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'Horrible Bosses,' 'Bad Teacher': Why we love 'bad' and bad movies
csmonitor.com ^ | 9 July 2011 | Gloria Goodale

Posted on 07/09/2011 11:46:56 AM PDT by smokingfrog

When it comes to movies, let’s just call this the summer of “bad.”

It’s not just grown-ups behaving badly – though there is plenty of that. From Jennifer Aniston as a rapacious dentist in “Horrible Bosses,” which opens Friday, to Cameron Diaz as every student’s nightmare in “Bad Teacher,” to the projectile body functions in “Bridesmaids” and “Hangover 2,” multiplexes are awash in R-rated adult comedy.

But this is also a record summer for just plain bad movies – doing very well.

Roundly panned films such as “Transformers: Dark of the Moon,” “Green Lantern,” and “Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides” are breaking box office records and spawning sequels at the same time they all have miserable rankings on such popular review sites as rottentomatoes.com.

As Hollywood.com box office expert Paul Dergarabedian puts it, “Fewer tomatoes, more green than ever this summer.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bad; hollywood; movies; summer
There doesn't seem to be very many good movies this summer.
1 posted on 07/09/2011 11:47:05 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Heard “Zookeeper” was the worst.


2 posted on 07/09/2011 12:00:37 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

Hollywood has no new ideas...my proof; a remake of Footloose with the names and script nearly identical to the first. Pathetic.


3 posted on 07/09/2011 12:23:17 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (It starts here! It starts now! Mr. President, game on!)
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To: smokingfrog
I hope this one turns out as good as the book (Freaky Deaky):

Elmore Leonard film shooting in Detroit.

4 posted on 07/09/2011 12:29:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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To: smokingfrog

just took the kids to see super 8 the other day, i liked it, steven spielberg and jj adams from lost it was like close encounters meets the goonies


5 posted on 07/09/2011 12:31:49 PM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: smokingfrog
There is very little of anything that I care for right now. I'm kind of bitter at the whole damn Hollywood entertainment industry doing it's best to poo on our political spectrum and culture. Where I work, Tom Hanks was on for his latest flap (Glad it tanked) and going on about Obama. Then and an hour later, some yahoo is talking about how he messed his pants when he met Bill Clinton.

As much as I shouldn't, I LOVE the beginning of the movie ‘Escape From LA’ when the whole damn city brakes off from the rest of the country and is used as a prison. Good libertarian movie btw.

6 posted on 07/09/2011 12:35:00 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: smokingfrog

I only wish they woulda made more WWII movies from 1946-1975. My TV is constantly on the prowl for WWII movies. :)


7 posted on 07/09/2011 12:36:17 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: nerdwithagun

I liked Escape from New York more than the LA version. But I did like it when Stacey Keach(IIRC) Tells Snake Plissken: “You KNOW the US is a NON-smoking country!” Plissken says: “The land of the free...” and then later shuts down the entire power grid and lights up a cigarette as he walks away. Loved it! And Kurt Russell is right-leaning in real life, too.


8 posted on 07/09/2011 12:44:34 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: smokingfrog

The only movie I have watched this year is “Battle: Los Angeles.” Otherwise, I just watch movies from my Blu-ray disc collection. Today I am watching “The Patriot.”


9 posted on 07/09/2011 1:03:44 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: smokingfrog
Transformers was not "roundly panned." The critics didn't like it; so what? They don't get Westerns, War Movies, Sci-Fi, Actioners (for the most part) or guy films in general. It's not they they don't like them, of course they don't, but the bigger problem is that they don't even understand them at all.

Shane: The greatest Western of all time? Seriously? Nobody who actually likes Westerns thinks that, but that's the critics' choice.

2001: A Space Odyssey:? No plot, no pacing, no acting and a completely incomprehensible ending. Needless to say, the critics adored it.

The Day The Earth Stood Still: A great science fiction movie? The original is AWFUL and the remake was even worse. It's thinly veiled commie propaganda with a kewl robot who actually appears in all of about 90 seconds of the film. Bilge. The critics thought it was great.

The Longest Day: Terrible movie, according to the critics. Their choice: Full Metal Jacket. Oh PUH-LEASE give me a small break. The former is based on actual vignettes researched by Cornelius Ryan. The latter is -- like most of Stanley Kubrick's dreck -- completely unwatchable.

The audience tomatometer for Transformers is 90%. That is a huge number, and it tells you that if you like Actioners, you're almost certain to enjoy the film, regardless of what the critics say. I haven't seen it, but based on audience reaction -- not critical acclaim -- I'll go.

