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Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling
Salem-News.com ^ | Jul-09-2011 | Tim King

Posted on 07/10/2011 10:43:38 AM PDT by loucon

Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference in CUERNAVACA, MEXICO Thursday, April 2, 2009

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel...[2]

(Excerpt) Read more at salem-news.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; aztlan; banglist; castaway; dea; doj; falseflag; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; hispeople; holder; holderlied; lies; melson; mexico; obama
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The national MSM, every local news paper, and every local television station should have coverage on this story. This needs to be brought to a head, and then lanced.
1 posted on 07/10/2011 10:43:41 AM PDT by loucon
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To: loucon
Jailbirds
2 posted on 07/10/2011 10:49:45 AM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: loucon
Impeachment hearings must be started concerning Holder since he lied. This should lead to impeachment of King Obama.
3 posted on 07/10/2011 10:50:03 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: loucon
The national MSM, every local news paper, and every local television station should have coverage on this story.

They would if Republicans were to blame.

4 posted on 07/10/2011 10:50:13 AM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: loucon

Is this real or not?

As a long-time FReeper, I’m getting a bit tired of all the satire that gets posted...

I, like many here, simply don’t have the time to chase down every freakin article to find out if it’s authentic.

BTW, if it is real, thanks for sharing. Important information.


5 posted on 07/10/2011 10:51:15 AM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: Logical me

Impeachment and imprisonment.
People died.


6 posted on 07/10/2011 10:51:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: loucon
Holder Lied:

No ! I think it is Felony Perjury !

7 posted on 07/10/2011 10:51:48 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: loucon

We can lie when we want to."

8 posted on 07/10/2011 10:53:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: djf

From the DOJ’s own website:

http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html


9 posted on 07/10/2011 10:54:04 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: FrankR

He’ll probably get out of it by saying something like, “I knew about Project Gunrunner but not Fast and Furious, and I did not know the details of the operation.”


10 posted on 07/10/2011 10:56:06 AM PDT by djpg
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To: djf

Unfortunately, yes. It’s all too real.


11 posted on 07/10/2011 10:56:51 AM PDT by loucon
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To: reagandemocrat

Thanks.

Sounds like Zero knew. Did the acting ATF director change when Obama got elected?

If so, I find it hard to believe he would have taken on an initiative like this without his bosses approval.


12 posted on 07/10/2011 10:59:24 AM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: djf

Real. Not a smoking gun (”Operation Gunrunner” was a legitimate Bush program), but the implications of some comments stink.


13 posted on 07/10/2011 11:02:37 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: loucon
From The Christian Science Monitor April 2, 2009.

US targets gun flows into Mexico in bid to stem drug violence
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Attorney General Eric Holder visit Mexico Thursday to meet with their counterparts
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During the visit in Mexico, officials are also expected to discuss ways to target "straw purchasers," those who buy guns for smugglers, as well as continuing cooperation with the ATF and other agencies to trace weapons back to sellers in the US.

-PJ

14 posted on 07/10/2011 11:03:21 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: djpg
I think the second part of his statement is too damning to just shluff it off by denying any knowledge of it. "But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel" (emphasis mine)
15 posted on 07/10/2011 11:03:40 AM PDT by loucon
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To: djf

It’s real, it’s a transcript of a press conference in Mexico. You can see it on YouTube.


16 posted on 07/10/2011 11:05:41 AM PDT by Kenton (Trust, but carry a gun...)
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To: Logical me

Just give Darryl Issa enough time and he will hang these guys.


17 posted on 07/10/2011 11:08:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: FrankR

OPERATION GUNRUNNER AND OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS WERE TWO SEPERATE PROGRAMS THAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK IS ONE PROGRAM.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 11:10:48 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: djf

Curiously, Melson was appointed acting ATF chief in April 2009.


