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43 Weapons in Phoenix Traffic Stop Linked to ATF's 'Fast and Furious' (video)
ABC15/SWA (YouTube) ^ | 07-07-2011 | Stand With Arizona

Posted on 07/07/2011 8:57:39 AM PDT by montag813

The scope of Eric Holder's disastrous 'Fast and Furious" ATF operation just keeps expanding. Now a single traffic stop in Phoenix has revealed 43 weapons with serial numbers traceable to the the ATF scandal - taken from 4 illegal aliens arrested in the stop. How many guns has this Administration put in the hands of gangs throughout the U.S. How many children will die in drive-bys using weapons Holder GAVE to criminals? And with the ATF Director now saying the DoJ obstructing the investigation, the House GOP must not stop until all responsible are rotting in jail. And what did Obama know and when did he know it?

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To: eyeamok

They do? Where are you finding that power in writing?


51 posted on 07/07/2011 10:34:24 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: montag813

The BATFE is a crime organization. It needs to be abolished.


52 posted on 07/07/2011 10:35:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: montag813

Every Republican with access to Facebook, Twitter, a microphone, or a reporter, needs to be pouncing on this with a vengeance.

The soft underbelly of the beast is exposed. Now’s the time to strike.


53 posted on 07/07/2011 10:39:06 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Truth29
the ball is clearly in CONGRESS’S Hands,

As with everything from this lame congress, nothing will happen without Obama's sanction.

54 posted on 07/07/2011 10:44:51 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (No one is more against progress than a progressive.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


55 posted on 07/07/2011 10:52:56 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: MHGinTN

So that we don’t get caught up in a CF over terminology as happened during the “Whitewater” hearings, I’d like to get something straight. It is my understanding that;

1) Project Gunrunner was the Bush era operation which was designed to catch straw purchasers in the US and resulted in about 1200 arrests.
2) Operation Fast and Furious was the Obama era plan to allow straw purchasers to transport weapons across the border into Mexico to see where they ended up. (supposedly)
3) Operation Castaway was the same as F&F only Honduras was the (first) destination of the weapons
4) Gunwalker was a term coined by some media hack and has no true basis as the name of a gov’t. operation.

Ya can’t know the players if ya don’t have a scorecard.

Please correct me if I’m wrong on any of this.


56 posted on 07/07/2011 10:55:06 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Drill Thrawl; Domandred
Operation Gunrunner was funded by the 2009 Stimulus Package

From related thread

....competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses’ for the ATF Project Gunrunner.

_Thanks Domandred
57 posted on 07/07/2011 10:58:07 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: montag813

Bookmark


58 posted on 07/07/2011 11:08:53 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Roccus

IIRC, you’ve got it right. The Holder/Obama thugs took the Gunrunner program and refunded it, to make it feed guns through often illicit buyers that were allowed to be taken into Mexico via the illicit buyers, thus tacitly seeking deaths via these weapons. One can only guess why democrats would seek the deaths of people, because of weapons purchased by known criminals to the ATF. Perhaps Melson will open that can of democrat slaughterhouse worms.


59 posted on 07/07/2011 11:37:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: montag813

Meanwhile, holder has ordered the investigation of the CIA in reference to the incustody deaths of two terrorists.


60 posted on 07/07/2011 11:37:43 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Roccus

IIRC, you’ve got it right. The Holder/Obama thugs took the Gunrunner program and refunded it, to make it feed guns through often illicit buyers that were allowed to be taken into Mexico via the illicit buyers, thus tacitly seeking deaths via these weapons. One can only guess why democrats would seek the deaths of people, because of weapons purchased by known criminals to the ATF. Perhaps Melson will open that can of democrat slaughterhouse worms.


61 posted on 07/07/2011 11:48:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: HiJinx

ping


62 posted on 07/07/2011 11:48:57 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Google seems to be manipulating the search on this. Definitely some censorship. Maybe Drudge is on vacation, if not he is out of touch on this. As Biden would say this is a big ****’n deal.


63 posted on 07/07/2011 12:35:43 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I agree and it’s not just this story. I’ve seen a few things on Drudge the past month or so that make me go “huh?”.


64 posted on 07/07/2011 12:36:59 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: mojitojoe
Is it possible Drudge wants gun control in US, cant think of another reason he is ignoring this. Helps emphasize that (we) the on-line community conservatives really are the new media.
65 posted on 07/07/2011 1:14:53 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Josephat

Pray if you have time but be sharpening your pitchfork——we may have to clean house with tools-——


66 posted on 07/07/2011 1:25:03 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Scythian

Absolutely correct except that this time the opposition has 300 million firearms with which to cut thru the bullsh$$. There has never been a population so well equipped to forcefully resist Obamuzzie and his marxists. The math is simple: The US civil population has more personal firepower than exists in the rest of the world and our leadership needs to remain somewhat humble when pondering that.


67 posted on 07/07/2011 1:39:32 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: drpix

“I can see it now. All cable networks showing a live slow motion white Bronco ride with Holder being driven by a New Black Panther Party comrade.”