10 posted on 07/09/2011 1:28:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: FredZarguna

I totally agree.


11 posted on 07/09/2011 1:32:32 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: FredZarguna

You can’t pretend to like Sci-Fi and then diss both The Day The Earth Stood Still and 2001: A Space Odyssey.


12 posted on 07/09/2011 1:36:30 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: smokingfrog; Perdogg; EveningStar; Borges; Mr. K; Blondie; altura; mylife; Mama_Bear; Jack Deth; ...

Cinema

Post here or FR Mail DollyCali or Perdogg
to be added or dropped from this ping list.



13 posted on 07/09/2011 1:37:12 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: smokingfrog

I didn’t think Green Lantern was all that bad... but then, I saw it for free.


14 posted on 07/09/2011 1:43:04 PM PDT by hattend (Let's all meet Sarah at her last bus stop -- 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Jan 2013)
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To: DollyCali

My kids saw “Green Lantern” and “Monte Carlo” earlier this week. They said both were “Okay,” which doesn’t lead me to want to spend more money in the theater any time soon.

I was sitting in the lobby reading a book, and it seemed like they spent half the time going to the bathroom or the snack bar, anyway. Might as well stay home.


15 posted on 07/09/2011 1:43:10 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is a revolution, damn it! We're going to have to offend somebody!" ~ John Adams)
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To: FredZarguna

I loved the original “The Day The Earth Stood Still,” other than that I agree with your comments.


16 posted on 07/09/2011 1:49:14 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: FredZarguna

Except for R Lee Ermey as the DI....


17 posted on 07/09/2011 1:50:15 PM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: SVTCobra03
The only movie I have watched this year is “Battle: Los Angeles.” Otherwise, I just watch movies from my Blu-ray disc collection. Today I am watching “The Patriot.”

Please tell me it is the Mel Gibson Revolutionary War one, and not the Eco weenie Steven Segal one.

18 posted on 07/09/2011 1:53:31 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Melas
You can’t pretend to like Sci-Fi and then diss both The Day The Earth Stood Still and 2001: A Space Odyssey.

The Days the Earth Stood Still were preachy and boring. 2001 was pretty on the wide screen but pointless and boring. They should be avoided unless one is in need of sleep.

19 posted on 07/09/2011 2:07:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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To: onedoug
Yeah, he almost makes it watchable. Now, if he'd pulled first in the latrine, I might be able to stomach it.
20 posted on 07/09/2011 2:11:29 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Melas

***You can’t pretend to like Sci-Fi and then diss both The Day The Earth Stood Still and 2001: A Space Odyssey.****

I saw them both and didn’t care for them. My idea of Sifi movies is IT CAME FROM BENEATH THE SEA and THE BEAST FROM 20,OOO PHATOMS. Good 1950s is great! Bad sifi is really bad.

Then there is always THE PHANTOM EMPIRE. Gene Autry fights aliens from the underworld.


21 posted on 07/09/2011 2:12:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: FredZarguna

Full Metal Jacket rocks! At least until they go to Vietnam, then I couldn’t care less. Funny that the “war” part of the movie is boring, and the training part is riveting. I totally agree about 2001, WTF was that last 15 minute psychodelic ride all about, and the floating fetus? The special effects are amazing for 1969 technology, though.


22 posted on 07/09/2011 2:15:08 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Then there is always THE PHANTOM EMPIRE. Gene Autry fights aliens from the underworld.

Uh...yeah...I guess there is that.

23 posted on 07/09/2011 2:31:23 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
I actually enjoyed both films in their original openings. The reason was that there was very little technically well crafted Science Fiction entertainment outside of books in those days, and because, well, I was a kid (at least for The Day The Earth Stood Still.)

Revisiting them now, it's quite clear that they don't hold up. The smarmy, smug, superior attitude of Michael Rennie is perfectly acted to convey the smarmy, smug, superior attitude of the writers who apparently don't think the defense of liberty is worth dying -- or even living -- for. Sorry, but the message of the film is clear: the ideological struggle between totalitarianism and freedom is a "petty squabble" to those of us of advanced races (progressive douchebags, wherever in the universe they may be.)

As for 2001, just not a good film. With today's special effects as a backdrop, you go back to it and ask yourself, beyond a nicely done spaceship and a Frankenstein theme that's been done to death what actually is there in this film? Answer: nothing. Arthur C. Clark never impressed me, but the book is actually a good bit better than the movie, which Kubrick ruined because he refused to use the actual ending. So we get this giant embryo out in space getting ready to do ... nothing. In the book at least he averts a nuclear war. Again, nothing but Cold War liberal cliches, but at least he does something. In Kubrick's version we get the usual 60's LSD treatment and the astronaut comes out sucking his thumb. We must agree, I fear, to disagree. 2001 aint makin' my list.

