Skip to comments.Subpoena targets '1961 typewritten birth certificate'
Posted on 07/08/2011 3:00:59 AM PDT by RobinMasters
A subpoena has been served on officials in the Hawaii Department of Health and the state's attorney general demanding access to the original "1961 typewritten birth certificate #10641 for Barack Obama."
The attorney behind the case, Orly Taitz, told WND she is asking a court to compel compliance.
The California attorney contends the state's "privacy" regulations should be ignored, as Obama already has released what the White House purported to be a copy of the document to the public.
She has developed a case in Washington, D.C., seeking the original application for Obama's Social Security number, a document that could provide significant information about the president's early life that relates to his eligibility.
U.S. District Court Chief Judge Royce Lamberth recently rejected a defense concern over procedure in the dispute. Taitz said that moved the case into the discovery phase, in which she can issue subpoenas to those holding documentation she is seeking.
WND previously has reported on the issue that Obama holds a Connecticut-based Social Security number despite allegedly being born in Hawaii, starting his work career in the Aloha State, and never having lived in Connecticut.
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Who could have a problem with that?
this woman has worked consistently to open this wide open and obama has worked just as hard to keep it closed. obama has made a mockery out of this nation and its constitution.
But I thought this was all taken care of. Didn’t Obama finally release his Birth Certificate a couple of months ago?
(NOTE: Just playing the part of the clueless electorate here...which is exactly the mechanism Obama and his advisors wanted to utilize. Most of the television watching drones just blankly saw douche bags like Brian Williams say things like “Well, tonight President Obama has finally released his original birth certificate, which should put this controversy to bed...” and they thought “Well. It is about time. Oh, look! Something shiny over there!”)
Oh Royce was a pain in the neck for Clinton too
He should have got Dan Rather to do the birth cert. bit, oops guess he did. Dan’s so good at those things you know.
Was this subpoena issued by an Article III court or grand jury, or by a litigant?
The point that is this we Americans, at least the real patriotic ones that this, we are like a pit bull on this issue, we will not let go no matter how hard we are shaken.
We are doing this for our future generation. First off so history is correct and not a democratic edited version and secondly so it can be prevented from ever happening again.
The facts speak for themselves, Obama failed to qualify and though many allowed it to happen he technically was never eligible to be POTUS. Him being totally incompetent makes it even worse.
many books, movies and lectures will arise from this issue for many years.
The lies of his nomination will be more so exposed, it cannot be whitewashed forever.
Plenty of people can chew gum and walk at the same time. They can also process multiple news stories.
You - apparently - cannot. The rest of us do not suffer from that disability.
The Diversion Continues.
Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
Wasn’t the whole point of requiring public officials to disclose their tax and financial records allowing ‘we the people’ full disclosure of their private lives in order to avoid these kinds of fraud? John Kerry was just another case in point whom we almost ended up w/ as prez in 2004.
The mainstream press [fox included] thoroughly disgust me on these matters. They have more tools that ever at their disposal to leave no stone unturned in their investigations but when it comes to the government and ‘special interests’ they become completely myopic.
Yeah, if the “birth certificate” that was released is simply a scan of the typewritten copy,
there should be no hesitation whatsoever to release the typewritten copy for examination.
Except, of course, that they two will NOT match, and it will readily point out the fraud in the released version.
Subpoena targets '1961 typewritten birth certificate'
How many minutes before SP's show up to bash Orly?
Article, then # 6 , # 10.
[I'll be offline the remainder of the day.]
Where did Taitz get the idea the original is typewritten??? When Fukino looked at it, she said it was “half handwritten”. When Abercrombie looked at it, he said it was a “notation”; something “written down”. These are the only two eyewitnesses I know of; when did what they saw morph into a typed document?
Bump for later read.
While your post is precisely factual, one third of the federal oligarchy (the subPreme Roberts court) has made it their policy to not address the issue of the Constitutional eligibility issue. What we birthers are seeking is exposure of barry bassturd’s criminality. If enough comes into the open, even the Senate Democraps will not risk being dethroned over protecting a gross criminal, their organizaion being a criminal enterprise.
You betcha they’re composites. On this point the state of HI doesn’t even dispute you. As the ever-astute KB pointed out, HI called the released document an “abstract” one—and ONLY one—time, prior to religiously referring to it ever after as a BC. If I can say this w’out getting in trouble, only a person with a bias toward Obama can fail to see we’ve been had. A composite/abstract of ***what***, exactly??? The post-it note Abercrombie saw? Why would they have to fiddle with it at all? Why not let us see the original “birth records”???
Because there is something very damaging to Little Barry on that post-it note—that’s why.
Brings back memories of Dan Rather. lol
Where did Taitz get the idea the original is typewritten??? When Fukino looked at it, she said it was half handwritten. When Abercrombie looked at it, he said it was a notation; something written down. These are the only two eyewitnesses I know of; when did what they saw morph into a typed document?
From Hawaii’s media release:
“On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President.
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”
What Ms. Taitz needs to do is go to a judge and get a court order for a copy of the original long form. That is allowable under Hawaii law. The state does not have to respond to a subpoena but they can’t ignore a court order from a judge. Subpoenas are not court orders.