ROTFLOL....you owe me a new keyboard...my crystal light lemonade is now all over it....LOL!!


68 posted on 07/07/2011 1:43:39 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: cherokee1

Everybody has time to pray. You can pray while you are sharpening your pitchfork. Prayer is, perhaps, the most important tool to take into battle.


69 posted on 07/07/2011 2:37:03 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Bang List meets Border List Ping!


70 posted on 07/07/2011 3:13:23 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

>Didn’t Obama say to his left base to appeal desperately for votes that he was working on gun control under the radar?<

yes he did ... guess it is on the radar now


71 posted on 07/07/2011 4:07:51 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I think that he is screwed. This goes to his door and out the back to Obama’s door. Holder is going to be screwed and probably inadvertently implicate Napolitano and Obama as well.


72 posted on 07/07/2011 4:41:22 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: eyeamok

>Currently there is more than enough evidence to jail every person involved , including Eric Holder, for the rest of their lives, <

Not even close yet. Give it time. It is just getting started.

You have enough evidence to jail a SAC and that is it.
You don’t even have the bottom rung of Justice yet close enough to put them in jail.


73 posted on 07/07/2011 4:44:22 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: opentalk

>Many people died because of the scheme, included a US border patrolman. Wonder how many innocent Mexican families were impacted by this. The callousness of this administration is chilling.<

So far at least 700 of these weapons were recovered at “crime scenes” that says a lot of bodies. Including two high ranking officials of the mexican government.


74 posted on 07/07/2011 4:45:57 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

maybe neither. the guns may well have stayed her and never seen mexico or been intended to go there.
There is a large contingency of mexican gangs wright here in the US that want guns as well.


75 posted on 07/07/2011 4:49:26 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: CodeToad

Then we can have the FBI investigating the criminal codes for gun enforcement .. you know the ones who used BATF to sell the guns to their informant.

brilliant .. yeah, we are gonna have lots of whistle blowers from them!


76 posted on 07/07/2011 4:52:42 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: montag813

The difference between the Fast & Furious Scandal and Watergate? No one died because of Watergate.


77 posted on 07/07/2011 5:11:40 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: jpsb
The federal government is suppling weapons to the enemies of both Mexican and US citizens? Wow, this is about as bad as it gets. (Emp mine) And there is the Impeachable offense. Richard Nixon didn't know about the WG breakin, but he still was subject to Impeachment. Zero can't hide behind the I didn't know excuse. Since the story went public the COVERUP commenced. Zero has done NOTHING to the DOJ people involved. Impeachment is in order.
78 posted on 07/07/2011 5:18:14 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
79 posted on 07/07/2011 6:23:30 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Truth29

Congress can have the Capitol Police Arrest every one of them and Congress Can Hold their trial for TREASON. Has anyone ever heard of the “War on Drugs” which Congress Officially Declared?? Every Person involved willfully and knowingly gave material support to the Enemy in the War on Drugs which was Declared by Congress 30 something years ago. Hang the Entire Bunch on the Capitol Steps.


80 posted on 07/07/2011 8:22:16 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I don’t believe we have the time to wait, The end is approaching fast, unless some real adults start taking charge real soon, we are doomed. if it is not too late already.


81 posted on 07/07/2011 8:24:43 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Roscoe Karns

ping to a triptych


82 posted on 07/07/2011 9:08:17 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: opentalk
Operation gunrunner looks OK to me. What manipulation are you seeing?
83 posted on 07/07/2011 9:15:51 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: eyeamok

Your logic matches mine. It is well known amongst the congressional investigators who should be charged, who should be reprimanded and who should be fired. So far all we see is transfers. As you said, a DOG AND PONY SHOW.


84 posted on 07/07/2011 9:24:22 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: b4its2late
Scary stuff that is being ignored by the media. Imagine if this were done by a republican? Nobody died in Watergate break-in, and look how that fiasco went.

Had it been a Republican, Rahm (You never want a serious crisis to go to waste) Emanuel, would have all the democrats screaming, "Republicans hate Hispanics!", "Republicans want to kill Mexicans!".

85 posted on 07/07/2011 9:44:57 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Nachum

I sent this to Issa and grassley


86 posted on 07/07/2011 9:49:34 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Tainan
What stuck out were the dates on the articles which come up first on Google search. Just in the last few days there are many more articles since the July 4th testimony.

The current information is very negative toward this administration and a potential cover-up.

87 posted on 07/07/2011 10:08:32 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Just to be fair, is it very likely that any of the Mexican gangsters who used these walked guns would have had to do without a gun if there had not been any of this gun walking?

This has been part of my question of the entire trans-border-gun-show meme from the start, mine mainly on the basis of why buy semi-autos when full auto is available on the world's markets for less?

However when confronted with two points, I relent: First, that the purchases were for quantities of identical arms, not just a hodgepoge of single weapons. Second, that stimulus money may have underwritten some of the purchases!.

