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The Establishment, Not the Base, is Pressuring Republicans and Lying With Threats of Dire Default
Rush Limbaugh Show ^ | July 8, 2011 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 07/10/2011 8:47:48 AM PDT by Son House

RUSH: I asked the question last hour: "Where in the world are the Republicans feeling this pressure to do a deal with Obama? Where is the pressure to cave to Obama on raising the debt ceiling? Where's the pressure coming from?" P

at Buchanan has the answer in a recent post at the Drudge Report. "By refusing to accept..." By the way, the title of his piece is: "An Establishment in Panic -- By refusing to accept tax increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, Republicans are behaving like 'fanatics,' writes David Brooks of The New York Times," the conservative columnist, by the way. "'anti-tax Republicans 'have no sense of moral decency,' he adds. They are 'willing to stain their nation's honor' to 'worship their idol.'" That would be Reagan.

"If this 'deal of the century' goes down, as he calls the Barack Obama offer, 'Republican fanaticism' will be the cause." That's David Brooks, an establishment guy, a Ruling Class guy. "'The GOP has become a cult' that has replaced reason with 'feverish' and 'cockamamie beliefs,' writes Richard Cohen of The Washington Post.

The Republican 'presidential field (is) a virtual political Jonestown,' the Guyana site where more than 900 followers of the Peoples Temple drank the Kool-Aid that Rev. Jim Jones mixed for them" and died. "Does anyone think this an appropriate description of such mild-mannered men as Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman?" They are presidential political Jonestown?

"'The GOP's Hezbollah Wing Is Now Fully in Control,' screams The New Republic over a recent lead editorial. Other columnists charge the GOP with holding America 'hostage'" and a gun to the American peoples' heads "by refusing to accept tax hikes to avert a default on the debt. What to make of this hysteria?

The Establishment is in a panic. It has been jolted awake to the realization that the GOP House, if it can summon the courage to use it, is holding a weapon that could enable it to bridle forever the federal monster that consumes 25 percent of gross domestic product." So, there's our answer: The pressure that Boehner and the Republicans feel is establishment Washington who want their precious government and their god to grow.

By the way, this puts in perspective this stuff I mentioned yesterday: Matthews, Joan Walsh, Tina Brown calling all these people the "Wahhabis" of the Republican Party. It's all calculated to put pressure on them, all because they won't go along with a tax increase, all because they won't give in to Obama, all because they're willing to have the government default, which will not happen!

In fact, Social Security checks will continue to go out. In all of this, we're being lied to by the Ruling Class left and right about the debt ceiling and what happens if it's not raised. "To bully and blackmail the GOP into surrendering the weapon and betraying its principles and signing on to new taxes, that establishment has unleashed rhetoric more befitting a war on terror than a political dispute.

"For how, exactly, are Republicans threatening the republic? The House has not said it will not raise the debt ceiling. It must and will. It has not said it will not accept budget cuts. It has indicated a willingness to accept the budget cuts agreed to in the Biden negotiations. Where the GOP has stood its ground is on tax increases. Is fanaticism behind this stance? Does this manifest insanity? How does this imperil the nation's honor and future [not raising taxes]?

Behind the GOP opposition to tax hikes is the party's word given to the country that elected it in 2010, its political principles, its traditional view of what not to do when the nation is in a slump, and party history." You don’t raise taxes in a recession. You just don't.

"Fully 235 Republican House members signed a 2010 pledge not to raise taxes. And by giving their word they were rewarded with victory. Should they now dishonor that pledge, what would differentiate them from George H.W. Bush, who famously promised in 1988: 'Read my lips! No new taxes!' then went back on his word and took the party down to defeat with him?

Second, the GOP is the party of small government and low taxes. Why would it agree to raise taxes on the private productive sector when federal spending, now at a peacetime record of 25 percent of GDP, is the problem?

"Third, America is in a slump, with 9 percent of the workforce unemployed," actually more than that as we know, "another 7 percent underemployed and the economy growing at a tepid 1.8 percent. "What school of economic thought ... says raising taxes in a slumping economy is the recipe for a return to prosperity? There is no such school.

Why, when the whole country is talking about the need to create jobs, would Congress raise taxes on a private productive sector that employs six in seven Americans and is the creator of real jobs?" Why? "In 1982, President Reagan agreed to the same deal being offered the party today: three dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases to which he assented.

"As he ruefully told [Pat Buchanan] more than once, he was lied to. He got one dollar in spending cuts for every three in tax increases. "What of the charge that the Republican House is holding America hostage, blackmailing the nation with a suicidal threat to throw us all into national default if it does not get its way?

