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Subpoena targets '1961 typewritten birth certificate'
WND ^ | July 08, 2011 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/08/2011 3:00:59 AM PDT by RobinMasters

A subpoena has been served on officials in the Hawaii Department of Health and the state's attorney general demanding access to the original "1961 typewritten birth certificate #10641 for Barack Obama."

The attorney behind the case, Orly Taitz, told WND she is asking a court to compel compliance.

The California attorney contends the state's "privacy" regulations should be ignored, as Obama already has released what the White House purported to be a copy of the document to the public.

She has developed a case in Washington, D.C., seeking the original application for Obama's Social Security number, a document that could provide significant information about the president's early life that relates to his eligibility.

U.S. District Court Chief Judge Royce Lamberth recently rejected a defense concern over procedure in the dispute. Taitz said that moved the case into the discovery phase, in which she can issue subpoenas to those holding documentation she is seeking.

WND previously has reported on the issue that Obama holds a Connecticut-based Social Security number despite allegedly being born in Hawaii, starting his work career in the Aloha State, and never having lived in Connecticut.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barrysoetoro; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; eligibility; fraud; hopespringseternal; naturalborncitizen; orlytaitz; thistimeforsure; usurper; wnd

1 posted on 07/08/2011 3:01:02 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Finally.

Who could have a problem with that?


2 posted on 07/08/2011 3:16:09 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Purge the Legalize-Drugs Cop-Hating Pro-Homosexual-Marriage Liberaltarians from FR.)
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To: RobinMasters

this woman has worked consistently to open this wide open and obama has worked just as hard to keep it closed. obama has made a mockery out of this nation and its constitution.


3 posted on 07/08/2011 3:31:09 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: RobinMasters
O Rly? This story will never end. She's got a pretty good point though. Privacy concerns should not be at issue since the Whitehouse released a copy.
4 posted on 07/08/2011 3:42:19 AM PDT by Dubya-M-Dees (Little HOPE... No CHANGE)
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To: RobinMasters

But I thought this was all taken care of. Didn’t Obama finally release his Birth Certificate a couple of months ago?

(NOTE: Just playing the part of the clueless electorate here...which is exactly the mechanism Obama and his advisors wanted to utilize. Most of the television watching drones just blankly saw douche bags like Brian Williams say things like “Well, tonight President Obama has finally released his original birth certificate, which should put this controversy to bed...” and they thought “Well. It is about time. Oh, look! Something shiny over there!”)


5 posted on 07/08/2011 3:44:53 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: RobinMasters
Is Obama using the stimulus to to fund these birther nutbags?

Now the DNC is sending out birther mass mailing to keep people talking about it.



Way to go birthers... way to go.

Our country is bankrupt & Obama is selling guns to Mexican drug lords and this is what you guys are distracting the country with.
6 posted on 07/08/2011 3:52:18 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Oh Royce was a pain in the neck for Clinton too


7 posted on 07/08/2011 4:00:36 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: rlmorel

He should have got Dan Rather to do the birth cert. bit, oops guess he did. Dan’s so good at those things you know.


8 posted on 07/08/2011 4:10:55 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: RobinMasters

Was this subpoena issued by an Article III court or grand jury, or by a litigant?


9 posted on 07/08/2011 4:12:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: RobinMasters

The point that is this we Americans, at least the real patriotic ones that this, we are like a pit bull on this issue, we will not let go no matter how hard we are shaken.

We are doing this for our future generation. First off so history is correct and not a democratic edited version and secondly so it can be prevented from ever happening again.

The facts speak for themselves, Obama failed to qualify and though many allowed it to happen he technically was never eligible to be POTUS. Him being totally incompetent makes it even worse.

many books, movies and lectures will arise from this issue for many years.

The lies of his nomination will be more so exposed, it cannot be whitewashed forever.


10 posted on 07/08/2011 4:24:47 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (2012, NO MORE LIES!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Plenty of people can chew gum and walk at the same time. They can also process multiple news stories.

You - apparently - cannot. The rest of us do not suffer from that disability.


11 posted on 07/08/2011 4:25:02 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: RobinMasters
despite allegedly being born in Hawaii

The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

12 posted on 07/08/2011 4:55:45 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: RobinMasters

Wasn’t the whole point of requiring public officials to disclose their tax and financial records allowing ‘we the people’ full disclosure of their private lives in order to avoid these kinds of fraud? John Kerry was just another case in point whom we almost ended up w/ as prez in 2004.

The mainstream press [fox included] thoroughly disgust me on these matters. They have more tools that ever at their disposal to leave no stone unturned in their investigations but when it comes to the government and ‘special interests’ they become completely myopic.


13 posted on 07/08/2011 5:39:13 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: rlmorel
Oh, look! Something shiny over there!

LOL!

14 posted on 07/08/2011 6:23:30 AM PDT by b9
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To: agere_contra
It's not a "news story" it's like believing in bigfoot or that aliens built the pyramids.

