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EPA finalizes stricter air pollution rules for Wisconsin, other states
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal ^ | 7/7/11 | Lee Bergquist and Thomas Content

Posted on 07/07/2011 6:36:17 PM PDT by Jean S

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Thursday finalized stronger regulations for Wisconsin and 26 other states aimed at curbing air pollution from long-distance sources.

The rules will help those states fight ozone and particle pollution caused by power plants in Illinois, Indiana and other states.

But Wisconsin utilities - whose pollution can contribute to air-quality problems elsewhere - will also need to find ways to reduce their own emissions.

The likely result: Higher electric bills in the coming years.

A group of power companies known as the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity called the action one of the most costly crackdowns on coal ever.

Nationwide, the EPA estimated utilities will spend $1.2 billion next year and $800 million in 2014 to comply with the rule.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Indiana; US: Michigan; US: Ohio; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: airpollution; cleanair; cleancoal; coal; economy; electric; energy; epa; high; ozone; prices
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The federal government continues to do everything it can to keep the economy in the tank.
1 posted on 07/07/2011 6:36:27 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

At the direction of the President I assume.


2 posted on 07/07/2011 6:38:22 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Jean S

What the hell are they going to plug all those electric cars into?


3 posted on 07/07/2011 6:38:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: Jean S

The marxist takeover is almost complete...but there will be a civil war prior to the announcement of the victor. It’ll be short, but I’m old anyway. Sad.


4 posted on 07/07/2011 6:40:19 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I know that Democrats in the Senate don’t care but what about the House? They need to defund the EPA. Either that or the American people need to stand tall and close down the EPA.


5 posted on 07/07/2011 6:41:28 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Jean S

Every EPA Nazi should be dragged out from behind the desk and into the street and hanged.

The EPA doesn’t mind killing our country, businesses and families. Time to return the favor.


6 posted on 07/07/2011 6:42:36 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Jean S

Under my plan, electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket.

Disband the EPA. Next adminstration..put Inhofe in charge


7 posted on 07/07/2011 6:43:39 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Jean S

I’m curious how many FReepers filed a formal comment against this rule during the comment period.


8 posted on 07/07/2011 6:43:39 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Jean S

All Bachmann would need to do is state that on her first day in office she would dismantle the EPA, and she would win by the biggest landslide in history.


9 posted on 07/07/2011 6:44:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Muslim Brotherhood (renames itself) the Liberty and Justice Party. NOT A JOKE.)
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To: Jean S

I have a suggestion for an agency they can reduce spending to $0.00.


10 posted on 07/07/2011 6:45:46 PM PDT by stevem
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To: RC2
At the direction of the President I assume.

I'm sure that information is prnted in the story. sic'

11 posted on 07/07/2011 6:45:54 PM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: Jean S

I was told by a family member that the EPA is already in coal fired plants issuing fines for anything and everything. Heard one plant got fined 250k for not having permits for work that was done to a boiler in the early 80’s.


12 posted on 07/07/2011 6:46:57 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: SueRae

Texas finds business-friendly way to cut emissions, EPA shuts program down

http://www.examiner.com/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m7d1-Texas-finds-businessfriendly-way-to-cut-emissions-EPA-shuts-program-down

EPA official says jobs don’t matter

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/epa-official-says-jobs-dont-matter/print/


13 posted on 07/07/2011 6:51:56 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Gondring
I’m curious how many FReepers filed a formal comment against this rule during the comment period.

Why? Does EPA head Lisa Jackson need more toilet paper...

14 posted on 07/07/2011 6:54:03 PM PDT by apillar
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To: gorush

And you, sir, will command. You will gather the 50 year olds, who will gather the 30 and 40 year olds who will form the companies of men to defend our Country.


15 posted on 07/07/2011 6:54:16 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: barmag25

“...Heard one plant got fined 250k for not having permits for work that was done to a boiler in the early 80’s...”
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Oh, the stories I could tell...
How about this one....
20 years ago you got approval from your state for a permit modification and then now, the federal EPA fines you millions of dollars because they say the state should not have given you that approval.

Happens all the time.


16 posted on 07/07/2011 6:55:33 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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To: SgtBob

I can only hope that my epitaph includes the words “blaze of glory”. :{)...except I’m serious.


17 posted on 07/07/2011 6:57:47 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SueRae; All
We need to get this message out.