This smear is the precise opposite of the truth," as we've been saying over and over. "The Republican Party has not said it will refuse to raise the debt ceiling. ... The House has simply said it will not accept new taxes on a nation whose fiscal crisis comes from overspending.

"If the GOP keeps its word, raises the debt ceiling and accepts budget cuts agreed to in the Biden negotiations, the only people who can prevent the debt ceiling's being raised are Senate Democrats or Obama," and that is why they will cave, "in which case, they, not the GOP, will have thrown the nation into default." This is the position! The Republicans own this opportunity.

All they've gotta do is stop talking about tax increases and revenue. "It is the establishment that is resorting to extortion, saying, in effect, to the House GOP: Give us the new taxes we demand, or Obama will veto the debt ceiling and we will all blame you for the default." Pat Buchanan says, "They're bluffing. The GOP should stand its ground -- and fix bayonets." Lock and load, in other words.

He's right.

The Democrats are bluffing. The Ruling Class is bluffing. They are in a panicked hysteria, which itself is the indication of the weakness of their position. Boehner ought to be feeling no pressure from the people that count.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: base; diredefault; establishment
The Democrats are bluffing. The Ruling Class is bluffing. They are in a panicked hysteria, which itself is the indication of the weakness of their position.

Good call Mr Limbaugh, the Democrats are making the debt ceiling talks so complicating less people understand it and buy into their panic facade, a budget consumes 25% of GDP is bond to fail, as revenues collected are about 18% historically.



And Republicans need to remember to keep it simple stupids! No tax hikes, any debt ceiling increase is minimal, temporary, as only to pay debt till they enact more cuts, at most, and there's 12 Appropriation Bills each year.

1 posted on 07/10/2011 8:47:52 AM PDT by Son House
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To: Son House

Here’s why it’s falling apart:

One out of every nineteen Americans are now collecting Social Security Disability.

That includes gang-bangers, kids with bad tempers, almost anyone with HIV - even if it’s devolved to common cold status...Some start collecting full payments when they’re in their 20’s. Some will collect for 60 to 70 years...

Disability will be destroyed for the people who really are disabled - and Social Security will be destroyed for those who are too old to work. And the promise made to the young still paying into the system will be broken.

All so the “same-old same-old” can work one more scam.

When the system is bankrupt those who are truly disabled and without family will die. Same with the 80 year old grandfathers... Scammers won’t be hurt - they’ll get work or go on to steal from some new victim.

Check out signs in inner city neighborhoods “We’ll FIGHT FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY RIGHTS”... Lawyers take these cases for a cut of ‘the winnings’... It’s not the old, it’s NOT those people who really are disabled who are breaking the system...


2 posted on 07/10/2011 8:50:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I’m paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: Son House

All the GOP needs to do is pass a bill that says that if there isn’t enough money, then the President shall pay the national debt first. If the Dems vote against it or Obama vetoes it, then they are voting to default on the national debt, so they wouldn’t dare do it. And if it passes, then there is no pressure to lift the debt ceiling. Just let it be and watch the Dems embarrass themselves when there is no default.


3 posted on 07/10/2011 8:55:01 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Son House
The threat of default is a blunt blackmail. They behave like they would have no money whatsoever unless borrowed. I guess we are not paying taxes weekly and biweekly...

There are funds for essential services - what Government is supposed to do - and for paying existing debt obligations, mandatory by the Constitution. Obama wants to borrow to fund his Government and public sector expansion and threatens a deliberate, on purpose default if not given what he wants - so he will ruin the US economy one way or another!

If Obama chooses default - it's an impeachable offense and let us treat it as such.

4 posted on 07/10/2011 8:57:14 AM PDT by alecqss
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To: Son House
"'The GOP's Hezbollah Wing Is Now Fully in Control,' screams The New Republic over a recent lead editorial.

Wait. I just want to make sure I'm clear on this. For The New Republic, Hezbollah is a bad thing, right?

I get mixed up as to when terrorist organizations are bad when they are benevolent Community Organization.

5 posted on 07/10/2011 8:57:25 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Son House

So what’s new about that?

The difference is we have the Tea-Party as leverage back at them.

They will have to decide if the want to be invited to DC parties or still have a job after 2012.


6 posted on 07/10/2011 9:00:38 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Son House
What Republicans need to do is take something Rush said a couple of weeks and go an run with it.

They should bring a bill to The Floor of The House eliminating The National Debt altogether.

And then they can explain why it's necessary to break the debt ceiling right after they explain why it's necessary to have a debt ceiling.