Maybe next we should all go try to find the lost city of Atlantis while Obama smuggles guns.
15 posted on 07/08/2011 6:36:52 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Yeah, if the “birth certificate” that was released is simply a scan of the typewritten copy,

there should be no hesitation whatsoever to release the typewritten copy for examination.

Except, of course, that they two will NOT match, and it will readily point out the fraud in the released version.


16 posted on 07/08/2011 6:45:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: RobinMasters; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; Fantasywriter; ColdOne; ...
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Subpoena targets '1961 typewritten birth certificate'

How many minutes before SP's show up to bash Orly?

Article, then # 6 , # 10.

[I'll be offline the remainder of the day.]

17 posted on 07/08/2011 11:19:10 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: RobinMasters

Where did Taitz get the idea the original is typewritten??? When Fukino looked at it, she said it was “half handwritten”. When Abercrombie looked at it, he said it was a “notation”; something “written down”. These are the only two eyewitnesses I know of; when did what they saw morph into a typed document?


18 posted on 07/08/2011 11:39:32 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: LucyT

Bump for later read.


19 posted on 07/08/2011 12:41:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fantasywriter
That is the essence of the point at hand: barry bassturd ‘released’ a typed document yet the only two witnesses to the thing in HI files do not corroborate the ‘released’ items. Additionally, the ‘released’ items are composites, not a mere photostat copy of an original.
20 posted on 07/08/2011 12:47:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ASA Vet

While your post is precisely factual, one third of the federal oligarchy (the subPreme Roberts court) has made it their policy to not address the issue of the Constitutional eligibility issue. What we birthers are seeking is exposure of barry bassturd’s criminality. If enough comes into the open, even the Senate Democraps will not risk being dethroned over protecting a gross criminal, their organizaion being a criminal enterprise.


21 posted on 07/08/2011 12:50:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; Kenny Bunk

You betcha they’re composites. On this point the state of HI doesn’t even dispute you. As the ever-astute KB pointed out, HI called the released document an “abstract” one—and ONLY one—time, prior to religiously referring to it ever after as a BC. If I can say this w’out getting in trouble, only a person with a bias toward Obama can fail to see we’ve been had. A composite/abstract of ***what***, exactly??? The post-it note Abercrombie saw? Why would they have to fiddle with it at all? Why not let us see the original “birth records”???

Because there is something very damaging to Little Barry on that post-it note—that’s why.


22 posted on 07/08/2011 1:16:12 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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23 posted on 07/08/2011 1:55:18 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: MrB

Brings back memories of Dan Rather. lol


24 posted on 07/08/2011 1:59:24 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a Pal In Sarah.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Where did Taitz get the idea the original is typewritten??? When Fukino looked at it, she said it was “half handwritten”. When Abercrombie looked at it, he said it was a “notation”; something “written down”. These are the only two eyewitnesses I know of; when did what they saw morph into a typed document?


Add to that list the current Director of Health, Loretta Fuddy and the Registrar of Vital Statistics Dr. Alvin T. Onaka.
Onaka accompanied Fukino on the original visit to the files to see the long form and he put his certification stamp on the photocopies of the long form that Fuddy prepared for Obama.

From Hawaii’s media release:
“On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President.

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”

What Ms. Taitz needs to do is go to a judge and get a court order for a copy of the original long form. That is allowable under Hawaii law. The state does not have to respond to a subpoena but they can’t ignore a court order from a judge. Subpoenas are not court orders.


25 posted on 07/08/2011 7:47:42 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: jh4freedom

What Fuddy and Onaka copied is not what Fukino and Abercrombie saw. Their description of what they found in the files does not match what was released.


26 posted on 07/08/2011 7:59:04 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

By ‘their description’, I meant Fukino’s and Abercrombie’s description. They both agree that what they saw was to a large extent “handwritten”. What was released was not a “notation”, therefore it is not what Abercrombie, much less Fukino, found in the file.

There’s no way around it. An abstract was created, and substituted for the “notation” that Abercrombie saw, and likewise for the “half handwritten” document Fukino found.


27 posted on 07/08/2011 8:09:09 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: jh4freedom

In case anyone has forgotten, here is a rehash of the Fukino statement:

[snip]”the communications director for the state’s then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document’s validity.”

That form Obama released was not signed by the delivery room dr, was it? More proof that a substitution was made—as if more was needed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/t/ex-hawaii-official-denounces-ludicrous-birther-claims/


28 posted on 07/08/2011 8:31:43 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

“What Fuddy and Onaka copied is not what Fukino and Abercrombie saw. Their description of what they found in the files does not match what was released.”

Dr. Onaka would be key to that testimony since he accompanied Dr. Fukino in 2008 on the search of the Hawaii Department of Health that Governor Lingle requested and he also certified the 2011 copy of the Long Form that Fuddy released to Zero.
My point is that Fukino, Lingle, Abercrombie, Onaka and Fuddy are all people who could be subpoenaed and deposed.

