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Christian Right Accused of Sexism Over Lack of Enthusiasm for Bachmann
Christian Post ^ | July 7, 2011 | Napp Nazworth

Posted on 07/08/2011 5:30:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Christian Right leaders are not rallying behind Michele Bachmann for president and it’s “probably” because they are sexist, contends a writer for Time.

.....“Totally unfair and inaccurate” is how Penny Nance, CEO of Concerned Women for America, described [Amy] Sullivan's characterization. Nance was invited to join the conference call but was unable to do so.

“Social conservatives are ready for a woman president,” Nance said. “In fact, the McCain campaign really took off,” added Nance, “after Sarah Palin was nominated.”

Nance remembered that during the 2008 election she was mostly standing on the sidelines until Palin was added to the ticket. Then, she began volunteering for McCain and she has many friends that did the same. Palin “was a woman they identified with,” Nance said.

Regarding a Perry candidacy, Nance said, “It's still very early” and “it's good for the country to have lots of choices.”

While Perry has a good relationship with social conservatives, they have not always seen eye to eye. In 2007, Perry proposed requiring all school-aged girls to receive the HPV vaccine. Concerned Women for America was one of the groups that thought that the vaccine should carry an opt-in provision, in which parents would sign their kids up to receive the free vaccination, rather than Perry's proposed opt-out provision, in which all female school children would automatically receive the vaccine unless their parents explicitly requested that they not receive the vaccine.

Ann Hettinger, Concerned Women for America's state director of Texas, was instrumental in convincing Perry to change his proposal to an opt-in provision. When asked if Perry's original plans for the HPV vaccine would be an issue if he were to run for president, Nance replied, “It would've been an issue if he had not fixed it.”

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I'm not a mind reader but it strikes me that Gov. Rick Perry truly believed the HPV vaccine would have helped a lot of Texans who otherwise would not have gotten this protection against cervical cancer (it was to help with 3 strains of the human papilloma virus HPV).

Rick Perry's wife Anita Perry was a nurse for many years and still is involved in health care as First Lady of Texas, so I imagine health care is something this governor is more aware of than maybe your "average" governor and understood this to be a vaccine that would combat cervical cancer and cut heath care costs.

Then too Rick Perry grew up hard scrabble with little luxury as many have, yet vaccines traditionally have been made available to all.

Instead of applying the worst motives to Rick Perry, perhaps his critics could consider that his motives were good ones.

Another FReeper had some thoughts on this issue.

However, there are some here on FR who prefer to apply the worst motives to Rick Perry.

The most "vocal" either won't name a candidate they would support; say they would vote for Huntsman or Romney over Perry; say they would rather Obama stay in the White House than vote for Rick Perry.

The HPV vaccine was always Opt-Out. And according to this report had been changed to Opt-In, before being dropped entirely.

90 days after his EO, Gov. Rick Perry let stand legislation undoing the EO.

..Ann Hettinger, Concerned Women for America's state director of Texas, was instrumental in convincing Perry to change his proposal to an opt-in provision. When asked if Perry's original plans for the HPV vaccine would be an issue if he were to run for president, [Penny] Nance replied, “It would've been an issue IF HE HAD NOT FIXED IT.”

1 posted on 07/08/2011 5:30:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Knock yourselves out.


2 posted on 07/08/2011 5:31:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’d take Perry over Romney or Gingrich. I don’t know anything about Huntsman yet.


3 posted on 07/08/2011 5:32:50 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nina0113
"I don’t know anything about Huntsman yet."

From what I've seen of him he's a Romney clone - nice presentation but takes whatever position would garner him the most support.

4 posted on 07/08/2011 5:47:13 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: nina0113
RE Huntsman:

"Former Democratic President Jimmy Carter has a favorite in the race for the Republican nomination for president.

In an interview printed Wednesday by CNN, Carter said that Jon Huntsman is “very attractive to me personally.”

Huntsman formed a PAC on Tuesday, a move widely considered a step to launching a run for president.

The former Utah governor and former Ambassador to China is disliked by some conservatives for being a moderate Republican closely affiliated with the Obama administration...." Source

5 posted on 07/08/2011 5:48:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wow talk about misinformation!

Perry never "fixed" it:

In May of 2007, state legislators in Texas passed a bill that effectively overturned Governor Perry's order mandating Gardasil. In response to the bill, Governor Perry held a press conference where he first thanked the legislators who voted against the bill, and then referred to numerous cervical cancer survivors as evidence that the mandate was necessary.

