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The Light That Failed. Washington's War on the Light Bulb will have Unintended Consequences
National Review ^ | 07/08/2011 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 07/08/2011 8:23:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

With its traffic circles and tree-lined squares, America’s capital sometimes resembles a magical, otherworldly place. Maybe that’s why so many who govern here think they can wave their legislative wands and unleash beauty — free of costs and complications.

Of course, reality rarely cooperates.

Consider Washington’s still-unfolding ban on Thomas Alva Edison’s incandescent light bulb. What the Wizard of Menlo Park, N.J., required 10,000 experiments to perfect, Brooks Brothers socialist George W. Bush needed just one signature to make anathema.

If the law is left unchallenged, Jan. 1, 2012, will bring stricter standards that Congress designed in 2007 to eliminate Edison’s invention and dragoon Americans into using more energy-efficient alternatives.

Courtesy of our federal masters, Americans are enduring a parade of unforeseen consequences — all because “the experts” want to extinguish one of this nation’s greatest contributions to humanity.

Those swirly bulbs that Washington hopes will replace incandescents are called compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs). They brighten slowly, function poorly with dimmer knobs, and emit light that many find unappealing. Even worse, according to EnergyStar.gov, each CFL contains 4 milligrams of toxic mercury. Given the Environmental Protection Agency’s “maximum contaminant level” of 0.002 milligrams per liter, an average CFL contains enough mercury to pollute 528 gallons of water — more than enough to fill ten typical 50-gallon residential water heaters.

As the EPA warns, “High exposures to inorganic mercury may result in damage to the gastrointestinal tract, the nervous system, and the kidneys.”

Breaking a CFL triggers a significant health hazard that requires a ten-step clean-up. Among other things, the EPA recommends “opening a window or door to the outdoor environment.” No problem . . . unless you occupy an apartment, hotel room, or office with sealed windows. Most modern skyscrapers lack operable windows. The same is true for many Capitol Hill offices.

“The irony should be lost on no one that many members of Congress who crafted this legislation lack the ability to vent the toxic vapors from these eco-friendly lights that they have foisted on us,” says Chicago real-estate developer Justin Berzon.

“Shut off the central forced air heating/air conditioning system,” EPA advises. Again, what if you break a CFL in an office tower? Shall the entire building freeze or roast while this mini–Superfund site gets sanitized?

“Continue to air out the room where the bulb was broken and leave the H&AC system shut off, as practical, for several hours,” EPA counsels. This might upset residents of Phoenix, where temperatures hit 105 degrees on Tuesday. Likewise, opening one’s windows in Minneapolis might be unappealing in January, when highs average 22 degrees.

“Compact fluorescent light bulbs are dangerous for our family, and dangerous twice over for our son Jonathan, age 11, who is severely autistic,” says Amy Ridenour, president of the National Center for Public Policy Research, at which I am a distinguished fellow. Ridenour adds:

Because of his disability, Jonathan doesn’t understand that he should be careful around light fixtures, so he breaks a bulb every few months. The EPA recommends a ten-step process for cleaning up a broken CFL bulb on carpeting, and two more steps each of the next few times that you vacuum, in order to get the mercury that the first 10 steps missed. But how can you be sure to get it all? If our autistic son broke three CFL bulbs a year in the family room over half a dozen years, even if we followed every recommended step a tedious, cumulative 180-plus times, would our family room ever be safe?

“Also,” Ridenour continues, “the last thing you do with severely autistic people is open windows. In the parlance, they tend to be ‘runners’ — as in, out the door or window and into traffic, or the woods, or the pool. We only would open a window about six inches and no more, so as to permit us to keep the boy.”

“If the environmentalists were sincere, they would object to CFLs because of the small amount of mercury in each of them,” says Myron Ebell, director of Freedom Action, a pro-market grassroots organization whose motto is “putting freedom on the offensive.” “They do object to minute amounts of mercury in airborne emissions from coal-fired power plants. The minute amounts of mercury in the air have trouble getting into anyone’s vital organs. However, the little bit of mercury from breaking a CFL bulb in your home could end up inside of you. I think the environmentalists are being very inconsistent.”

Old CFLs should be disposed of properly at recycling centers. Dream on. Most consumers will toss them in the trash with their tea bags. Mercury will accumulate in America’s landfills, possibly with disastrous results.

For all the energy it has invested in erasing Edison’s creation, Washington ultimately may swap the old “problem” of energy-inefficient incandescent bulbs for the new problem of mercury-oozing CFLs.