19 posted on 07/10/2011 11:13:15 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Durus

“However, we need to be very careful how we write about this story. Both Ross and Hollingsworth, as well as Buck Sexton as Glenn Beck’s site The Blaze, conflate Project Gunrunner with Operation Fast and Furious. The terms are not interchangeable. So far as I can tell, Attorney General Holder did not profess ignorance about Project Gunrunner, as Sexton alleges. He professed ignorance about Operation Fast and Furious. That’s a critical difference that, at this point, leaves him off the hook.”

http://www.sundriesshack.com/2011/07/09/keep-the-focus-project-gunrunner-and-operation-fast-and-furious-are-not-the-same-thing/


20 posted on 07/10/2011 11:15:40 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: loucon
Holder Lied

Holder lied? Can we just about count on one hand, the number of times Holder has told the truth?

21 posted on 07/10/2011 11:18:20 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: faucetman

But, this document does not. Check the creation date of this document. (left click and select properties)

http://www.justice.gov/usao/az/press_releases/2011/Fast_Furious_Map_ATF.pdf

This document was created on 1/21/2011 where it was put on the justice.gov domain as a press release.

I can’t believe a program as apparently successful as this would be missed by the higher ups.


22 posted on 07/10/2011 11:25:56 AM PDT by loucon
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To: ctdonath2

But is 150 dead people considered a “high crime” to a King?


23 posted on 07/10/2011 11:32:12 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: loucon

BFLR


24 posted on 07/10/2011 11:40:44 AM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: FrankR

Best image of those two!


25 posted on 07/10/2011 11:52:18 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: djf
Check the keywords of an article to see if it says satire.
26 posted on 07/10/2011 11:59:38 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If found, please return this Ring of Power to Sauron, Lord of Darkness. Return postage guaranteed.)
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To: loucon
The national MSM, every local news paper, and every local television station should have coverage on this story.

It's time for Fox News to start leading a story instead of following a story and prove it's really part of the MSM. I don't recall them ever being the catalyst that brings the 'Big' story on to all of the front pages. Now is the time!

27 posted on 07/10/2011 12:00:02 PM PDT by sydbas
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To: Diogenesis

It’s OK for muslims to lie to infidels. It’s one of the sacraments of the muslim religion. Most of their other sacraments involve terror and murder.


28 posted on 07/10/2011 12:00:17 PM PDT by abclily
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29 posted on 07/10/2011 12:12:11 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Diogenesis

Or, in the words of Craig Livingstone, former Clinton employee, “The truth is whatever we want it to be.”


30 posted on 07/10/2011 12:13:21 PM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: djf

This is all too real.
As others pointed out Holder will say he did not know the name of the operation, Fast and Furious, and he will say he did not authorize anyone to force dealers to sell American weapons to known drug cartel
and he will say he did not know the weapons being sold did not have tracing devices. He will LIE

Project Gunrunner started with Bush and was a software tracking program. Bush had his people instruct people in mexico and other nations on how to track weapons. The weapons had tracjing devices.

Fast and Furious project forced sending untrackable weapons into Mexico while not alerting the Mexican gov’t we were flooding their country with thousands more weapons.
That is why the mexican gov’t has requested 0dumbo to turn over the people responsible for Fast andFurious.

This is All too real
who knows how many innocent mexicans were killed with the weapons 0dumbo sent. They estimate 150 plus 2 American agents

this must be investigated


31 posted on 07/10/2011 12:15:46 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: loucon

Geez Louise
I went to your link and there is Fast and Furious in all its glory
bugt Holder knew nothing of it even though he spoke of it in 2009 without naming it? Without that link he can say he had not heard the name FAST and Furious

His lie is going to be hard to maintain

Please archive that link. It would be just like 0dumbo and Holder to scrub it

GREAT find!


32 posted on 07/10/2011 12:21:40 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: FrankR; All
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33 posted on 07/10/2011 12:34:49 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: loucon

Why am I not surprised? It’s the season, treason the reason!


34 posted on 07/10/2011 12:36:45 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: Bullish

“The national MSM, every local news paper, and every local television station should have coverage on this story.

They would if Republicans were to blame. “

WE CAN WRITE IN COMMENTS TO BE POSTED


35 posted on 07/10/2011 12:52:23 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: loucon

....for more realism...start surfing up the Tampa Gunrunner story or read the Stimulus bill....the link to page 16 of the legislation shows the funding was provided right from the get-go by Congress.


36 posted on 07/10/2011 1:05:15 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: loucon

We have nobody in power that cares about the rule of law. Nothing will be done. O could murder Michelle on the front lawn on CNN and he would be excused.