"No lost lives will occupy the confines of their conscience, sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. ...

I challenge legislators to look these women in the eye and tell them, 'We could have prevented this disease for your daughters and your granddaughters, but we just didn't have the gumption to address all the misguided and misleading political rhetoric.' "

The bill's author, state Rep. Dennis Bonnen, R-Angleton, criticized the governor's decision "to use cancer victims as his backdrop for an issue that he has grossly misjudged."

" The governor has missed the point. Just because you don't want to offer up 165,000 11-year-old girls to be Merck's study group doesn't mean you don't care about women's health, doesn't mean you don't care about young girls."

Governor Perry allowed the bill to go into affect without vetoing it as the state legislature had enough votes to override the veto.

Me: Whatever you think about the Gardasil episode it's important to tell the truth about it.

6 posted on 07/08/2011 5:54:38 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The HPV vaccine was always Opt-Out. And according to this report had been changed to Opt-In, before being dropped entirely. “

Thanks for this post — this information is clearly not well known. Some are acting as if Perry personally is holding down young girls as we speak, forcing them to receive the vaccine, then pushing them out to have sex.

I wonder what are their motives for spreading such disinformation.


7 posted on 07/08/2011 5:54:57 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: free me

He changed it to “opt-in”, before the Legislature overrode the whole thing — so what is the problem with that?


8 posted on 07/08/2011 5:56:48 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I just came across something else — a lot of states require HPV vaccinations.

http://www.aproundtable.org/HPV/states.html


9 posted on 07/08/2011 6:02:43 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

No he did not!

And it wasn’t a “proposal” as quoted in the article. It was an executive order.

The women in the article is saying Perry fixed it because he didn’t veto the bill overturning his executive order. Which is nonsense because the legislature had the votes to overturn the veto. He had no choice.


10 posted on 07/08/2011 6:03:07 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: free me

RINO Perry and his PerryBOTs have no shame
as they try to revise history.

GARDASIL-GATE:

RINO Perry's
Chief of Staff worked for Merck
and, at the time, the Merck company was desperate for cash.
Solution: MANDATE GARDASIL BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.

RINO Perry rejected opponents' and Conservatives' calls to reverse
his mandate

There are >40 Types of HPV, 15 Types linked to cervical cancer.
Gardasil works against 4 Types and
does not grant full immunity to those 4 Types of HPV.
Gardasil offers no protection against the other
11 strains of HPV that have been linked to cervical cancer.

Sexually promiscuous women (not chaste girls)
require three shots over six months

CDC: 44% of teenagers received the HPV vaccine
but only 27% of them received all three requisite doses.
There is no evidence one does even works.

CDC: As of June 22, 2011, approximately 35 million doses of Gardasil
were distributed in the US. VAERS received a total
of 18,727 reports of adverse events; 68 deaths
.

11 posted on 07/08/2011 6:05:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I just also looked up info on Gardasil, which I haven’t done before.

I guess it’s a bad thing to try to prevent women from having cancer. With the opt-out it’s NOT “mandatory”.

“GARDASIL is the only human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine that helps protect against 4 types of HPV. In girls and young women ages 9 to 26, GARDASIL helps protect against 2 types of HPV that cause about 75% of cervical cancer cases, and 2 more types that cause 90% of genital warts cases. In boys and young men ages 9 to 26, GARDASIL helps protect against 90% of genital warts cases.

GARDASIL also helps protect girls and young women ages 9 to 26 against 70% of vaginal cancer cases and up to 50% of vulvar cancer cases.”

http://www.gardasil.com/hpv/hpv-types/hpv-transmission/index.html?WT.mc_id=GL0ES&MTD=2

This is a totally ludicrous election issue — we have someone president who is literally destroying the country and our freedoms. Then we have Perry, who can beat him in 2012 and the worst thing people can say about Perry, is that he wanted to protect young girls from cancer... and I guess that is good enough reason for some to just give Obama 4 more years.

This is Twilight Zone stuff...


12 posted on 07/08/2011 6:08:03 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: free me

We live in a time where people believe what they want to believe if it makes them feel good or is supportive of what they want.

The facts and the truth are quite optional.

Thats how we ended up in this mess we are in now.


13 posted on 07/08/2011 6:09:34 AM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy

You’re right, look at them with their eyes wide shut.

Truth has no hope in that environment.