Beyond mercury, CFLs present other health risks. They sometimes flicker, which can cause eye strain, headaches, and epileptic seizures. Some people with light-sensitive skin reportedly have suffered eczema-like symptoms thanks to CFLs.

As Washington has hammered incandescents, some users have gravitated toward light-emitting diodes. While LEDs pose none of CFLs’ health risks, they present their own problems.

Shifting from Edison bulbs to LEDs can save cities and states money. Changing streetlights to LEDs has shrunk Wisconsin’s power bill by $750,000 annually, the Associated Press’s Dinesh Ramde reported in December 2009.

But “their great advantage is also their drawback,” Ramde wrote. “They do not waste energy by producing heat.” This means that the snow and ice that normally melt on contact with a hot, Edison-style streetlight or traffic signal instead coat LED fixtures. Street lights get whited out, “a problem blamed for dozens of accidents and at least one death,” Ramde explained.

This problem caused Duane Kassens, a Wisconsin driver, to get into a fender-bender. “The police officer told me the new lights weren’t melting the snow,” Kassens said. “How is that safe?”

In April 2009, Illinois officials say, motorist Lisa Richter began a left turn. Because of snow obstruction, an oncoming driver who could not see an LED-driven streetlight smashed into Richter, killing her at age 34.

“Would the accident have occurred if the lights had been clear?” Oswego police detective Rob Sherwood told the AP. “I would be willing to bet not.”

Several jurisdictions have addressed this challenge by retrofitting street lights with heating elements, such as those for airport runway lights. This burns more energy — reducing the LEDs’ chief benefit.

CFLs’ decreased warmth, meanwhile, may hike heating bills. Canada’s CBC News observed in March 2009 that “older incandescent bulbs do more than just light our homes. During the long winter months, they also generate heat.” CFLs, conversely, “produce minimal heat, so the loss has to be made up by fossil-fuel burning gas, oil, or wood to heat your home.” So CFLs’ power savings sometimes must wane to keep things warm.

Although CFLs and LEDs supposedly save money in the long run, they cost much more up front. While Lowes.com charges 93 cents for a 100-watt incandescent bulb, equivalent CFLs are $4.49. Meanwhile, a 95-watt-equivalent LED bulb runs a staggering $69.98. If Edison bulbs vanish, does Washington really expect consumers to pay nearly $70 for an LED version of the still-reliable 100-watt incandescent?

While employment tops America’s agenda, Washington’s war on the Edison bulb has already killed jobs. Last September, General Electric (a company founded by Edison) padlocked its last U.S. incandescent-bulb factory. “A variety of energy regulations will soon make the familiar lighting products produced at the Winchester [Virginia] Plant obsolete,” GE announced last year. Thus, 200 Americans lost their jobs, which paid some $30 per hour. In October 2008, GE shuttered six Ohio incandescent plants, leaving 425 workers in the dark. Meanwhile, labor-intensive CFL production is thriving . . . in China.

The Republican House may vote this month to repeal the Edison-bulb ban. Outstanding! This wicked law cannot be scrapped soon enough.

“If the American people needed another example of why it is time to roll back the hyper-regulation of the past four years, this is it,” said Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R., Tenn.), as she and Republican congressmen Joe Barton and Michael Burgess of Texas co-introduced legislation to overturn the bulb restrictions:

Washington banned a perfectly good product and fired hard working Americans based on little more than their own whim and the silly notion that they know better than the American consumer. Now, hundreds more Americans are looking for work while assembly lines in China are churning out fluorescent bulbs for the US market. Tell me how that makes any sense at all.

Ultimately, this issue involves losing freedom. Washington could have declared the LP wasteful in the 1970s. After all, vinyl albums required lots of petroleum, large pieces of cardboard for record sleeves, and abundant energy to manufacture and transport such a hefty product. Congress could have banned the LP and prematurely steered music lovers toward eight-track tapes.

Suddenly, Sony and Philips developed the compact disc. CDs largely superseded LPs, only to yield lately to iTunes and (maddeningly) digital music theft. Nonetheless, a handful of vinyl diehards still exercise their freedom of choice and purchase brand-new LPs and even 45 RPM recordings marketed by specialty labels and purist music producers.

The Edison bulb likewise should compete with CFLs, LEDs, halogens, candles, and other current and future technologies. If the incandescent survives, splendid. If it eventually dies a natural death, or simply goes the way of the kerosene lamp (which remains barely available for the nostalgic), so be it.

However, Washington should not smother Edison’s bulb with a pillow, especially since incandescents outsold CFLs last year by three-to-one.

