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Iranian Commander: US Carriers Target If Attacked
Associated Press ^ | July 9, 2011

Posted on 07/10/2011 1:47:28 AM PDT by Strategy

TEHRAN, Iran -- A senior Revolutionary Guard commander threatened Saturday that U.S. aircraft carriers would be targeted if Iran came under attack amid a standoff with the West over Tehran's nuclear program.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: aerospace; iran; islam; israel; middleeast; navair
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1 posted on 07/10/2011 1:47:34 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Strategy

LOL


2 posted on 07/10/2011 2:06:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

“Mother of all battles” Islamobabble......it’s the way of the region.


3 posted on 07/10/2011 2:10:59 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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4 posted on 07/10/2011 2:22:40 AM PDT by magslinger (Zombies make up much of the Democrat's base.)
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To: TigersEye; Strategy

>>> LOL

Perhaps. But in wargames from the runup to the attack on Saddam, a Marine general defeated the Navy forces by overwhelming the TF defenses. A force of small but very fast missile-carrying speedboats overwhelmed the screen and knocked out the carrier.

Now picture Iran with a similar strategy. Many small boats and large numbers of drones converging on the TF in those narrow waters. It’s not like Okinawa anymore. The ships have few guns and are much more fragile when hit.

Get cocky if you like but it’s not an impossible mission.


5 posted on 07/10/2011 2:58:16 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Strategy

Iran has to know that if they were to sink one of our carriers even this marxist mooselimb magic negro will have to nuke their sorry asses.
And if he didn’t respond thusly then he’d get the axe and the next pres would do so.


6 posted on 07/10/2011 3:14:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: TigersEye; Strategy

from Wiki:

Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise ...and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military “transformation”—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more powerful weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as “Blue”, and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, “Red”.

Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lt. General Paul K. Van Riper, used old methods to evade Blue’s sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.

Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue’s fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces’ electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships.

An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel.

Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue’s navy was “sunk” by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue’s inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]

At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue’s ships were “re-floated”, and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: “You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days’ worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?”[2]

After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action, leading to allegations that the exercise was scripted and “$250 million was wasted”.[3] Due to his concerns about the scripted nature of the new exercise, Van Riper resigned his position in the midst of the war game.

He was quoted in the BBC–Discovery Channel documentary The Perfect War[4] as saying that what he saw in MC02 echoed the same view promoted by the Department of Defense under Robert McNamara.


7 posted on 07/10/2011 3:29:30 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb
"But in wargames from the runup to the attack on Saddam, a Marine general defeated the Navy forces by overwhelming the TF defenses."

Two things not considered in your statement. War games are set upon as conditions are applied to each defensive and offensive force. Was the carrier actually playing the part of a US carrier?

Second, do you honestly think they learned nothing if the carrier was in full combat configuration for these games?

8 posted on 07/10/2011 3:37:19 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: ErnBatavia
Of course the carrier would be a target along with any thing else we have own ect.

Do these idiots in the press really think that in a war you don't go after the enemy.

9 posted on 07/10/2011 4:15:17 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: tlb

That worked so well in “the run up to the war on Saddam”, but in the event, the Iraqis were no threat to the U.S. and allied Naval and Air Forces. In other words, they were invincible on paper and worthless in combat.

The Iranians, with three times the population and ecomomy, struggled for ten years to fight Iraq to a standstill. How long would they survive against the U.S.?

The lesson of the Iraq war is that we don’t do nation building, we do military conquest.


10 posted on 07/10/2011 4:27:15 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Strategy

I’ll huff and I’ll puff..... =.=


11 posted on 07/10/2011 4:31:36 AM PDT by cranked
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To: TigersEye

The Iranians had better be careful. If 0bama is backed into a corner and is dealing with bad or disastrous re-election prospects, he’ll be like a cornered animal. If he thinks that it could help...and of course it might, Iran could taste the result of his panic.