14 posted on 07/08/2011 6:15:23 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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Anyone associated with globalists or the cfr will push this stuff, they have to. They want to control population, keep it at 500mill, see georgia guidestones. Lies on top of lies.
15 posted on 07/08/2011 6:16:48 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Jesus Christ is Lord and God.)
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To: Clairity
Some are acting as if Perry personally is holding down young girls as we speak, forcing them to receive the vaccine, then pushing them out to have sex.

And posting graphics too.

Courtesy of FR poster “truthfreedom” (posted 3 others on same thread at source link below)

Source

16 posted on 07/08/2011 6:26:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Stop dragging in stuff from other threads.


17 posted on 07/08/2011 6:28:17 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Sorry.

I thought it was permissible to source link “on topic.”


18 posted on 07/08/2011 6:30:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Clairity; Diogenesis; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
I guess it’s a bad thing to try to prevent women from having cancer. With the opt-out it’s NOT “mandatory”.

First of all, Gardasil DOES NOT prevent cancer. It is a vaccine that will work on certain strains of HPV, nothing more.

Secondly, Perry's original intent was to make this shot mandatory for all teenage girls.

Thirdly, HPV is 100% preventable WITHOUT shots.

Finally, the long term effects of this vaccine are not known. They want to give it to all girls in an effort to promote promiscuity. What will this drug do to their reproductive system? What are the long term effects?

19 posted on 07/08/2011 6:31:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
.....They want to give it to all girls in an effort to promote promiscuity....

Who is "they?"

20 posted on 07/08/2011 6:33:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

To prevent dupes, please do not alter the published title, thanks.


21 posted on 07/08/2011 6:34:57 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: free me

Amen!!

This is the accurate version. Shame on CWA for white washing the
real story.


22 posted on 07/08/2011 6:40:21 AM PDT by Lesforlife (Fighting to end abortion in my lifetime!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In an interview printed Wednesday by CNN, Carter said that Jon Huntsman is “very attractive to me personally.”

Good enough (bad enough) for me.

23 posted on 07/08/2011 6:40:31 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When I look at this issue I see a six thousand dollar campaign gift from the pharma company behind Guardasil and Perry backing down under pressure and changing his position.

If his name were Romney people would be calling it a flip-flop.


24 posted on 07/08/2011 6:42:21 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
wagglebee: ".....They want to give it to all girls in an effort to promote promiscuity...."

Cincinatus' Wife" "Who is "they?""

"They" would include everyone mandating the drug,
and the individuals who supported 'they who mandated the drug (Perry's EO)'
and the individuals who protected 'they who mandated the drug',
and the individuals and PerryBOTs who are attempting
to cover up the existence of the Executive Order mandate
for the drug.

25 posted on 07/08/2011 6:44:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Psalm 73
From what I've seen of him he's a Romney clone - nice presentation but takes whatever position would garner him the most support.

Texas doesn't have any analog of RomneyCare™ That is the 800# gorilla in the room.

Texas also has by design a weak Governor while having a strong Lt Governor (a role that Perry once held), so comparing governorships is rather silly.

While Perry went to conservative Texas A&M, worked a cotton business and became a captain in the USAF, Romney went to Marxist Stanford then religious haven BYU before spreading Mormonism in France for a few years before landing a great gig with Bill Bain where he was an outstanding protege leading to Romney being one of the best in the field in handling leveraged buyouts.

Perry's life is one brought from the cotton fields of Texas, the agricultural school of A&M and the military of the united States before being what appears to be a life long politician who has a record of fiscal austerity. I am sure that his Rolodex is full of politicians and friends of politicians.

Romney is the stereotypical East coast liberal silver spoon, a veritable rise from riches to riches. His religion forces him to live a structured and highly regulated life. His ambition drives him to succeed in terms of rising to the top. Romney has demonstrated that he is one of the best in dealing with highly in debt, managerially screwed up organizations that can be brought back to life with the proper management. As a liquidator, Romney's track record is one of destroying jobs - in a good way, that is, cutting dead-wood while finding and nurturing the profitable branches.

The problem with Romney outside of that obscenity of RomneyCare™ is that he is one man against an army of literally millions who diametrically oppose pruning government. In order for Romney to succeed, he would have to have a major retrofit of every department, replacing high level bureaucrats who have long established fiefdoms and empires with private, pro-business, top drawer managers who are willing to work themselves out of a job. Good luck with that. Those kind of people are in high demand in the private sector and a G-15 paycheck without stock options and nine figure performance bonuses isn't going to attract the best and brightest - only the most craven, criminal and corrupt.