Thomas Alva Edison heroically expanded choices for American citizens. Washington robs choices from Americans — except for abortion. What a long shadow this frightful town casts across the nation.

— New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cfl; incandescent; lightbulb; mercury

1 posted on 07/08/2011 8:23:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Smash CFLs on every street in America until congress gets it.

Go dark. No CFLs. Candles first.

Boo environ--mentalists

2 posted on 07/08/2011 8:30:06 AM PDT by Rapscallion
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To: SeekAndFind
Smash CFLs on every street in America until congress gets it.

Go dark. No CFLs. Candles first.

Boo environ--mentalists

3 posted on 07/08/2011 8:30:09 AM PDT by Rapscallion
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To: SeekAndFind

http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/06/texas-lawmakers-pass-bill-to-get-around-federal-light-bulb-law/


4 posted on 07/08/2011 8:30:18 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Rapscallion

RE: Smash CFLs on every street in America until congress gets it.

Who’s gonna clean up the toxic mercury after they get smashed?


5 posted on 07/08/2011 8:31:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is going to sound funny but, it will end up being very costly. I got baby chicks again this summer. They need a warming lamp for 4-5 weeks. In the winter I usually keep one or two 100watt light bulbs in the coop for really frigid days just to keep the hens from getting frost bitten on their combs and wattles. I only have 22 chicks right now. But, farmers that raise chickens for meat and eggs can have 100’s of chickens and raise 100’s more baby chicks. So what in the sam hill are they suppose to do? Those curly light bulbs are useless and if they have to actually pay to keep the chicks warm until their adult feathers come in, it’s going to be way costlier than just using a heat lamp.


6 posted on 07/08/2011 8:34:31 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: SeekAndFind

China makes these bulbs for us because Washington’s restrictions on manufacturing with mercury are so bad that you can’t make the bulbs here.

Due to the wisdom of Congress, mercury is so toxic that we are forced to import China’s mercury into our homes by law.


7 posted on 07/08/2011 8:35:46 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Rapscallion

Good idea. Also buy up regular light bulbs. That’s what I’ve been doing.


8 posted on 07/08/2011 8:37:58 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Congress, of course.


9 posted on 07/08/2011 8:39:09 AM PDT by Rapscallion
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To: Rapscallion

Let Congress clean up the mess they create.


10 posted on 07/08/2011 8:40:40 AM PDT by Rapscallion
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To: SeekAndFind; theothercheek; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; GonzoGOP; AuH2ORepublican; randita; EDINVA; ...

Why on earth doesn’t the GOP leadership in the House get with this and talk up the repeal of the ban on the incandescent bulb? I’ve never heard anyone in Congress mention this publicly, neither in last year’s campaign nor since.


11 posted on 07/08/2011 8:41:32 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: MsLady

Lay in a good supply of Edison light bulbs. That’s what I’ve done.


12 posted on 07/08/2011 8:42:05 AM PDT by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Death By Liberalism” by J. R. Dunn expands this theme beyond light bulbs.


13 posted on 07/08/2011 8:45:10 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah yes, The Light That Failed, Ronald Coleman’s finest performance. Great story by Kipling and great directing by William Wellman. Throw in the delicate and fierce Ida Lupino and you’ve got a picture!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=X56k-RVUbQI


14 posted on 07/08/2011 8:48:29 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: davisfh

Me too, buy two or three packages every month.


15 posted on 07/08/2011 8:51:35 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Rapscallion

***Smash CFLs on every street in America until congress gets it.***

If 10,000 people rushed the capitol and hurled one cfl bulb each onto the steps, that would get their attention!


16 posted on 07/08/2011 9:00:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: MsLady

We have enough to last the next twenty years or so.


17 posted on 07/08/2011 9:03:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Yuleeyahoo
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To: SeekAndFind

Congress has waited entirely too long to get this law revolked. Unfortunately the Repubs put the Republican CongressCritter who sponsored the original banning legisaltion as the committee chairman. He has been dragging his feet, while pouring out pious plattitudes of “we are researching the topic.”


18 posted on 07/08/2011 9:14:33 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Mrs. Yuleeyahoo

That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out, how many we need for the next even 10 years or so.


19 posted on 07/08/2011 9:15:58 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady
"But, farmers that raise chickens for meat and eggs can have 100’s of chickens and raise 100’s more baby chicks. So what in the sam hill are they suppose to do? Those curly light bulbs are useless and if they have to actually pay to keep the chicks warm until their adult feathers come in, it’s going to be way costlier than just using a heat lamp."