12 posted on 07/10/2011 4:47:01 AM PDT by n230099 ("When no one knows who is armed...everyone is.")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

How many “Warthogs” do we have waiting out there to clean up those fast boats?


13 posted on 07/10/2011 4:47:50 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Strategy
I thought everything was going to be so much better once we got rid of Saddam Hussein. It sure would be nice now to have Saddam still around to check the Iranians. Now some of the same perpetual war types that got us into trouble in Iraq are eager to make even a bigger mistake with Iran. Iran is run generally by bad people, but that does not mean that this Iranian regime cannot be useful to us in the future by helping to control our common enemies, the Taliban, as they were in the past. Iran is not a major threat to American security, it was not Iran that flew those airplanes on 9/11. Let's not again take our eye off international terrorism as Bush's gang did when they left Afghanistan unfinished in search of new war in Iraq.
14 posted on 07/10/2011 4:51:00 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cranked
Say ello to my leetle frien.

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15 posted on 07/10/2011 4:51:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: WellyP

What is a warthog....... an A10?

I am reading a book that seemed to say a warthog was a Cobra helicopter.


16 posted on 07/10/2011 4:51:32 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: cranked

First and foremost, did the Navy have the opportunity for a preemptive strike? Next, was the games presuming that there was no forward observation by recon units in both the air as well as assets on the ground in Iran?

Finally, it sounds like the Navy was trying to ascertain, based on current Iranian assets, what the result would be if Iran used those assets without retaliation. Sort of like fighting with your kid brother and letting him pummel you to see if the kid can give you a bloody nose.

Where I would have concern is going back a couple of years when a Chinese sub got within striking distance of a carrier group. I cannot imagine that the information gleaned by the Chinese wasn’t fed to Iran.


17 posted on 07/10/2011 4:53:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law.)
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To: WellyP

I don’t believe that CVN carry Warhogs, but LPD should carry Apaches. One Marine Apache could wreck havoc on a swarm of fast missile boats. Asymmetry my ass.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 4:54:50 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: n230099

“If he thinks that it could help...and of course it might, Iran could taste the result of his panic.”

That being the case, you don’t take 75% of your military which is sitting on Iran’s doorstep and bring them home. If anything, you run exercises with the Iraq military as close to Iran as possible and you see how Iran and it’s allies respond.


19 posted on 07/10/2011 4:57:53 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Lots of A10s in Saudi and Iraq.


20 posted on 07/10/2011 4:59:49 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Strategy

Everyone on this post thinks pRes_ _ent Obama will do
the “right thing”.
That is not likely given his history. It is his way.

More likely, this will be orchestrated by Iran and
Obama by changing the ROE, and then having Obama
lash out at Israel. The Congress will cry. It is their way.


21 posted on 07/10/2011 5:04:56 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: WellyP

I’m not sure how available they will be in the near future, or if they train against maritime targets. Still, how much training does it take to shoot a barrel full of fish? Best part is, there won’t be any images of a “Highway of Death” for CNN to bleat about, just debris and bodies spread over the sea.


22 posted on 07/10/2011 5:06:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
http://www.guncopter.com/ah-1z-viper/

The Marines have this. Plenty capable.

23 posted on 07/10/2011 5:07:11 AM PDT by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: bert

A Wart Hog is an A-10 with a 12’ 30 mm gun. Tank killer for sure and just about anything else.


24 posted on 07/10/2011 5:11:41 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: TigersEye

If one of those MACH-3 missiles DOES get in, it is moving way too fast to be shot down with conventional means, by the time it moves to within PHALANX range, it will also hit the ship before it can be shot down. If it jinks in flight before hitting it’s target, soemthing we knew how to make happen 30 years ago, that ship is in dead serious trouble.

Those missiles also fly faster than the anti-aircraft missiles we shoot at them from the side or behind, our only hope is to be within 10 miles when we launch a missile from any diagonal from the front approach or head on so that the missile has the range to follow and destroy that missile inbound.

These new hypersonic missiles are a genuine threat!