What Fuddy and Onaka copied is not what Fukino and Abercrombie saw. Their description of what they found in the files does not match what was released.
By ‘their description’, I meant Fukino’s and Abercrombie’s description. They both agree that what they saw was to a large extent “handwritten”. What was released was not a “notation”, therefore it is not what Abercrombie, much less Fukino, found in the file.
There’s no way around it. An abstract was created, and substituted for the “notation” that Abercrombie saw, and likewise for the “half handwritten” document Fukino found.
In case anyone has forgotten, here is a rehash of the Fukino statement:
[snip]”the communications director for the state’s then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document’s validity.”
That form Obama released was not signed by the delivery room dr, was it? More proof that a substitution was made—as if more was needed.
“What Fuddy and Onaka copied is not what Fukino and Abercrombie saw. Their description of what they found in the files does not match what was released.”
Dr. Onaka would be key to that testimony since he accompanied Dr. Fukino in 2008 on the search of the Hawaii Department of Health that Governor Lingle requested and he also certified the 2011 copy of the Long Form that Fuddy released to Zero.
My point is that Fukino, Lingle, Abercrombie, Onaka and Fuddy are all people who could be subpoenaed and deposed.
I believe Abercrombie was talking about seeing the Index Data for the Obama Certificate of Live Birth and not the actual Certificate itself.
But all of them should testify under oath, with cross-examination.
Whatever Fukino saw had the delivering dr’s signature, which what Obama released does not. Also, Abercrombie was asked specifically about the BC, which he had pledged to find and release, so as to lay the matter permanently to rest. Not only did he not verify that he had found the BC, but he told one of his friends it wasn’t there—it wasn’t on record at all. The friend went all over the airwaves and repeated what Abercrombie told him: that there was no Barack Obama HI BC on file. This really happened; it is not an urban legend.
I don’t know how anyone can construe these statements otherwise [than that the original ‘birth records’ were not released, and something else was]. It is pie in the sky to say, ‘put them all under oath’ - what judge is going to do that? Besides, we already have enough info to know there are more lies and deceptions here than in communist USSR. Anyone that doesn’t see the scam must just not be looking.
“Whatever Fukino saw had the delivering drs signature, which what Obama released does not. Also, Abercrombie was asked specifically about the BC, which he had pledged to find and release, so as to lay the matter permanently to rest. Not only did he not verify that he had found the BC, but he told one of his friends it wasnt thereit wasnt on record at all. The friend went all over the airwaves and repeated what Abercrombie told him: that there was no Barack Obama HI BC on file. This really happened; it is not an urban legend.
I dont know how anyone can construe these statements otherwise [than that the original birth records were not released, and something else was]. It is pie in the sky to say, put them all under oath - what judge is going to do that? Besides, we already have enough info to know there are more lies and deceptions here than in communist USSR. Anyone that doesnt see the scam must just not be looking.”
My understanding is that Dr. Fukino’s replacement, Loretta Fuddy released a Certificate of Live Birth that has the signature of attending physician David A. Sinclair, MD. on it, signed on August 7, 1961.
Dr. Sinclair’s widow, Ivalee Sinclair has verified that is her deceased husband’s signature on Zero’s long form.
From Honolulu TV Station KITV
Widow Of Obama’s Birth Doctor Feels ‘Honored’
Ivalee Sinclair Still In Shock Over News
April 28, 2011
SHUT THE HELL UP you ‘anti birthers’
IF YOU GOT SOMETHING BETTER YOU GO FOR IT!!!!!!!
In the meantime, since I am a DIGITAL DOCUMENT EXPERT FOR A LIVING I will help prove OBAMA COMMITED A FRAID
I did not know a particular dr had been named. So if you really believe this is a true copy and not an ‘abstract’, why did Abercrombie tell his talkative friend there was no BC on file for Obama?
“I did not know a particular dr had been named. So if you really believe this is a true copy and not an abstract, why did Abercrombie tell his talkative friend there was no BC on file for Obama?”
A “short form” Certification of Live Birth is an abstract. A “long form” Certificate of Live Birth is a copy.
I can’t explain Abercrombie’s statement, but I do know that Fox News quoted Dr. Fukino as saying that the original Zero birth certificate had been moved by Dr. Onaka to a more secure location. Perhaps with the change of administrations in Hawaii, Abercrombie didn’t go to the “more secure location?”
The official statement of Director Fuddy under Abercrombie’s letterhead is what would be introduced in a court of law or before a committee of Congress.
You are not alone in being unable to explain Abercrombie’s statement. Nobody can explain it without admitting there is major fraud connected with Obama’s BC.
Nor do I buy the absurd idea that a completely typed form, with signatures added, can be described as “half handwritten”. The form released was a fully typed form. Just because somebody signs on the line does not convert it into a ‘half handwritten’ document. Nobody describes a fully typed form with signatures as half handwritten—nobody.
Honestly, people say things in defense of Obama they would be ashamed to say in any other context. Not you, of course—I don’t believe you would describe the document Obama released as ‘half handwritten’. I haven’t actually heard or met *anybody* who describes it that way. I’m willing to bet somewhere there is an Obot who made that argument, however. Probably on DU, or Kos.
You have a problem with Kenyan Citizens running guns? Why is that any of your business?