Given the reality of the political landscape, Romney would be a failed and frustrated Executive. Reagan lamented that his ideological influence only went Secretary level deep as the entrenched bureaucracy knew that they would be there long after Reagan & Co. left. Romney faces several orders of magnitude worse than same problem. Prediction: EPIC FAIL.

Perry, on the other hand, is a creature of the bureaucracy, after his first successful election, all he knows is politics, and a very good-ol-boy network that is typical Texas, where the GOP may have the majority in the House but they elected a pervert, stab-you-in-the-back Progressive as their Speaker. Perry knows how to work with a highly dysfunctional Legislature that meets every two years to engineer more insanity to foist on their fellow Texans - and yet Texas still continues on.

I'm not a Perry fan, I would prefer a Palin since her Rolodex is probably much more in tune with Conservatives than Perry's or Romney's. OTOH, Perry is no friend of George Bush, some would say that their relationship is "complex" in that while the Bush family clearly hates Perry Perry is not antagonistic to the Bushes. I don't know what Perry's Cabinet would look like, maybe second benchers of the same team, maybe something surprising.

Removing Perry from Texas would likely/hopefully get us Greg Abbott who presently is the best Attorney General, speaking in terms of character and integrity, in the US right now. Texas doesn't deserve the likes of Abbott, but would certainly benefit, and the US doesn't deserve the likes of Perry, but would certainly benefit.

26 posted on 07/08/2011 6:45:39 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Diogenesis; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; ...
Who is "they?"

The groups pushing Gardasil.

You can pretend it's not a big deal all you want, but the facts aren't on your side:

Merck Researcher Admits: Gardasil Guards Against Almost Nothing

(UK) Cervical cancer jab would 'make girls more promiscuous'

Judicial Watch uncovers FDA records detailing 16 new deaths tied to Gardisil

Gardasil Researcher Speaks Out ("Public Should Receive More Complete Warnings")

Gardasil Linked to Nerve Disorder Cervical Cancer Vaccine May Raise Risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome

Wichita Teen Says She's Dying From Vaccine[Gardasil]

HPV Vaccine Causes 21 Deaths and Counting - CDC Study Launched

FDA: 28 Miscarriages No Reason to Reexamine Gardasil

Deaths Associated with HPV Vaccine Start Rolling In, Over 3500 Adverse Affects Reported

Drug Conglomerate funds campaign to impose Mandatory HPV Vaccine on Young Girls

There are plenty more, but this should give you a general idea.

Perry may have changed his mind, but he bought this thing hook, line and sinker two years ago.

27 posted on 07/08/2011 6:47:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; All
For those confused by the Sidebar Moderators comment, I had titled this thread:

"Concerned Women for America: Bachmann, Palin, Perry and the Gardasil HPV vaccine non-issue"

And then I emphasized the HPV Gardasil vaccine and Rick Perry's EO in my opening post.

This issue has a few FReepers spamming every thread about Rick Perry. I felt it was proper to point out what the Concerned Women for America were saying about this issue and how they viewed it.

I was hoping to draw FReepers to this thread and give them a dedicated forum where we could hash this out and others could jump in or just "listen."

Unfortunately the title read like a slam on Michele Bachmann (which was not a position I would promote).

The title of the thread now is correctly the title of the linked article from where I pulled the body of the thread.

I apologize to the Sidebar Moderator.

I hope this helps.

28 posted on 07/08/2011 6:48:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; wagglebee

>>> They want to give it to all girls in an effort to promote promiscuity..

Did we run out of tequila ?


29 posted on 07/08/2011 6:50:10 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry was in favor of the whore’s vaccine. I do not want my girls to receive the whore’s vaccine since they are not whores.


30 posted on 07/08/2011 6:51:33 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m a social conservative. I’m looking for the candidate who can win, and I’m not convinced that Bachmann is that candidate.

That said, if she were the nominee, I would vote for her.

I prefer Perry or Palin, neither of whom is running.


31 posted on 07/08/2011 6:52:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: nina0113; Psalm 73

The media and the republican establishment like Huntsman.

That’s enough for me to dismiss him as the right guy for the job.


32 posted on 07/08/2011 6:56:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Seems the "thought police" are getting more bold...you can't even have an opinion or preference anymore without being accused of some kind of "-ism".

