two, get air and ask for an attorney.
The deceased was there in fact to rob the shooter. The shooter shot the robber’s car first, the robbers did not flee, and they shined a light into the shooter’s face. I think it’s reasonable at that point for the shooter to assume his life was in danger. Peaceful robbers would have pissed their pants and fled.
“what sort of guy takes his wife with him to to commit a burglary?”
I caught 2 kids robbing my business and their mother drove them there and they used the top of her suv to go over the fence and carry the ladder they used to go down the inside and she was waiting for them to return.
Maybe he needed a driver!
The soviet socialist tyrannical state of Washington.
This should be appealed all the way to the top. The right to self defense needs to be better upheld.
Not in reference to this specific case, but I believe you are wrong. Colorado has a “Make My Day” law that provides for homeowners to protect their property, up to, and including, deadly force. According to wikipedia, 31 states have similar laws.
If someone is entering my home, and I “believe” that they are there to do me harm or steal from me, I have the right to defend myself and my property.
Remorse & regret should never play into the equation of guilty/not guilty. Had a fellow juror pull that stunt once. In that case, remorse by the defendant would have been admission of guilt.
If someone breaks in your house in TX and is a threat, you can kill them and no court will convict you. There are lots of guns in TX, so criminals are taking their life in their hands if they break in someones house. There are lots of people with concealed weapons licenses in that State. A lot of people hunt too.
I employ the “breaking glass” rule.
After hearing breaking glass, you can shoot any damn person you find in your house.
If you didn’t hear breaking glass, you’re probably best not to shoot.
A 3AM, wrong address, a$$h++e, loud mouth, drunk, late luggage delivery guy is fortunate I applied this rule when he drove his Pinto up our winding driveway to our rural home, and approached a ground level bedroom far from any entrance.
“If someone breaks in your house in TX and is a threat, you can kill them and no court will convict you. There are lots of guns in TX, so criminals are taking their life in their hands if they break in someones house. There are lots of people with concealed weapons licenses in that State. A lot of people hunt too.”
That’s for sure. And that is why, with the very rare exceptions of home invasions, almost all break-ins are during the day here in Texas. At night, criminals know that they’re target practice. That’s not necessary the case in big cities, and is TOTALLY OPPOSITE of Europe (i.e., Great Britain), where criminals know they are a protected class and can get a lot more loot if they’re able to ask the homeowner where to look.
I'm astounded by this verdict is this part of the country. People have been shot in those parts for looking at others wrong.
Your driveway is not your home.
The castle law would only apply in your driveway if the BG was obviously and in immediate danger of doing serious bodily harm that might lead to death.
That is the no requirement to retreat part of the law.
Shooting a person for walking in your direction in your driveway is not protected under the castle doctrine.
They were in the driveway, not in the process of breaking into the house.
According to the account posted, they had no weapons.
I think stupid met stupid.
I think you'd tend to agree with me that I'd rather be TRIED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6.
you may remember when Whitman was shooting from the Tower in Austin back August 1, 66 that scores of guys pulled rifles out of their cars or pick ups or went home to get them and came back. Thousands of rounds were fired by these guys back at Whitman. I was two blocks away on a construction site and heard and saw every one of them. The entire affair went on about an hour and one half and within less than 30 minutes the “good ole boys” were returning fire.
Officer Martinez finally shot and killed Whitman and was even backed up by a civilian they loaned a gun to in the final assault on Whitman up on the Tower.
Basically a burglar is committing suicide in Texas.........it is as simple as that.
You said it perfectly.
Hey, I own guns to protect me and mine, but you can’t just start shooting people walking up your driveway.
He’s lucky all he was convicted of was manslaughter.
>> Brady is stupid and stupid has consquences.
The word is ‘ignorant’.
Once somebody enters your house, even if he is naked, you can assume he poses a deadly threat and you are cleared red and free.
That’s the way Washington state wants and DESERVES it.
It was not clear to me that this couple was even out to steal from Brady. I don’t think the shooting was justified.
Because ignorance can be remedied with education and instruction.
Stupid is irreversible.
Most ignorant people have common sense which they apply, in most cases more effectively than highly educated idiots.
>> Stupid is irreversible.
Hence the phrase, “Stuck on stupid.”
Hell, it says that he ambushed people walking up his drive way and they were unarmed. Damn what a fool, lucky it is only five years.
I gather he can comfort himself with the expression, “better to be in court than in the morgue” or “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”.
This is funny. You made me laugh. Thank you.
Most of the time, no grand jury will even indict you. It never gets to court.
Use of deadly force can sometimes be justified to prevent theft of property whose loss can make a radical difference in livelihood of its owners.
And which state are you referring to (other than Washington)?
The robbers had broke into his house earlier, and piled up a bunch of loot in the garage to come back and take later.
Brady came to the house, called the cops, who came and told him that the robbers would likely come back later that night to pick up what they had piled up. And then the cops told him that he was on his own, and left.
The robbers had prior histories a mile long. That fact was kept from the jury.
The sheriff who investigated assured Brady that he wouldn’t be prosecuted. As a result, Brady did not retain a lawyer for months. Those facts were also kept from the jury.
This verdict is an absolute travesty of justice.
Or, “Stupid never takes a holiday”.
When I was a kid my Grandfather made it clear to me and my siblings that if we were to trespass on a neighbor’s property we could be shot. Needless to say we never did and had respect for those boundaries. I remember an old house that was rather decrepit and deteriorating on the corner. It was completely fenced with a locked gate with NO TRESPASSING posted all around. Yeah... we were intrigued and always wondered about the inhabitant of that house. It was a little old lady, but I am sure to this day that she was packing and ready to shoot. My Dad said most people where he grew up had shotguns with ... I think he said rock salt???? No matter scared all of us enough we kept to ourselves and off the property of others.
This sounds like present day England. The devil might be in the details, but if the homeowner had been a cop it’s pretty sure he would escape censure, let alone punishment, for the very same thing “I thought I saw a gun so that’s why I shot him.”
It’s kind of hard to appeal upon the basis of ineffective counsel if the homeowner waited for months to get counsel. But what a dirty trick. He might have fared better in a bench trial, which is where you are usually better off to go if you’re innocent under the law. I hope the governor commutes or better, pardons.
Why, if he shot at the car as reported, would the occupants begin to walk up the driveway “unarmed”? I put that in quotes since the ones who escaped could easily have jettisoned any weapons the group had had.