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Russians should have the right to bear arms parliament speaker
rt.com ^ | 5 July, 2011 | NA

Posted on 07/07/2011 6:20:26 AM PDT by marktwain

Russians should be given the right to bear arms, albeit with strict regulations, believes acting upper house speaker, Aleksandr Torshin.

I believe that law-abiding citizens should be returned the lost right to bear small arms,” he told journalists, as cited by RIA Novosti.

According to the senator, carrying a gun is “a huge responsibility”, but “citizens should have an opportunity to defend themselves, their families' lives and their property”. Torshin believes that if people were allowed to carry weapons, they would have a fair fight with the “lamebrains and villains” in the event of an attack.

If journalist Oleg Kashin had had a gun, his nighttime encounter [with his assailants] could have had a completely different outcome,” Torshin noted.

In November 2010, the Kommersant reporter was severely beaten not far from his home in Moscow by two unknown men. For several days, he teetered between life and death at an intensive care unit as he was forced to undergo several surgeries.

The Federation Council speaker stressed that the sale and use of weapons can only be carried out under the strictest of controls. Only mentally healthy people, with clear criminal records who have no dependency problems with drugs or alcohol addiction would be allowed to possess and carryguns. In addition, everyone who decided to obtain a firearm would be obliged to pass a training course on how to use it.

At the same time, the legislator approved the idea of equating non-lethal guns to their lethal counterparts and acted introduce tougher punishments for the illegal trafficking of so-called pain inducing (or non-lethal) weapons. According to Torshin, Russians currently have over 3.5 million non-lethal firearms.

“What had been created as a means of self-defense has turned into a big problem,” he observed. Within the last five years, about 70 people were shot dead and 600 wounded with non-lethal guns. According to the senator, owners of non-lethal weapons do not seriously consider the consequences of their use while the owners of lethal weapons would be a lot more responsible.

On December 28, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a law that prohibits the carrying and use of items such as pneumatic pistols, as well as the sale of cartridges for non-lethal weapons without special permission.

These steps followed a sharp rise in crimes with the use of non-lethal shotguns, including an attack on RT's editor Natalia Arkhiptseva who was wounded in a downtown Moscow café in October of last year. After she reprimanded a drunken man who had insulted her, he drew a pistol and fired a bullet into her foot. In March of this year, 35-year-old Sergey Virolainen was sentenced to a year in a prison camp and ordered to pay 300,000 rubles in compensation for shooting Arkhiptseva.

In August 2008, Roman Romanchuk, a well-known Russian boxer, killed a resident of Russia’s Far East region, Oleg Meshkov with an Osa (Russian for “wasp”) non-lethal pistol. During a conflict between the two men, Meshkov fired his non-lethal gun at the boxer. Romanchuk wrestled the gun from the 22-year-old and shot him in the head. The silver medalist of the World Boxing Championship was sentenced to 1,5 years behind bars.

Torshin's initiative to legalize firearms possession has both its supporters and detractors.

Many fear that allowing people to have guns will result in a higher crime rate as conflicts between citizens end in bloodshed.

Others refer to some Western countries' – such as Switzerland and Finland – with high gun ownership rates and very low crime rates.

The US leads the world in gun ownership, with about 90 guns per 100 people. However, the country is also no stranger to mass shootings.In January, a gunman killed six people and injured others, including a US congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona. Over 30,000 Americas die annually due to gun violence and an estimated 200,000 more are injured. Gun policy is one of the most hotly debated political issues in the country.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: arms; banglist; defense; russia
Nice to see some clear thinking in Russia. They certainly need it.
1 posted on 07/07/2011 6:20:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wouldn’t that impugn that whole communism thingy?


2 posted on 07/07/2011 6:22:02 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

“no dependency problems with drugs or alcohol addiction”

That rules out about 90% of Russians.


3 posted on 07/07/2011 6:23:42 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Puppage
Wouldn’t that impugn that whole communism thingy?

No, because only the elite, loyal communists will pass the "tests" while everone else will be denied for some vague reasons.

This is just a means of protecting the ruling class from their subjects.

4 posted on 07/07/2011 6:26:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Yeah, that though crossed my mind as well.


5 posted on 07/07/2011 6:30:44 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain
And in the White House a tear runs down Obama's cheek.
6 posted on 07/07/2011 6:32:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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To: marktwain

7 posted on 07/07/2011 6:33:41 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: demshateGod

You beat me to it by a minute. Also, the numbers mentioned at the end about the victims of gun violence in the USA seem to be pulled out of thin air, and of course no mention that the criminals will use guns no matter what the laws are.