Probably a lot of the "Christian Right" are waiting on Sarah Palin to join the fray...but I'm trying to figure out how preferring Palin over Bachmann is "SEXism"? I mean, they both look like women to me.

But the press and the left are driving any point to try and stay away from the points that count...the issues and the demise of America under barack obama.

The media plays this game every election cycle, trying to start internal strife and in-fighting among our own candidates. But I think both Palin and Bachmann are way ahead of the media frat boys and are handling it with class and dignity - two words that are lost on liberals.

obamatron has a history of using his time and money to destroy his competition as he has no creditials or track record of his own to use to win the right way.

Our television-drama nation now falls for pretty speech - even if it is teleprompted - as opposed to taking 15 minutes to actually study someone's record. Fifteen minutes is all it would take to get the low-down on obama...everything he's ever done is low down.

It's funny that a leftist group of ugly women accuse the Christian right of "sexism", yet the left doesn't even have a female candidate anywhere near running for president on their side.

As usual, liberal projection dictates that they accuse the opposition of what they, themselves, are guilty of.
33 posted on 07/08/2011 7:11:02 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: impimp
Perry was in favor of the whore’s vaccine. I do not want my girls to receive the whore’s vaccine since they are not whores.

Hate to break the news to you but it is not at all unusual for parents who spout nonsense about their girls sexual habits to be surprised that the boys that they know think quite differently! You may say they are not whores, but that may not be the final word...

34 posted on 07/08/2011 7:14:55 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: FrankR
As usual, liberal projection dictates that they accuse the opposition of what they, themselves, are guilty of.

That can never be said enough.

Bump!

35 posted on 07/08/2011 7:15:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

” Christian Right leaders are not rallying behind Michele Bachmann for president and it’s “probably” because they are sexist, contends a writer for Time. “

Will save that quote in case Bachman is the nominee and Time trashes her.


36 posted on 07/08/2011 7:15:58 AM PDT by Humble Servant
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To: tlb; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Lesforlife
Did we run out of tequila ?

Are you suggesting that the agenda to sexualize teenage girls is positive?

37 posted on 07/08/2011 7:18:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Cincinatus' Wife
The HPV vaccine has a good rate of success, and if chosen voluntarily, I see no problem with it. Since it directly attacks a particular virus, it is in no way parallel with something like a condom that sends the message of free sexuality.

It is instead a means of protecting women from HPV WHEREVER THEY MIGHT ENCOUNTER IT....even from their husbands who might be totally unaware they carry it.

Moreover, there is some research that suggests HPV is not always sexually transmitted:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2256864 However, the high prevalence of the infection among the virginal women indicated that transmission of HPV by nonsexual modes was common. Genital HPV infection is ubiquitous and in women is not exclusively a venereal disease.

Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection of the genital tract was assessed in 205 women and 111 spouses by clinical exam, colposcopy and histological examination of punch biopsies. All were patients referred to the colposcopy clinic: 43 were virgins and 162 women were sexually experienced. Among the virgins 51.2% had colposcopic evidence of HPV infection, 9 had microwarts and 1 had condylomata acuminata. 86.4% of these were confirmed histologically. Among the sexually active women 69.1% had colposcopic evidence of HPV, 20.5% had microwarts and 4.5% had condylomata acuminata. 37 had neoplasia. 85.7% of Hpv cases were confirmed histologically, as were 8.0% of women without evidence of HPV. 77.1% of the 96 husbands whose wives were free of infection had HPV. Since many of the virgins, including 2 daughters of a woman with cervical cancer, had genital warts, HPV is probably transmitted by formites as well as by sexual contact.

A "formite", as I understand it is an object.

38 posted on 07/08/2011 7:19:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I can't see the Christian Right or any other block getting in bed with any candidate at this early stage of the primary season. When I am asked who I will vote for I say, “don't know, too early!”
39 posted on 07/08/2011 7:21:02 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver; impimp
Well I hate to break it to YOU but some parents actually have an excellent relationship with their girls. I did. And it infuriated my daughter when people like you said it wasn't true. She's now 26 and still gets hot under the collar when someone suggest otherwise.

If your relationship with your daughter/s isn't open and honest I'm very sorry for you but that doesn't mean the rest of us have the same kind of trials.

40 posted on 07/08/2011 7:23:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: xzins
I prefer Perry or Palin, neither of whom is running.