NO large scale chicken operation uses incandescant lamps to "brood" baby chicks. They use "brooders", which are electrically heated at lower temperatures without the efficiency loss of emitting light.

20 posted on 07/08/2011 9:17:53 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: All

There was a light bulb factory in the US that went out of business due to this law. But I can not recall the name of the company. I had bookmarked the story but did so on my last PC. Anyone remember the company name?


21 posted on 07/08/2011 9:18:37 AM PDT by warsaw44
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To: MsLady

http://www.poultrymansupply.com/2007Brooders.htm


22 posted on 07/08/2011 9:20:12 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I just heard somebody (maybe Debra Saunders on Dennis Miller?)
say she and hubby avoided Greece, and hit Iceland.

I think she said the the people showed their disgust with parliament
by throwing kitchen utensils while she was there.

Here, knives and forks might be a problem, but throwing
nutcrackers and basters at Congress' steps might get their attention.

Mercury vapor might make its way to the Potomac, and then to the
Chesapeake, and I really like Blue crabs and oysters...

23 posted on 07/08/2011 9:22:17 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Wonder Warthog

A heat lamp with a red bulb and a wooden coop my hubby built from scrap is way cheaper...lol


24 posted on 07/08/2011 9:25:28 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: warsaw44

The factory was owned by General Electric and located in Winchester, Virginia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090706933.html

Even if Congress reverses itself and permits traditional light bulbs, I can’t believe GE would reopen the factory. Most likely the manufacturing equipment has already been shipped to another country or scrapped.


25 posted on 07/08/2011 9:32:06 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There will come a time when we’ll be able to tell which way a person votes by what kind of light bulb they have.


26 posted on 07/08/2011 9:34:53 AM PDT by SoCal SoCon (Yesterday Argentina, Today Greece, Tomorrow America)
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To: Rapscallion

I use the CFL bulbs because they do last longer, and I have them in chandeliers hanging from 14 foot ceilings, requiring me to drag out an eight foot step ladder when I need to change a bulb, but, when some of them are burning out, they emit a horrible odor. It can’t be healthy.


27 posted on 07/08/2011 9:46:37 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: justiceseeker93

“Why on earth doesn’t the GOP leadership in the House get with this and talk up the repeal of the ban on the incandescent bulb? I’ve never heard anyone in Congress mention this publicly, neither in last year’s campaign nor since.”

GOP isn’t called the stupid party for nothing.


28 posted on 07/08/2011 9:48:18 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: SeekAndFind
Smash one on the street then call the EPA as a concerned citizen to come clean it up.
Repeat as necessary.

When they stop coming then sue them as a concerned citizen.

29 posted on 07/08/2011 10:08:12 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: MsLady

My buddy has this heating element that screws right into a lightbulb socket. i looks like a copper cylinder.
He uses it to keep seedlings alive.
Don’t know where he got it though.


30 posted on 07/08/2011 10:12:54 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: SeekAndFind
It reveals quite a bit about the environmental movement that a market solution that was taking place quite nicely needed to be stepped around in favor of outright government intervention. I've replaced nearly all of my incandescents because it made economic sense to do so, but now for the corner cases - a well-house that needs to be heated just a little in the wintertime, for one - the sensible alternative has been made unavailable by fiat because the Little People weren't doing the Right Thing fast enough to suit the Greens.

I complained to this to an otherwise reasonably intelligent liberal friend who helpfully told me that I could still purchase dedicated heat lamps costing many times as much that use more energy and put out too much heat. That may be a lot of things, but a save-the-planet solution it is not.

In the meantime, mercury-filled CFL's are hitting the landfills because that's what people do with broken light bulbs, and yes, there's a law against it. Maybe, just maybe the government isn't the solution here. Ya think?

31 posted on 07/08/2011 10:28:46 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

“This problem caused Duane Kassens, a Wisconsin driver, to get into a fender-bender. “The police officer told me the new lights weren’t melting the snow,” Kassens said. “How is that safe?””

“Would the accident have occurred if the lights had been clear?” Oswego police detective Rob Sherwood told the AP. “I would be willing to bet not.”

This is probably true, but if a person cannot see the light on a traffic signal, aren’t they supposed to stop and look both ways before proceeding instead of barreling through at full speed? That’s what it says in the State traffic book I had to study recently to renew my license.