7 posted on 07/10/2011 9:01:24 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Son House

The Speakers sees this now. That’s why he basically gave the finger to the President last night.

The best part is when he said that he’d go along with the V.P.’s deal but not the President’s deal. LOL that has got to sting.

Wouldn’t you just freaking love to be in the WH strategy meetings this afternoon? David Plouffe must be crapping himself today! I would pay good money to see Valerie Jarrett and Daley yelling each other hoarse too.


8 posted on 07/10/2011 9:02:55 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: Son House
Addendum to post #7:

By "they" I mean "RATs".

9 posted on 07/10/2011 9:03:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Son House
Matthews, Joan Walsh, Tina Brown calling all these people the "Wahhabis" of the Republican Party.

Wow. I find this Muslim stereo-typing very troubling.

10 posted on 07/10/2011 9:09:04 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Son House

All this ‘blah-blah’ is concerning the progressive income tax system in which less than half of Americans even contribute. I wonder how Mr. David Brooks would feel about a one time 70% tax on accumulated wealth? I’ll bet all those democrat “fat cats” with their off shore accounts, foundations, and non-profits would scream bloody murder!


11 posted on 07/10/2011 9:09:15 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / Still Think You're Free?)
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To: Son House; PGalt; socialismisinsidious; fhayek; the invisib1e hand; Freemarkets101; ...

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12 posted on 07/10/2011 9:10:23 AM PDT by FreeKeys (Is spooky dude Soros, Obastard's puppet master, massively short the dollar & wanting a default?)
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To: Son House

You know folks, we are lucky to have Rush Limbaugh out there. I and other Conservatives disagree with him at times, but the guy has a loud voice, and people need to be hearing this exact message.

Buchanan was right here. Rush was right to highlight his comments on his show, and embellish.

Good for him.


13 posted on 07/10/2011 9:11:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (F me, you, everybody, the new Dem/Pubie compromise. No debt reduction, + wild spending forever...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I should have congratulated Buchanan too. It’s nice to know he can still come up with a good article once in a while.


14 posted on 07/10/2011 9:12:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (F me, you, everybody, the new Dem/Pubie compromise. No debt reduction, + wild spending forever...)
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To: GOPJ

The WORST is the “Earned Income Tax Credit” a farce that is simply redistribution. It is fostering non-achievement and is counter to what taxes should be...paid equally by all citizens.


15 posted on 07/10/2011 9:15:31 AM PDT by Shady (Capitalism works for men who do. Socialism works for men who don’t The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Son House
Speaker Boehner has just pulled off a major coup in his negotiations with the White House over the debt ceiling. Boehner has successfully gotten an incumbent Democratic President to propose cuts to the Social Security program. Whoever becomes the GOP nominee for president has to be overjoyed with this development because it will mean that the 0bama campaign won't be able to attack the GOP nominee about SS. If 0bama's campaign tries demogoguing the GOP nominee, then all that nominee will have to do is remind everyone that during the debt ceiling talks President 0bama, himself proposed cutting SS.

Cutting Social Security is not going to be considered for quite a few years, but because of Boehner's ploy, it will not be able to be used by the democrats against the Republican Presidential nominee in this election cycle.

16 posted on 07/10/2011 9:18:30 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973
If nothing comes from tonight's meeting ( I hope not).

The house needs to pass a bill increasing the debt ceiling and send it to the Senate and then the pressure is on the Democratic Senate and President.

17 posted on 07/10/2011 9:24:29 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Son House
The Dems know that if Obama can't get a deal, he'll wear the economy and unemployment like an albatross around his neck.

He is in a desperate situation and is trying to pretend otherwise.

If our guys don't cave...Obama is TOAST!

18 posted on 07/10/2011 9:31:57 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: scooby321
If nothing comes from tonight's meeting ( I hope not).

The house needs to pass a bill increasing the debt ceiling and send it to the Senate and then the pressure is on the Democratic Senate and President.

Yes, that will be necesary for the House to pass a debt ceiling bill...but it would be better to wait until closer to the August 2nd deadline...the Senate and the president will be more willing to consider it at that time.

19 posted on 07/10/2011 9:38:13 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Son House

Boy if anybody has gotta go it’s the Republican establishment.

Just wait until after the Summer when they start telling us who our nominee is. That’s going to be fun.


20 posted on 07/10/2011 9:41:19 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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21 posted on 07/10/2011 10:23:31 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Son House

The Democrats are really saying:

“Read our lisp: No new private-sector jobs.”


22 posted on 07/10/2011 10:31:03 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Son House
The Democrats are bluffing. The Ruling Class is bluffing. They are in a panicked hysteria, which itself is the indication of the weakness of their position. Boehner ought to be feeling no pressure from the people that count.