Yet.

I’m a social conservative. I’m looking for the candidate who can win, and I’m not convinced that Bachmann is that candidate.

I am convinced she is our worst candidate (other than Romney and the soon to be departed Gingrich), there are better ones that have declared already, and I would be surprised if neither Perry nor Palin jump in.

That said, if she were the nominee, I would vote for her.

I totally agree. I just hope it doesn't come to that.

I think the article is explaining why so many so cons are holding back, they are waiting for a better alternative than Bachmann. She has been great as a congresscritter, but congresscritters simply are bad candidates for a number of reasons.

41 posted on 07/08/2011 7:25:19 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ah yes, the ‘Christian Right’. I wonder why the ‘Athiest Left’ doesn’t have enthusiasm for Backmann.


42 posted on 07/08/2011 7:26:28 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: xzins

“I’m a social conservative. I’m looking for the candidate who can win, and I’m not convinced that Bachmann is that candidate.

That said, if she were the nominee, I would vote for her.

I prefer Perry or Palin, neither of whom is running.”

This pretty well sums up my position.

I would also throw Herman Cain in the category of a candidate I’m not convinced would win, but I would definitely vote for if he’s the nominee. Oh wait, I guess that makes me a racist too...


43 posted on 07/08/2011 7:27:03 AM PDT by lquist1
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To: Lakeshark

The last member of the House to win the presidency was James Garfield, a long, long time ago, and, iirc, he won because of his Civil War veteran status.

I’m sure there are reasons why House members do poorly, but I’d suspect it has to do with the relatively small size of House districts and the inability of House members to gather a significant human or financial base. I’d also guess that they will be viewed as having relatively little broad experience and near zero executive experience.

Those might be unfair evaluations, but that wouldn’t stop an opponent from using such an argument.


44 posted on 07/08/2011 7:31:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: lquist1; P-Marlowe; wagglebee

I agree about Cain, and I was a strong supporter of Ken Blackwell here in Ohio.

Cain has some excellent experience in business, finance, and media. His stumble over pro-life troubled me, and I’m still not sure because of it, where he stands. Until he convinces me he’s pro-life, he’s a non-starter for me.


45 posted on 07/08/2011 7:34:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
Gardasil is not what it is claiming to be.

Gardasil Important Questions and Answers

Is Gardasil a “cervical cancer vaccine”?

No. Gardasil has no effect on cervical cancer whatsoever.

Does Gardasil actually “protect your daughter’s future from cervical cancer and genital warts”?

No, it doesn’t.

Why not?

Gardasil offers SOME protection against SOME of the Types of HPV that have been linked to cervical cancer.

There are over 40 Types of HPV, and 15 of them have been linked to cervical cancer and/or genital warts. Gardasil has been developed to vaccinate against the 4 Types that have the highest correlation with cancer and genital warts.

However, unlike the smallpox vaccine, for example, Gardasil does not grant full immunity to those 4 Types of HPV. Additionally, in the studies offered to the FDA in Merck’s application for approval, data indicated that Gardasil MAY INCREASE your daughter’s risk of developing cervical disease if she already had one of the relevant strains of HPV at the time of vaccination (Appendix E, p13 & 25).

46 posted on 07/08/2011 7:35:17 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Awwwwwww....it's so sweet how TIME comes to a Conservative Republican's aid in her time of need.

Yo, TIME, why do you think Liberals are so hateful of Sarah Palin?

47 posted on 07/08/2011 7:37:38 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: xzins
My biggest problem with the vaccine is that I believe it was rushed by Merck to make profits.

It HAS NOT been properly tested and there is more than enough data to suggest that it is actually dangerous.

The fact remains that most HPV is sexually transmitted and while many girls are at risk here, many are not.

48 posted on 07/08/2011 7:38:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You post multiple pro-Perry threads here every day, so do you yourself have any connection to Perry, his administration, or his fledgling campaign?


49 posted on 07/08/2011 7:39:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: xzins
He actually won in a strangely divided manner, very fortunate to have eased in to the presidency in a fluke election that will likely never happen again. Unlike Bachmann he at least had some legislative achievements and was a major player in the House. Your evaluations are very fair ones, the main reasons congresscritters can't even win their party nomination let alone the presidency, and her resume is weak even for a congresscritter.

I like her as a congresscritter, but she's our weakest candidate for president.

50 posted on 07/08/2011 7:39:24 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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