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14th Admendment...I Have NO Doubt Obama Will "Invoke It"
7-9-11 | Self

Posted on 07/09/2011 4:42:15 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich

I cringe at the thought, mostly because it seems I'm caught inside a spy novel or a horror movie, walking upstairs with the audience yelling, "don't go up there, fool!"...no, I keep walking and climbing.

I am the American public and I'm being held at gunpoint by a president who is a communist/fascist dictator and hates this country with a passion we can't even imagine the depth. Our vanguard? Where are they, who are they? Oh, don't worry, it's folks like Chuck Grassley who is known to say lately that he just realized the 14th admendment gives Obama the ability to raise the debt ceiling to allow us to keep paying on the debt...it doesn't matter that Rush explained in the past two days there is no way we can STOP paying on it and there is no need to "raise it". Are our senators and reps so stupid as to not know this or are the vanguards truly linguini-spined deal makers with the enemy?

Where are our freshman, newly-elected folks? Have they been effectively muzzled or "belt-lined"? I think you know what I mean.

My big question to everyone in Freepland is, what will the citizenry do WHEN Obama "invokes the 14th admendment"? I predict Bray will write about it on Sunday's talk show line up. I predict trial balloons will be uncorked in unison by the MSM and their willing accomplices - oh, wait, I mean the congress who are the commie guests on the shows and their willing acomplices in the MSM will repeat in unison - that the 14th admendment likely gives Obama that authority. Is there really anyone stupid or naive enough to NOT think he'll do this? Look what he's done with the EPA so far...hear from SCOTUS lately...crickets...we have a fascist dictatorship, folks...GM, GE, all poker buddies with Obama.


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KEYWORDS: constitution; grassley; obama
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To: lacrew

Exactly.

I don’t think he can use the 14th to increase debt. Only Congress can do that.


21 posted on 07/09/2011 5:16:15 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Texas Fossil; All
The 14th is a bupkiss argument:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

The Amendment has its clear meaning, end of argument.

It was clearly intended to pay for debts and pensions incurred for and from the Civil war, and nothing else.

22 posted on 07/09/2011 5:16:41 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: CincyRichieRich
There will be a civil war. Pray and stockpile.
23 posted on 07/09/2011 5:18:46 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: CincyRichieRich
The simplest thing to do is to state publicly that under the Constitution only Congress has the authority to borrow money on the credit of the United States, that Congress has not authorized these borrowings, and that the people who buy these bonds do so at their own risk and can only look to Barack Obama to repay them out of his personal funds.
24 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If found, please return this Ring of Power to Sauron, Lord of Darkness. Return postage guaranteed.)
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To: lacrew
Yes...

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void

Ignoring the civil war era parts:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, shall not be questioned.

Any debt beyond the debt ceiling is not authorized by law. Any borrowings beyond the debt limit shall be questioned.

25 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by RagingBull (Talent does what it can; genius does what it must)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I agree.

But he has not let the LAW stand in his way before. And Congress allowed his violations.

In this case, he will fail.


26 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The way I read that underlined part (”insurrection or rebellion”), we shouldn’t have to pay Obama’s salary.


27 posted on 07/09/2011 5:21:35 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Yes, Mr. Lennon, I do want a revolution.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

First, ignore all the French poodles and the surrender monkeys waving white flags.

The 2nd Marine Division is a few hours away up I-95 if obuma declares martial law, should he be that stupid. The odds of him surviving his commie martial law decree are less than 70%.


28 posted on 07/09/2011 5:24:38 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: CincyRichieRich

Many people aren’t surprised that Obama will do as he pleases and get away with it. He has been doing this since he was sworn in. We have sat back and been convinced to just wait until the next election and it is all gonna be okay. uh huh

Yeah right. We don’t even have the sense of shock at the horrors left. We have accepted our fate with a whimper.

Obama will do as he wants and we will squeal and whine, but do it he will. The sense of outrage died when we allowed Obamacare and being groped at the airport.


29 posted on 07/09/2011 5:30:54 PM PDT by dforest
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To: AZLiberty
The way I read that underlined part (”insurrection or rebellion”), we shouldn’t have to pay Obama’s salary.

Yowza! I like the way you think!

30 posted on 07/09/2011 5:33:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment. If you remove the clause specifically referencing the payment for services in the War between the States, it reads:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, shall not be questioned.

By what stretch of the imagination does this provide the executive with a blank check?

A debt owed is a debt owed but that does not mean one can just print bogus paper to "cover" it.

31 posted on 07/09/2011 5:34:30 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Sixteenth Amendment - a.k.a. - The Slavery Amendment)
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To: AZLiberty

Good shot!


32 posted on 07/09/2011 5:34:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What I am wondering is would Obastard deliberately withhold payments to the debt to destroy the economy?

I am convinced, that destroying the economy, and the whole country, for that matter, has been his plan since he was a so called community organizer in Chicago.

33 posted on 07/09/2011 5:34:47 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: indylindy
Yes, he has drawn dictatorial powers unto himself without a whimper because that would be racist.

We may not survive a One-term Obama. I am beginning to think that he should be our first 3/4-term President.

34 posted on 07/09/2011 5:38:35 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Excuse me - gotta go drain the Obama...)
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To: Mark17

Can you say “Cloward-Piven”?


35 posted on 07/09/2011 5:39:45 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Excuse me - gotta go drain the Obama...)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

That section could also mean that the debt MUST be serviced.


36 posted on 07/09/2011 5:42:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

WOW, we must have ESP, I just posted what you posted to me. LOL


37 posted on 07/09/2011 5:44:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Aevery_Freeman

The three key words are “authorized by law”.

Zero can’t make debt legal all by himself.

And if he tries to, he needs to be impeached and convicted.

We can suffer a fool becoming a President, i.e. Joe Biden, but we cannot countenance a traitor.


38 posted on 07/09/2011 5:45:55 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Pray and prepare. This has been coming for generations! Some of us saw it coming, but most people didn’t want wanted to hear or see. The following is a video we all needed to see 5o years ago:

This 6-minute video is from a retired US Army Lt. General and Green Beret. He provides vital information that has come as a result of decades in military service.

Watch this bone chilling video and then forward to everyone you know.

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39 posted on 07/09/2011 5:47:06 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: SVTCobra03

Obama does not hold the purse strings. All he can do is veto what is sent to him when it comes to money. House makes budget, goes to senate for approval, the 2 go to reconsilation and the budget goes to the president... I am senile and over 70 and know that. Boner is a bummer and is just holding back his tears. If a good budget is sent and he veto’s it, the problem is his to explain. (truthfully?) Republicans are not known as the stupid party for nothing. They never put any member with balls in leadership...just the fraidy cats..


40 posted on 07/09/2011 5:53:27 PM PDT by goat granny
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