We need a Sarah Palin presidency. Anyone who doesn't see that is as blind as the Ruling Class.

23 posted on 07/10/2011 10:35:37 AM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: upsdriver

You’re as worse as the libtard Dems in how you view shit in absolutes. “Anyone who doesn’t see that is a blind as the Ruling class”....so say we all, huh? =.=


24 posted on 07/10/2011 12:27:50 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Shady
No, that's not the worst. The earned income credit happens once a year... and when a person gets above a certain level - it stops. Also, it's only paid out to people working.

Social Security Disability is paid EVERY MONTH for every YEAR of a person's life. They get on with a bad temper for a drug problem and they can collect every month for 30 years - 40 years or even 80 years if they live to be a hundred. It never stops. No pesky social workers. And most of them work under the table... so they're not paying taxes on what they do earn.

It's a system with such perverse incentives it would make welfare blush... and it's bankrupting Social Security. And those folks who really are disabled will be dumped on the streets when everything goes broke.

Then again, you know dems will let grandma die before they'll let some criminal drug addict do without his Social Security.

25 posted on 07/10/2011 1:23:06 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: Son House

From a comment I posted on RedState:

“If you aske me, the critters in congress aren’t going to be able to solve this problem. If there is ever to be a solution to this, the States will have to step in and settle it that way...”

The States do not need permission from congress to amend the constitution. I am not a proponent of the BBA, because I think it will have side effects likened to the regulatory conditions that pumped the housing and govt debt (all levels) bubble, but if that’s what we really want to do, then it is likely the ONLY way to get there.

I would rather see the Federal government stripped of power it was never intended to have instead of, or in addition to, a BBA. I do not count on congress willingly giving that stuff up or being able to control it, in fact I am quite certain that it will not do it on its own just because we demand it.

The Federal gov’t is in a percarious position with the Fed exiting QE2, interest rates on borrowing will rise, and it will eventually run out of enough customers willing to buy its debt. And the amount of borrowing it will have to do is a problem because it already overwhelms America’s savings pool. For it to keep borrowing at the rate required to keep up with unfunded mandates, it will soak up nearly all potentially productive domestic capital and convert it to consumption making it nearly impossible to climb out of the economic hole we’re in; and it really does not matter if taxes are raised because they are grabbing the money on the front end in addition of the back.

It really is just a matter of when, not if, the piper comes calling, and if we’re not careful, the government will just collapse right along with whatever is left of the economy. Any state that just might be so inclined to stand up to Fedzilla, but does not because of the Federal stipends, should consider the very real possibility that the money will run dry and if they have any interest at all in saving themselves and us from the all but certain financial calamity, they need to step in now and rein that beast in.


26 posted on 07/10/2011 1:29:08 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Son House

He excerpted the entire Buchanan article. How often does that happen?


27 posted on 07/10/2011 2:39:50 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Son House

He excerpted the entire Buchanan article. How often does that happen?


28 posted on 07/10/2011 2:40:06 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: FreeKeys

VERY interesting! Thanks for the post/ping/link/question.


29 posted on 07/10/2011 6:24:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: NRG1973

“Speaker Boehner has just pulled off a major coup in his negotiations with the White House over the debt ceiling. Boehner has successfully gotten an incumbent Democratic President to propose cuts to the Social Security program. Whoever becomes the GOP nominee for president has to be overjoyed with this development because it will mean that the 0bama campaign won’t be able to attack the GOP nominee about SS. If 0bama’s campaign tries demogoguing the GOP nominee, then all that nominee will have to do is remind everyone that during the debt ceiling talks President 0bama, himself proposed cutting SS. “

You are right that this is an accomlishment, but OTOH the media will paper this over and still allow the demagoguery to continue unhindered.


30 posted on 07/10/2011 6:53:14 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: cranked

Worse as all that? LOL

First of all, Sarah Palin is the epitome of anti-Ruling Class. I don’t know who you are supporting but I’ll bet he considers himself or strives to impress or operates by the rules of the “inside the beltway” elites. Many FReepers fall into that category as well. That’s why they aren’t able to understand the appeal of Palin to the rest of us.

Secondly, Libtard Dems don’t view “shit in absolutes”. Quite the contrary, they live in a gray world.

What I don’t do is operate within the framework of “that’s the way it’s always been done”. Learn to think outside the box. It’s the only way we are going to get control of our government, our country. Palin knows this and so does her supporters. If it comes off as us sounding superior, it’s because we are. :p


31 posted on 07/11/2011 12:05:56 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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