37 posted on 07/10/2011 1:10:37 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: loucon

ALERT!!!! Like Bush, perry is a Globalist, a One wo4rlder. Is anyone listening to Jan Markell right now. She is talking today about how Obama is ushering the Muslim Brotherhood into our blessed country! Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Islam are all segments of the New World Order! What Bush 41 and 43 promoted with their New World Order is being finally carried out by Muslim Barack Hussein Obama! SHE IS ON YOUR LOCAL FM RADIO. tune it in!


38 posted on 07/10/2011 1:34:59 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: loucon
President 0bama denying that he or Holder knew anything about Operation Fast and Furious on Mar 23, 2011.

Obama on "gunwalking" - "Serious mistakes" may have been made (video)

Deputy Attorney General David Ogden plainly states that "the President and AG Eric Holder ordered" new facets to Operation Gunrunner. (and describes to a T the facets of Operation Fast and Furious) on March 24th, 2009.

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious (video)

On June 27, CNSNews.com asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, “Could you tell me what is the exact date that the president learned about the Justice Department ATF operation to allow guns to flow into Mexico?”

White House Mum on When Obama Learned of DOJ's Gun-Running Scheme (video)

39 posted on 07/10/2011 2:00:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: ctdonath2

Operation Gunrunner is the program that became Operation Fast and Furious. What Holder is talking about there are the changes made to Gunrunner that became F&F by name a few months later.


40 posted on 07/10/2011 2:05:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: djf
Sounds like Zero knew. Did the acting ATF director change when Obama got elected?

Melson was hired in April '09 just a few months after Holder and DAG Ogden described the changes to Gunrunner.

41 posted on 07/10/2011 2:08:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

I know.
I’m pointing out that while he his noting the transition, his comments do not contain admission that the guns in question would be released uncontrolled - which is the criminal act. What he said can be construed as just increasing what is presumably legal investigations.


42 posted on 07/10/2011 2:10:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Durus

See post #40.


43 posted on 07/10/2011 2:12:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: ctdonath2

But he describes operational parameters and funding that are known to be specifically part of F&F not Gunrunner which puts him pretty close to admitting he knew the exact changes down to allowing guns to cross the border. See the second link in post #39 and listen to DAG Ogden detail it even more, at about the same time as Holder’s speech in Mexico, where he names 0bama as ordering this new phase of Gunrunner, later to become known as F&F, and he names Holder as well.


44 posted on 07/10/2011 2:17:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: faucetman

See post #40 and subsequent posts. There is a good reason they are both conflated. They are related.


45 posted on 07/10/2011 2:18:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: djf
>>I’m getting a bit tired of all the satire that gets posted...<<

Same here. With thing that are really happening that not too long ago would have been considered satire it’s time to keep things real. There’s a flap going on right now about a piece that was satire that some took to be truth.

46 posted on 07/10/2011 2:23:23 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I wish there was a way to have our settings be everything BUT SATIRE AND BLOGS!!!!


47 posted on 07/10/2011 3:03:11 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: TigersEye

“pretty close”

Aye, there’s the rub.
It’s why whatshername is free and not facing execution.


48 posted on 07/10/2011 3:15:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
I assume you're speaking of the case where they had no direct evidence. Since we don't know how many have been deposed under oath regarding F&F, and it's still very early in Issa's investigation for any testimony under oath, we have no idea how much direct evidence there is or will be.

What we do have is a DAG who publically connected 0bama and Holder with specific descriptions that can only be a part of F&F which gives us the certainty that they lied about knowing about it. All that is necessary to tie it together is one person's testimony or a document that Holder and/or 0bama were briefed on the specifics of ignoring the straw buyer's purchases.

We know without doubt now that 0bama ordered the program, Holder spoke about the program and they both lied about knowing about the program. Anyone clinging to the thread that they can deny that they knew more details, the damning details, and that no one can directly contradict that is holding on to a single strand of silk thread.

49 posted on 07/10/2011 3:27:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: loucon
The national MSM, every local news paper, and every local television station should have coverage on this story. This needs to be brought to a head, and then lanced.


50 posted on 07/10/2011 5:37:11 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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