And please don't tell me I "pretend" to like Sci-Fi just because my tastes have matured since adolescence. It also doesn't change my original point: the critics did not love these films because they were science fiction. They loved them because of their liberal themes or their liberal directors, and in spite of them being science fiction. Why do you think Philip K. Dick is Hollywood's favorite Sci-Fi writer?

24 posted on 07/09/2011 2:33:35 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Melas
Then there is always THE PHANTOM EMPIRE. Gene Autry fights aliens from the underworld.

This month's upcoming "Cowboys and Aliens" starring uber-lefties Daniel Craig and Olivia Wilde should be interesting, at least from the perspective of casting and plot/message/propaganda.

The trailers tell almost nothing whether the movie will simply aim to entertain, or presume to preach. The utter incongruity of Craig as a cowboy, however, does not bode well.

25 posted on 07/09/2011 2:39:10 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Melas; FredZarguna

re: “Cowboys and Aliens” - I forgot to include lefty Harrison Ford with the cast. The prospect for some sort of preachy plot thickens.

FredZ, regarding “The Day The Earth Stood Still”, when I was younger I liked both it and “Forbidden Planet”, and have both in my movie collection. Nowadays, however, the only one I ever have the urge to re-watch is the latter. It still holds up, at least for me. (Anne Francis might have something to do what that, as well... /g)


26 posted on 07/09/2011 2:54:15 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: smokingfrog

Transformers 3 is a good movie. It’s theme to me seemed to be corrupted hope.

*spoiler alert*

Optimus and the autobots had decided that there was no hope of Cybertron ever being reached or livable again, and that their best hope was with humanity and aiding human freedom.

Megatron and the decepticons hoped to restore cybertron, where they claim all the robots were gods despite the fact that their war destroyed it. Their hope was based upon enslaving the human race to restore it.

A lot like Obama and the Democrats would enslave America pursuing a dream that can not possibly be.


27 posted on 07/09/2011 2:55:39 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in battle than it is to live as a slave.)
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To: smokingfrog

Even Pixar finally put out a clunker.


28 posted on 07/09/2011 2:56:08 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: smokingfrog

I always resent the “we love bad movies” types...who is “we”?

The ones who still go to films regularly are teenagers, mainly boys, who think these are funny. The rest of us watch at home...when there are no good movies to see, we get out of the habit of going to films at all.


29 posted on 07/09/2011 3:02:44 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: FredZarguna

I can’t agree. I think TDTESS holds up remarkably well, and it’s well before my time. I was barely a teen when Star Wars debuted. The remake however, went way South of awful.

I can accept Kubrick’s ending in much the same way that I accepted his ending for A Clockwork Orange. Different from the books certainly, but I found both to be cinematically sound. The same could be said for Planet of the Apes. Boulle’s ending was changed, but again, I think the director’s ending worked better on film, while the author’s ending worked better in print.

No wonder we don’t see eye to eye as you don’t care for Phillip K. Dick. The Man in the High Castle was truly a masterpiece if I have ever read one. And...C’mon, Do Android’s Dream of Electric Sheep was not only great in print, but the film adaption—Blade Runner rises to such a level that it can only be called iconic in the sci-fi genre.

I’m curious. Now that I know what you don’t like. What science fiction do you like?


30 posted on 07/09/2011 3:13:20 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: LadyDoc

I can’t agree with you there. My wife and I go to the movies regularly, and we’re rarely surrounded by an audience of teens. Thor, is the only recent exception that I can think of. The theater is usually filled with adults.


31 posted on 07/09/2011 3:17:28 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
My idea of Sifi movies is IT CAME FROM BENEATH THE SEA and THE BEAST FROM 20,OOO FATHOMS. Good 1950s is great! Bad sifi is really bad.

I'm a pretty big scifi fan and have to say most of the newest movies don't measure up. It's my theory that CGI has contributed greatly to the slide...

Back in the 50's special effects were difficult to get right and expensive to produce, so a wise director focused on old-fashioned concepts like compelling characters, conflict, and plot development. The monster was obviously a stuntman in a rubber suit, so you didn't show him until you had to - this was called SUSPENSE.

Nowadays you can create realistic aliens using a computer. You can blow up a whole city, or plunge an ax into a teenager's brain flawlessly, or squash him like a bug under a 100-foot robot's heel. Maybe this is what the public really wants to see, but IMHO the action sequences take over the whole movie, and there's little need for talented writers/actors anymore.