25 posted on 07/10/2011 5:13:28 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The AH-64 is a hell of a platform. Carries a 30MM chain gun with 1200 rounds, two hell fire missals or a variant, and 12 air to ground rocket pods. Mess with them and your are dead. Then can sit a mile away and pick you apart.


26 posted on 07/10/2011 5:16:26 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Marines fly Cobras, not Apaches.

Navy also have serious E2C aircraft in the sky, drones, and satellite observation surrounding a carrier

NMone of that means a thing if the enemy shoots first with a hypersonic missile. If we are prepared for war, we might stop it. if we are surprised, we lose a carrier.


27 posted on 07/10/2011 5:18:50 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: ryan71
We aren't allowed to use helicopters in “war games”, I suppose. Attack helicopter vs. fast boat. Where do I place my bets? In the war games, the Iranians are assumed to have perfect opsec and comsec and pull off perfect marshaling. In the real world, half of them will never get to the marshaling point, hundreds of sailors will be tweeting cousins, girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, and college chums from UCLA. Long before they find the aircraft carriers by “reconnaissance in force”, the force decimate their sorry asses and send them back to Tehran with tales of gore.

It will be a farce and a tragedy.

Do I believe that the Marines could pull off something like what was done in the war game? Maybe. Can the Iranians. Not likely.

28 posted on 07/10/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; FARS

Boy, do YOU have that all wrong!

Iran was and is the biggest sponsor of terrorism across the globe and their IEDs have killed more troops than Iraqi republican guard!

Iran FOUNDED Hexbollah, funds Al Qaeda, Hamas, Osama, the Abu Sayef, every single terrorist group out there to include Hexbollah forces in Venezuela, Mexico and crossign our southern and northern borders!

We didnt invade Iraq just because of 9/11, we did so to contain Iran.


29 posted on 07/10/2011 5:23:13 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: tlb

That was 2002. Since then they’ve wargamed that scenario TO DEATH. A tweak here, a tweak there, a Phalanx, helicopters, and UAVs everywhere... it’ll be like swattin’ mosquitoes. It was never going to be much of a problem anyway once the brains in the Pentagon turned their attention to it.


30 posted on 07/10/2011 5:24:34 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: RaceBannon

I agree, they would have to pull off a Pearl Harbor sucker punch. I don’t think the Navy is sitting in the Gulf waiting to get sucker punched again, like they did with the Stark.


31 posted on 07/10/2011 5:25:42 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Strategy

Shocking! To think that in the case of military action against Iran... that Iran would target our *MILITARY* assets.

Everyone knows that the only legitimate targets are women and children.

(Sheesh, this is on par with saying that the sky is blue and water is wet... and in war, militaries fight each other!)


32 posted on 07/10/2011 5:26:31 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Strategy
Bring it on!

Mikke

33 posted on 07/10/2011 5:28:41 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

USMC does not fly Apache - they fly Cobras.


34 posted on 07/10/2011 5:30:19 AM PDT by DJ Elliott (Montrose Toast Blog)
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To: n230099
If he thinks that it could help...and of course it might, Iran could taste the result of his panic.

OMG, he just might resort to the action of last resort, sending Biden instead of Hillary to deliver a stern protest on White House stationary typed in ALL CAPS!!!

35 posted on 07/10/2011 5:32:19 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: RaceBannon

Saddam had done a good job containing Iran before we decided to destabilize the Middle East. We should have a lower profile in that part of the world and let the locals serve our interests by fighting among themselves in pursuit of ancient enmities.


36 posted on 07/10/2011 5:32:41 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Strategy

I think it’s time to wipe these loudmouth ragheads off the face of the earth.


37 posted on 07/10/2011 5:35:38 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Iran didnt have hypersonic cruise missiles like they have now, nor did they have hundreds of SCUD variant missiles like they have ben stockpiling up like now. Only ONE has to work, and if they fire 6 or 10 at once at a single target, there isn’t enough anti-missile firepower to guarantee safety

Iran fought a totally different war against Iraq than would be fought against us, and if you think that war would be limited to the Persian Gulf region, you would be wrong, and if you think it would be against American forces only, you would be wrong, too.