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18 posted on 07/07/2011 6:59:05 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: RC2

Yes, just like his statements desiring “European” levels of gasoline pricing, Baraq is on record saying he’ll put coal companies out of business.

But the MSM was far more interested in the status of Joe the plumber Wurzelbacher’s trade license.


19 posted on 07/07/2011 6:59:05 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: apillar
Exactly. Why waste time writing a comment that will be ignored?

EPA and Enviro Groups decide what will be regulated, how it will be regulated, and at what level, long before the first Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. THEN, and only then, they put together bogus "science" and other data that says that we must regulate at the preordained level or we'll all get cancer in the next 3 years, and "guesstimate" the costs at 1/10 of what they'll actually be.

Hell, half the time these things are all set in stone before they've even gotten their back-pocket Leftist Congressthings to force through enabling legislation.

From the first demented idea to regulate in the diseased mind of an Enviro-Com until the final regulation is being enforced, NOTHING CHANGES ... not one iota -- no matter the truth, the facts, the reality, the true science, the economic impact, or anything else ANYBODY might say.

EPA is the vanguard of our new communist nation.

20 posted on 07/07/2011 7:10:45 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: FlingWingFlyer; All
"What the hell are they going to plug all those electric cars into?"


21 posted on 07/07/2011 7:12:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jean S

It will take decades — DECADES — to fix what this lame ass, idiot-ridden administration fraks up in 4 years.... =.=


22 posted on 07/07/2011 7:18:18 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Jean S

“Nationwide, the EPA estimated utilities will spend $1.2 billion next year and $800 million in 2014 to comply with the rule.”

Uhhh.....no, they won’t. Not one dime will “they” spend.

We will.


23 posted on 07/07/2011 7:19:19 PM PDT by henkster (Ethanol belongs in a beer can, not a gas tank.)
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To: Gondring

They really dont care what anyone has to say. All it would accomplish is get your name on a watch list as a possible threat. ........


24 posted on 07/07/2011 7:27:51 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: Jean S

I Read the comments at the link.
THOSE PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN ARE INSANE..........


25 posted on 07/07/2011 7:35:27 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: DoughtyOne

Any candidate that would abolish the EPA gets my vote. The EPA is out of control and needs to be stopped.

Q How much polluton has the Obananas, the Clintons and Gore produced in the past year. We need jobs, viable businesses and factories in America,
not onerous regulations by the power hungry EPA.


26 posted on 07/07/2011 7:36:39 PM PDT by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: Jean S

Great post & thread. Thanks to all.

DEFUND/(DISMANTLE/DESTROY when necessary), socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.


27 posted on 07/07/2011 7:39:25 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: RC2
The rule was advanced by President Barack Obama's administration to replace the regulations from President George W. Bush's administration that were rejected in the courts.
28 posted on 07/07/2011 7:39:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Gondring
I’m curious how many FReepers filed a formal comment against this rule during the comment period.

Bwahahahaha.... either you are frighteningly naive, or clueless. Do you honestly mean to suggest to us that the Marxists honestly care about what people say? You mean those who would object wouldn't be summarily dismissed, or executed, for being climate deniers? Pffft...

29 posted on 07/07/2011 7:45:06 PM PDT by Obadiah (If you don't believe you can win, there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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To: Obadiah

People keep saying there is going to be a civil war. With guns and everything.

But ma and I don’t believe it one bit. Not one bit.

Those lazy Americans - livin in their big fancy cities. Why they ain’t gonna get up off their lazy butts and fight no war.

Ain’t seen a single shot fired either - but keep hearin about that war - keep hearin about it

Been hearin about it few years

Yet not a single shot fired - nun that I no of

Me thinks the war was lost a long time ago

They just picken up the scrap now


30 posted on 07/07/2011 7:55:34 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Jean S
Nationwide, the EPA estimated utilities will spend $1.2 billion next year and $800 million in 2014 to comply with the rule.
But in a teleconference with reporters, EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson extolled the health benefits of cleaner air, including $120 billion to $280 billion in annual health and welfare benefits beginning in 2014.

Both figures are BS. Coal plant scrubbers can cost hundreds of millions each plant. With something like 900 affected plants across the east, no way I believe the price tag is only a couple billion.

As for the hundreds of billions in health benefits, well...this smells like the millions of jobs that have been "saved" under BO's reign of terror: pure fiction.