With that in mind, the advantages of outfitting personnel with identical arms with interchangeable parts is evident, and if fiscal support was forthcoming, a no-brainer.

So, yes, they could have obtained arms through other sources, but why?

Prior to looking at that, I couldn't see the need or even desireability of obtaining semi-automatic arms from the US and risking them being interdicted. But with the 'fix' in on the purchase and movement, the deal becomes more attractive and far less risky for the narcotraficantes.

88 posted on 07/07/2011 10:47:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Oceander
Unfortunately, the missing ingredient this time around is the constant, insistent investigation and reporting by the mass media

Yep. We got three TV channels in those days, and programming was saturated with Watergate. Almost like Caylee Anthony now....(Which is tragic, but which the media seem to be using as a smokescreen to fill airtime which could be better used.)

Look for the next show trial to absorb the minds of viewers and continue the cloud while this is investigated.

89 posted on 07/07/2011 10:50:36 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I don’t believe all the walked guns have been re-found, right?

If one turns up in a Loughner-like killing, it will get lots and lots of eyeballs and Caylee will be forgotten.


90 posted on 07/07/2011 11:44:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If one turns up in a Loughner-like killing, it will get lots and lots of eyeballs and Caylee will be forgotten.

Only if the CYA folks mess up and let the info leak. I figure the mediots will ride the Anthony trial until the next soap opera/show trial gets going. and continue the smokescreen.

91 posted on 07/07/2011 11:57:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: heiss

> In anycase, international arrest warrant is deserved so
> he can never leave the country.

I don’t want that treacherous lout in my country.


92 posted on 07/08/2011 4:30:55 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Truth29
How does Congress have the power to imprison in this case? If the DOJ is corrupt and US attorneys won't prosecute, what does the House do? They can issue reports, harshly criticize, but when the Executive Branch is corrupt and in the hands of an enemy of the US, what next?

All they need is 1 courageous US Attorney to step up and file charges. Once that's done, either the guilty go under the bus, or the entire administration goes down.

93 posted on 07/08/2011 9:10:27 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: montag813
I notice that there were several Hollywood films of varying vintage with the title, "The Fast and Furious". Have any Freepers seen any of these films and, if so, have you come to any conclusions regarding an (obvious?) connection to the nickname of the illegal operation that the BATF finally chose?

Quite possibly there are some psychological answers waiting there, regarding how they imagined themselves, the operation, and its outcome, I would think. But, you know, as one who hates Hollywood and doesn't watch its movies, I may be wrong.

94 posted on 07/08/2011 12:33:48 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We gave you a majority, now get busy!)
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To: Oceander
Unfortunately, the missing ingredient this time around is the constant, insistent investigation and reporting by the mass media

You don't need the media, if someone steps forward and provides pertinent damaging evidence. The media will be forced to fall in line.

Jim Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

http://patriotupdate.com/7248/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar

95 posted on 07/08/2011 1:33:04 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: montag813

Get that Gunrunner list out. The Gulf cartel’s arsenal in Zacateca was busted the other day. Pictures here...

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/


96 posted on 07/08/2011 2:34:01 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: dragnet2

The media won’t be “forced into line” just because someone comes forward with pertinent damaging information - that information has come forward, and the media have been doing their level best to keep it under wraps and so far they’ve been succeeding - heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone at NYT or WaPo didn’t pay off the jurors in the Casey case just so that they’d have a scandal that would keep anything of substance - like Fast & Furious - off the front pages and off peoples’ minds.


97 posted on 07/08/2011 2:59:03 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Oceander
The media won’t be “forced into line” just because someone comes forward with pertinent damaging information - that information has come forward, and the media have been doing their level best to keep it under wraps and so far they’ve been succeeding

The media? Like Rush Limbaugh, who only yesterday discussed this issue publicly on his show?

Lemme tell ya, if *evidence* is revealed connecting the AG, or President regarding illegalities in this matter, with their knowledge, the news media, reluctantly or not will get on board.

the media have been doing their level best to keep it under wraps and so far they’ve been succeeding

No, you're here talking about it so is is being disseminated by sources. BTW, if you have proof, the AG or POTUS broke laws here and or had knowledge, I'd like to hear it. Otherwise your going to have to wait until evidence is revealed/brought forward connecting those at the top of wrong doing.

In addition, at this point, you nor I know if this is being investigated by independent news sources or reporters.

I would guess at this point it is, by multiple sources outside government.

98 posted on 07/08/2011 4:22:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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In addition, at this point, you nor I *don’t* know if this is being investigated by independent news sources/reporters.


99 posted on 07/08/2011 4:24:04 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

This is a massive scandal and yet the few MSM groups (not conservative ones) that have reported call it a ‘controversy’. Politico is very careful to focus the ‘controversy’ on Melson and not Holder or Obama.

Fortunately, so many of the comments from their readers clearly state that they see through Politico’s attempt to keep the blame at the ATF level. With the unbelievable obstruction by Holder and company, a lot more should already be reported in the news.


100 posted on 07/08/2011 4:33:08 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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