8 posted on 07/07/2011 6:33:52 AM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: marktwain
Russians should be given the right to bear arms, albeit with strict regulations, believes acting upper house speaker, Aleksandr Torshin.

While this is undoubtedly a move in the right direction, the phrasing here makes me think that perhaps our former Soviet "comrades" still don't get it.

The right to protect one's self and one's family using the best means available isn't "given"... it's inherent. The fact that this right isn't currently recognized by the Russian government is an abuse against the people, not a norm.

But at least they're moving in the right direction. I wish I could say the same about the Obama-bamboozled masses right here in the good ol' U. S. of A.

9 posted on 07/07/2011 6:59:00 AM PDT by MWS (De duobus malis, minus est semper eligendum. - Thomas a Kempis)
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To: Erik Latranyi
No, because only the elite, loyal communists will pass the "tests" while everone else will be denied for some vague reasons.

Russia: Not quite so communist, any more.

10 posted on 07/07/2011 7:01:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Until Obama, has there ever been, in history, a Traitorous Ruler?)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks
Just a quick drive-by comment - if anyone with half a brain and a bit of honesty would read that last paragraph - 90 guns per 100 people and ONLY 30,000 violent deaths (read: probably MOSTLY from gangbangers/thugs) per year OUT OF 300 MILLION people!!

Yet they try to slant it with stupid hyperbole about ONE whacko gunman with Giffords, etc.
11 posted on 07/07/2011 7:09:11 AM PDT by time4good
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To: time4good

Plus - they site Switzerland and Finland, yet fail to show the comparison in the U.S. of crime statistics by State where the gun control laws are pro-individual vs. anti-2nd Ammendment.


12 posted on 07/07/2011 7:11:31 AM PDT by time4good
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To: demshateGod

You beat me to it.


13 posted on 07/07/2011 7:27:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

It’s a sad reality. Maybe not 90%, that was a joke, but the hopelessness over there is a testament to decades (and probably centuries) without Christ.


14 posted on 07/07/2011 7:55:03 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain
Russians should be given the right to bear arms.

Russians HAVE the right to bear arms; it comes from their Creator, just like our right to bear arms doe.

The fact that they are DENIED this right is another matter, but no one GIVES them, or me, the right to keep and bear arms.

A critical distinction.

15 posted on 07/07/2011 9:18:15 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

doe = does.


16 posted on 07/07/2011 9:19:11 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

Yep.


17 posted on 07/07/2011 9:27:23 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With God Obama can't hurt us. Without God, George Washington couldn't save us.)
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To: marktwain
I believe that law-abiding citizens should be returned the lost right to bear small arms arm small bears,” he told journalists, as cited by RIA Novosti.
18 posted on 07/07/2011 9:29:50 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: marktwain

In fact Russians de-facto has right to own arms right now.
They can legally bear a variety of arms prohibited in US as ‘assault weapons’.
Their lawmakers aren’t busy to outlaw pistol grips, detachable mags, folding stocks, muzzle breaks etc.
Any rifle or shotgun is legal as soon as it is longer than some 30 inches, 50 or less cal (larger ones are considered artillery for military purpose)and unable to fire full auto.

Short guns like revolvers and pistols are tricky to own but there are still some ways to own it legally of you want it badly.


19 posted on 07/07/2011 9:33:19 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: marktwain

20 posted on 07/08/2011 2:18:20 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you dropped your bow?")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I love that guy. He gets to have all the fun.


21 posted on 07/08/2011 2:20:18 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: RandallFlagg

He has the best YouTube channel in Russia...

http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia


22 posted on 07/08/2011 2:35:54 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you dropped your bow?")
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To: Puppage

>> Wouldn’t that impugn that whole communism thingy?

Russia is no longer officially communist. They are a “crony capitalist” oligarchy, ruled by ex-KGB elites. They are not democratic in the American sense, but they do not force marxist ideology on their populations like they did in the USSR.


23 posted on 07/08/2011 5:08:44 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: demshateGod

>> but the hopelessness over there is a testament to decades
>>(and probably centuries) without Christ.

Centuries? Prior to the 1917 revolution Orthodox Christianity was a powerful cultural force in Russia. Or that doesn’t count?


24 posted on 07/08/2011 5:20:08 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: JadeEmperor

What I have said, I have said.


25 posted on 07/08/2011 5:23:53 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
"What I have said, I have said."
Ok. But your assertions have little to do with reality.
26 posted on 07/08/2011 3:25:36 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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