31 posted on 07/07/2011 8:00:11 PM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: Jean S

Wisconsin should ignore the EPA and warn any attempt at force closing their plants will be the end of the EPA in this State. Time to get angry and warn Washington they are done. Why the States continue to put up with this rotten communists Washington group is beyond me.


32 posted on 07/07/2011 8:01:42 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: silentknight
The tipping point was when the population became more urban than rural;urbanites seem to be socialists by inclination.

Rural people place a higher value on independence and hard work.

Look at the American versus French revolutions.Which one resulted in less bloodshed and more freedom?

33 posted on 07/07/2011 8:04:35 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Jean S

we’re going to vote this criminal out and trim the EPA and it’s ability to do this crap.....they are unelected and out of control.


34 posted on 07/07/2011 8:06:50 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: Jean S

maybe Madam President can lock the doors and send them home...


35 posted on 07/07/2011 8:08:24 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: Jean S

That’s not all. Some radical environmentalist states with very smoky, coal-fired plants in their major cities are immune to the consequences of their political efforts.

http://www.epa.gov/airtransport/statesmap.html


36 posted on 07/07/2011 8:37:38 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: Jean S

BTW, you’ll see in the map key, “States not covered by the Cross-State Air Pollution Rule.”


37 posted on 07/07/2011 8:39:24 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“All Bachmann would need to do is state that on her first day in office she would dismantle the EPA, and she would win by the biggest landslide in history.”

Add the NEA to that statement and I’d recommend she be made Queen of the United States.

EODGUY


38 posted on 07/07/2011 9:04:44 PM PDT by EODGUY (Hold on to your copies of the Consititution of the United States. It is going to be re-written.)
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To: Jean S

The EPA should be defunded, along with the Dept of Ed, Energy, and others. (preaching to the choir, I know)

I guess it’s too much to hope for that our next president will slash and burn these agencies that are strangling our nation.


39 posted on 07/07/2011 9:04:44 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (PALIN 45 The cure for "meet the new boss, same as the old boss.")
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To: sergeantdave

Every EPA Nazi should be dragged out from behind the desk and into the street and hanged.


I prefer lead poisoning with no hood.


40 posted on 07/07/2011 9:32:21 PM PDT by unkus
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To: sergeantdave

Before this is over, the evil bastards are going to be hunkered down in bunkers.


41 posted on 07/07/2011 9:36:24 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Jean S
Nationwide, the EPA estimated utilities will spend $1.2 billion next year and $800 million in 2014 to comply with the rule.

And nation wide, consumers can expect their electric bills to increase at least 1.2 billion next year and $800 million in 2014. Fixed it for them.

42 posted on 07/07/2011 9:58:52 PM PDT by matt04
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To: gorush

God is in control.

Note Apostle Paul’s words in Romans 13: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”


43 posted on 07/07/2011 10:25:58 PM PDT by saltus (God's Will be done)
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To: Gondring

“I’m curious how many FReepers filed a formal comment against this rule during the comment period.”

That always does a lot of good.


44 posted on 07/07/2011 10:28:32 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: DoughtyOne

No, not the biggest landslide...if she did that she’d lose Washington, Oregon, California and Hawaii 90-10.


45 posted on 07/07/2011 10:40:19 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Jean S

The Founders would be shocked at how much control the Feds have over everyone AND how much power Congress has lost to the Executive branch.


46 posted on 07/07/2011 11:58:28 PM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: saltus

Well, either God isn’t doing his job, or he is royally p*ssed at us. The fact that we had to choose between Obama and McCain tells me it’s the latter.


47 posted on 07/08/2011 12:25:07 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: hoosierham

It’s a chicken and the egg deal. Are socialists more likely to live in a city, or does living in a city make one more likely to be socialist? My guess is that it’s a combination of the two. It took Rudy’s almost fascist approach to turn NYC around.


48 posted on 07/08/2011 12:29:05 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: saltus

“We the People”

“We the Bureaucrats”?


49 posted on 07/08/2011 1:12:19 AM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: Jean S

America’s air quality is fantastic. Industry and automobiles pollute much less than before. Truck put up less particulate. Fire every single commie at EPA. Put them out on the street to look for real work. Bulldoze every last EPA building.

EPA is one of the most anti-American Federal agencies. These eco-saboteurs could care less how many American jobs they destroy and how much they push up electric bills. All they care about are their fat Federale paychecks


50 posted on 07/08/2011 2:18:02 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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