32 posted on 07/08/2011 10:32:04 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: SeekAndFind; justiceseeker93; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; Fantasywriter; ..
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Consider Washington’s still-unfolding ban on Thomas Alva Edison’s incandescent light bulb. What the Wizard of Menlo Park, N.J., required 10,000 experiments to perfect, Brooks Brothers socialist George W. Bush needed just one signature to make anathema.

If the law is left unchallenged, Jan. 1, 2012, will bring stricter standards that Congress designed in 2007 to eliminate Edison’s invention and dragoon Americans into using more energy-efficient alternatives.

Courtesy of our federal masters, Americans are enduring a parade of unforeseen consequences — all because “the experts” want to extinguish one of this nation’s greatest contributions to humanity.

(See tagline.)

33 posted on 07/08/2011 10:37:23 AM PDT by LucyT ("Genius is one percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration"...Thomas Edison)
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To: SeekAndFind

the guy hanging out on the corner in a seedy part of town selling weed and stamp bags of heroin will be adding cigarettes and light bulbs to his inventory


34 posted on 07/08/2011 10:44:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

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TEXAS’ GOVERNOR PERRY ISSUES HUSSEIN OBAMA A BIG FUBO:

“Texas to Allow Regular Incandescent Bulbs”
Reports are the governor will sign Bill HB2510 by June 19th.
Bill HB2510 allows for the manufacture and sale of incandescent light bulbs otherwise banned in federal legislation of 2007, applicable from 1 January 2012 onwards.
The legality, at least in the way the proposed law is framed, has apparently been cleared with the US Attorney General’s office.
The Bill has already passed in both House and Senate with overwhelming support.
While Texas has no current manufacture, relevant parties are being invited to restart it.

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35 posted on 07/08/2011 10:50:03 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

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TEXAS’ GOVERNOR PERRY ISSUES HUSSEIN OBAMA A BIG FUBO:

“Texas to Allow Regular Incandescent Bulbs”
Reports are the governor will sign Bill HB2510 by June 19th.
Bill HB2510 allows for the manufacture and sale of incandescent light bulbs otherwise banned in federal legislation of 2007, applicable from 1 January 2012 onwards.
The legality, at least in the way the proposed law is framed, has apparently been cleared with the US Attorney General’s office.
The Bill has already passed in both House and Senate with overwhelming support.
While Texas has no current manufacture, relevant parties are being invited to restart it.

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36 posted on 07/08/2011 10:51:28 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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37 posted on 07/08/2011 11:10:16 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a shovel ready (union) job.


38 posted on 07/08/2011 11:34:13 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: SeekAndFind
I personally no get 60 watt equivalent LEDs for $30 and 100 watt equivaled LEDs for $45.
I like the 100 watt ones. My apartment is now brighter and it saves on electricity. However, I choose these expensive light bulbs because they last a long time (I hate changing bulbs, especially in light fixtures) and save money in the long run. I can't stand fluorescent. When combined with a computer screen they exacerbate migraines.
39 posted on 07/08/2011 2:19:18 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs
“High exposures to inorganic mercury may result in damage to the gastrointestinal tract, the nervous system, and the kidneys.”

Yeah, but liberals feel good about themselves shoving these things down our throats - and in the end, isn't that all that matters? /s

40 posted on 07/08/2011 2:22:15 PM PDT by GOPJ (Black flash mobs: street level reflection of elite liberal hatred for middle class America..)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am among the lucky few who are able to use CFLs without problems or complaints.
I envy those who can afford to buy 60 & 100W LEDs.

My theoritical 15% energy use for lighting has been reduced to less than 4%.

Whatever happened to freddom of choice?

41 posted on 07/08/2011 2:33:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’d better stock up soon: 100 watt incandescent light bulbs have been illegal to manufacture since 1/1/11. If your store does not have them in stock, you are SOL.


42 posted on 07/08/2011 2:41:04 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: MsLady

me too.

Can you imagine what the black market on incandescents will be like. And all that lost sales tax.


43 posted on 07/08/2011 2:51:18 PM PDT by dervish (women candidates, the last frontier)
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To: dervish

No I can not. But, I bet there will be one.


44 posted on 07/08/2011 3:51:36 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady
"A heat lamp with a red bulb and a wooden coop my hubby built from scrap is way cheaper...lol"

Sure is, but commercial chicken operations operate on a vastly different scale these days. Back in the 1950's my dad went in for "chicken farming" for a while, and we had a few hundred birds (raising chicks to friers), and thought it was a "large scale" operation. Nowadays, a "chicken farm" will have tens of thousands of birds in multiple specially designed "chicken houses". The old story of "get big or get out".

45 posted on 07/08/2011 4:30:43 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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