The Saudi’s need to be buying Patriot missiles, too.


38 posted on 07/10/2011 5:36:39 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Strategy

Fine.

Take out a carrier, and Tehran and Isfahan are nuked, plus we take over Kharg Island and keep the oil.

Iran is the head of the hydra, and we need to stop pretending we are not already at war with them.


39 posted on 07/10/2011 5:38:37 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: DJ Elliott

So I’ve been told. Same result: Cobra vs. fast attack boat = debris field with bodies floating.


40 posted on 07/10/2011 5:41:00 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: bert
A-10 Warthog

Cheers!

41 posted on 07/10/2011 6:04:02 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Uh...sure?


42 posted on 07/10/2011 6:06:59 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I don’t think the Navy is sitting in the Gulf waiting to get sucker punched again, like they did with the Stark.

Unless George Soros Valerie Jarrett The First Wookie Barack Obama orders them NOT to fire, even if fired upon.

I vaguely have the impression that there have been cases (Ft. Hood; Somalia; the Marine Barracks in Lebanon in 1983; the USS Cole) where our defensive posture hasn't been all it could have been.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

43 posted on 07/10/2011 6:07:58 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Those are different individual cases. I think the Navy more or less assumes the worst in the Gulf and is ready to shoot first and ask questions later. I’ll bet the Iranians have launched probes and been satisfied that the Navy will shoot. You notice that they grabbed 14 British sailors (back around 2005) and gave the U.S. Navy, which was conducting similar patrols, a wide berth.


44 posted on 07/10/2011 6:13:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Joe Boucher
No President of the United States would kill millions of civilians in response to an attack on a purely military target - and a CVN, at sea, is about a pure a military target as there can be.

This is, of course, the problem with the CVBG. It is extremely vulnerable to nuclear attack, and it's apparent safety is an illusion, because since 1949 no one has had both means (locate, track, and deliver weapon) and motive to take one or more CVBGs out.

Iran may be different - we'll see.

45 posted on 07/10/2011 6:13:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Joe Boucher
No President of the United States would kill millions of civilians in response to an attack on a purely military target - and a CVN, at sea, is about a pure a military target as there can be.

This is, of course, the problem with the CVBG. It is extremely vulnerable to nuclear attack, and it's apparent safety is an illusion, because since 1949 no one has had both means (locate, track, and deliver weapon) and motive to take one or more CVBGs out.

Iran may be different - we'll see.

46 posted on 07/10/2011 6:13:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Strategy

I wonder if certain people have ever thought of using a concept of smaller drone aircraft, basically mini cruise missiles or not too expensive large RC aircraft, a thousand or more available each with a video feed and with a program that would target small suicide boats.

The Navy had dirigibles that launched smaller fighter planes, perhaps a modernized airship could also be the launching platform for weapons designed for massed attacks from all points of the compass at the same time.


47 posted on 07/10/2011 6:13:33 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (2012, NO MORE LIES!)
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To: exit82
Take out a carrier, and Tehran and Isfahan are nuked

Never happen.

Not in a million years.

If GWB did not nuke Tora Bora in response to a successful attack on a civilian, population center target, what makes you think Obama, or anyone else, would kill ten million civilians for a successful attack on a military target.

It would never happen.

48 posted on 07/10/2011 6:17:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Replace the phrase “sink one of our Carriers” with “knock down the World Trade Center Towers”, and tell me how that sounds. We should have done it then. Just picked a city at random and made it glass. We have lost our spine, and until we get it back, we are just a target.


49 posted on 07/10/2011 6:17:42 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The US should let it be known, inter alia, that in the case Iran sneezes the Revolutionary Guards terrorist base for its Al Quds force located at Qom will be wiped out. If there is collateral damage that destroys the home of the Ayatollahs, we cannot be held responsible.


50 posted on 07/10/2011 6:18:12 AM PDT by Melchior
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