I believe Abercrombie was talking about seeing the Index Data for the Obama Certificate of Live Birth and not the actual Certificate itself.

But all of them should testify under oath, with cross-examination.


29 posted on 07/09/2011 10:10:22 AM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: jh4freedom

Whatever Fukino saw had the delivering dr’s signature, which what Obama released does not. Also, Abercrombie was asked specifically about the BC, which he had pledged to find and release, so as to lay the matter permanently to rest. Not only did he not verify that he had found the BC, but he told one of his friends it wasn’t there—it wasn’t on record at all. The friend went all over the airwaves and repeated what Abercrombie told him: that there was no Barack Obama HI BC on file. This really happened; it is not an urban legend.

I don’t know how anyone can construe these statements otherwise [than that the original ‘birth records’ were not released, and something else was]. It is pie in the sky to say, ‘put them all under oath’ - what judge is going to do that? Besides, we already have enough info to know there are more lies and deceptions here than in communist USSR. Anyone that doesn’t see the scam must just not be looking.


30 posted on 07/09/2011 1:30:31 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

“Whatever Fukino saw had the delivering dr’s signature, which what Obama released does not. Also, Abercrombie was asked specifically about the BC, which he had pledged to find and release, so as to lay the matter permanently to rest. Not only did he not verify that he had found the BC, but he told one of his friends it wasn’t there—it wasn’t on record at all. The friend went all over the airwaves and repeated what Abercrombie told him: that there was no Barack Obama HI BC on file. This really happened; it is not an urban legend.

I don’t know how anyone can construe these statements otherwise [than that the original ‘birth records’ were not released, and something else was]. It is pie in the sky to say, ‘put them all under oath’ - what judge is going to do that? Besides, we already have enough info to know there are more lies and deceptions here than in communist USSR. Anyone that doesn’t see the scam must just not be looking.”

My understanding is that Dr. Fukino’s replacement, Loretta Fuddy released a Certificate of Live Birth that has the signature of attending physician David A. Sinclair, MD. on it, signed on August 7, 1961.
Dr. Sinclair’s widow, Ivalee Sinclair has verified that is her deceased husband’s signature on Zero’s long form.

From Honolulu TV Station KITV

Widow Of Obama’s Birth Doctor Feels ‘Honored’
Ivalee Sinclair Still In Shock Over News
April 28, 2011

Read more: http://www.kitv.com/news/27696344/detail.html#ixzz1ReAweK6L


31 posted on 07/09/2011 3:08:37 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

SHUT THE HELL UP you ‘anti birthers’

IF YOU GOT SOMETHING BETTER YOU GO FOR IT!!!!!!!

In the meantime, since I am a DIGITAL DOCUMENT EXPERT FOR A LIVING I will help prove OBAMA COMMITED A FRAID


32 posted on 07/09/2011 3:13:15 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: jh4freedom

I did not know a particular dr had been named. So if you really believe this is a true copy and not an ‘abstract’, why did Abercrombie tell his talkative friend there was no BC on file for Obama?


33 posted on 07/09/2011 3:18:40 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

“I did not know a particular dr had been named. So if you really believe this is a true copy and not an ‘abstract’, why did Abercrombie tell his talkative friend there was no BC on file for Obama?”

A “short form” Certification of Live Birth is an abstract. A “long form” Certificate of Live Birth is a copy.

I can’t explain Abercrombie’s statement, but I do know that Fox News quoted Dr. Fukino as saying that the original Zero birth certificate had been moved by Dr. Onaka to a more secure location. Perhaps with the change of administrations in Hawaii, Abercrombie didn’t go to the “more secure location?”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/

The official statement of Director Fuddy under Abercrombie’s letterhead is what would be introduced in a court of law or before a committee of Congress.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf


34 posted on 07/09/2011 5:07:09 PM PDT by jh4freedom (Mr. "O" has got to go.)
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35 posted on 07/09/2011 5:07:49 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jh4freedom

You are not alone in being unable to explain Abercrombie’s statement. Nobody can explain it without admitting there is major fraud connected with Obama’s BC.

Nor do I buy the absurd idea that a completely typed form, with signatures added, can be described as “half handwritten”. The form released was a fully typed form. Just because somebody signs on the line does not convert it into a ‘half handwritten’ document. Nobody describes a fully typed form with signatures as half handwritten—nobody.

Honestly, people say things in defense of Obama they would be ashamed to say in any other context. Not you, of course—I don’t believe you would describe the document Obama released as ‘half handwritten’. I haven’t actually heard or met *anybody* who describes it that way. I’m willing to bet somewhere there is an Obot who made that argument, however. Probably on DU, or Kos.


36 posted on 07/09/2011 5:16:42 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Minus_The_Bear

You have a problem with Kenyan Citizens running guns? Why is that any of your business?


37 posted on 07/09/2011 9:36:33 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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