I like a good shoot-em-up action movie as much as the next guy, but these movies don't wear well. There's a whole crop of movies out there that are only worth seeing ONCE (if at all).

32 posted on 07/09/2011 3:24:08 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: FredZarguna

For a side of Philip K Dick most don’t know, find his short story “The Pre-Persons”. That one will never ever be a movie.


33 posted on 07/09/2011 3:24:11 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I have read everything that PKD ever published. The Pre-Persons is excellent, and so are many of his other stories, frequently in spite of his ideology.
34 posted on 07/09/2011 3:28:37 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: FredZarguna

He certainly had a wider range of stories and ideas than many SF writs and was hard to categorize. It’s amusing to me that Hollywood pick and chooses from his stories to make movies they can stomach.

He is by no means my favorite but I do acknowledge his skill!

And I think The Day The Earth Stood Still and 2001 are awful but I don’t find most SF movies much better I love space opera and there just aren’t any good movies like that (other than, say, the original Star Wars)


35 posted on 07/09/2011 3:33:39 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Sporke

Kellys Heroes is on tonite at eight. EST


36 posted on 07/09/2011 3:36:50 PM PDT by freedomtrail (The Fourth Seal has been opened. Three more to go.)
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To: FredZarguna; JenB
Thanks for pointing me to "The Pre-Persons." A disturbing story, but the truth must be confronted. In my neighborhood there are ads for an abortion clinic (seen on bus benches and public transit) and yet there are also stores selling goods for expectant mothers and infants. Where does one draw the line?
37 posted on 07/09/2011 3:36:54 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: JenB

I’ve read it. Although I know he was intentionally “over the top” to make a point, it just struck me as absurd. For those who haven’t read it, the whole thing revolves around abortion being legal until the soul enters the body which is when the mind grasps mathematical concepts beyond simple arithmetic. It should also be noted that it was written as he was experiencing a severe mental breakdown.


38 posted on 07/09/2011 3:38:31 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
I can accept Kubrick’s ending in much the same way that I accepted his ending for A Clockwork Orange.

Again, a Kubrick treatment that is decidedly inferior to the book. The film is salvageable because the original work was so good, again, in spite of the director.

No wonder we don’t see eye to eye as you don’t care for Phillip K. Dick.

You were inattentive: I did not say I didn't care for PKD, I asked why do you think he's Hollywood's favorite science fiction writer? I actually have read everything by PKD. Some of it -- as you correctly point out -- is quite good. Some of it is really rather awful. A lot of work before he went off his rocker for the first time is more or less boilerplate pulp sci-fi; but even in that there are occasional glimpses that he would eventually be a very creative, enjoyable, but NOT technically gifted, writer.

I don't actually "like" anyone universally in Sci-Fi. Personally I have not in the 45+ years I've been reading Sci-Fi actually found anybody whose work is always good, as say, I find Cormac McCarthy, or Faulkner, Borges, Dostoyevsky or Nabokov to be. But I "mostly" like in rough order, Heinlein, Van Vogt, J.G. Ballard, Silverberg, H Ellison, Frank Herbert (especially the short stories, which most people don't know of), Asimov, Vinge, Cherryh, Sturgeon, Joe Halderman, Jerry Pournelle, Zalazny and Niven. Don't care at all for quite a few of the big names like LeGuin (have read everything trying to see why people like her -- just hideous and a complete waste of time), PJ Farmer, H Harrison, or Ray Bradbury (never connected with RB at all.)

39 posted on 07/09/2011 3:54:35 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Melas

In my ordering, Heinlein is probably my favorite, and down from there to Niven.


40 posted on 07/09/2011 3:59:59 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: JenB
I just love PK Dick. When you talk about Hollywood picking and choosing are you talking about aesthetically/grossout wise or politically? Cause Minority Report comes across to me like a libertarian manifesto. Then of course maybe that's cause I'm not a moron like Hollywierd types. And aside from casting that nitwit Ben Affleck, I really liked Paycheck.

The story you're talking about, I don't believe I've read, but I looked it up and the plot synopsis is so familiar I'm sure I've read it or heard it before somewhere. Have to go find the story itself and read it.

41 posted on 07/09/2011 5:32:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Melas
My wife and I go to the movies regularly, and we’re rarely surrounded by an audience of teens. Thor, is the only recent exception that I can think of.

What was your opinion of Thor? It's playing at the local $3 theater.

42 posted on 07/11/2011 5:35:22 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Underwhelming. Possible spoiler:

Thor spends way too much time in the movie being stripped of all power. IMHO, it kind of ruined it.


43 posted on 07/11/2011 2:21:16 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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