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France tells Libya rebels to seek peace with Gaddafi (Obama's losing his illegal war)
reuters ^ | 7/10/2011 | By Lamine Chikhi

Posted on 07/10/2011 3:15:27 PM PDT by tobyhill

A French minister said on Sunday it was time for Libya's rebels to negotiate with Muammar Gaddafi's government, but Washington said it stood firm in its belief that the Libyan leader cannot stay in power.

The diverging messages from two leading members of the Western coalition opposing Gaddafi hinted at the strain the alliance is under after more than three months of air strikes that have cost billions of dollars and failed to produce the swift outcome its backers had expected.

French Defense Minister Gerard Longuet signaled growing impatience with the progress of the conflict when he said the rebels should negotiate now with Gaddafi's government and not wait for his defeat.

The rebels have so far refused to hold talks as long as Gaddafi is still in power, a stance which before now none of NATO's major powers has publicly challenged.

"We have .... have asked them to speak to each other," Longuet, whose government has until now been among the most hawkish on Libya, said on French television station BFM TV.

"The position of the TNC (rebel Transitional National Council) is very far from other positions. Now, there will be a need to sit around a table," he said."

Asked if it was possible to hold talks if Gaddafi had not stepped down, Longuet said: "He will be in another room in his palace with another title."

Soon after, the State Department in Washington issued a message that gave no hint of compromise.

"The Libyan people will be the ones to decide how this transition takes place, but we stand firm in our belief that Gaddafi cannot remain in power," the department said in a written reply to a query.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: default; dncwar; gaddafi; italy; libya; noflyzone; obamasillegalwar; obamaswar; obamawar4libya; oil; vatican

1 posted on 07/10/2011 3:15:29 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

AH!.. the french are blowing their noses on the surrender flag.. or wiping “something”...


2 posted on 07/10/2011 3:17:34 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: tobyhill

“Days, not weeks”

No one seems to ask Obama why.


3 posted on 07/10/2011 3:17:41 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: tobyhill
Pitiful sod can't do anything right.
4 posted on 07/10/2011 3:17:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: PDGearhead

Because Obama needs to bomb the daylights out of people who don’t care a bit about how moral he is on only fighting the “right wars”. He is very well involved in his own version of a “dumb war” against Libya anyways.


5 posted on 07/10/2011 3:20:51 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: tobyhill

“Washington said it stood firm in its belief that the Libyan leader cannot stay in power.”

That would blemish the stealth jihad called the “Arab Spring”. How was it again that the Nobel Peace Prize went to lil’ hoodlum Xerxes?


6 posted on 07/10/2011 3:21:27 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: tobyhill

Let’s see what losing a war does for Obama’s reelection prospects.


7 posted on 07/10/2011 3:22:50 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Pitiful sod can’t do anything right.”

You must have missed the photos of him fellating a strawberry and deep throating a hot dog. He is also a poet.


8 posted on 07/10/2011 3:26:11 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: SeeSharp

Let’s see what losing a war does for Obama’s reelection prospects.

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If he succeeds in killing Qaddafi, his Nation of Islam credentials are going to take a serious hit. This is actually a lose/lose murder adventure he and Hillary have embarked on. Well, not for her.


9 posted on 07/10/2011 3:28:35 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: All

Politics and foreign policy Do Not Matter.

Only oil matters and they are getting increasingly desperate with Brent at $118 / barrel (which we pay for imports, which is most of what we burn).

Oil is everything.


10 posted on 07/10/2011 3:31:11 PM PDT by Owen
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To: All

Politics and foreign policy Do Not Matter.

Only oil matters and they are getting increasingly desperate with Brent at $118 / barrel (which we pay for imports, which is most of what we burn).

Oil is everything.


11 posted on 07/10/2011 3:31:15 PM PDT by Owen
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To: tobyhill
European oil companies saw the revolutions sweeping across northern Africa this spring as inevitably removing Gaddafi, so they wanted to use our and the European militaries to get that done with quickly. Now that Gaddafi's overflow doesn't look inevitable, they want peace quickly with any terms. They really don't care who's in charge or what's happening to the civilians just so long as the oil flows.

I still haven't figured out our interests in it.

12 posted on 07/10/2011 3:32:10 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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To: SeeSharp

Let’s see what losing a war does for Obama’s reelection prospects.


His supporters couldn’t care less. They probably think the disaster going on in Libya has been going on since Bush. That’s how stupid and out of touch too many people are. It’s disgusting.


13 posted on 07/10/2011 3:35:17 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Owen

We don’t use Libyan oil, that goes to Europe exclusively.


14 posted on 07/10/2011 3:37:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: PDGearhead

Maybe he was hoping this little non war would drive the price of oil sky high


15 posted on 07/10/2011 3:39:08 PM PDT by molson209
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To: KarlInOhio

.. we have a interest as the largest muslim nation, to follow obama in his quest of consolidating the Mid East (under the MB guidance) to complete the North African Caliphate.

The excuse was democracy, however I tinks Ghadaffi did not want to fold into the caliphate.


16 posted on 07/10/2011 3:39:36 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: tobyhill

That’s really funny apart for the dead and wounded


17 posted on 07/10/2011 3:45:23 PM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: cripplecreek

The world uses it. We pay Brent prices for our huge oil imports and they are higher because Libya’s oil is not on the market. Of course, every day that passes other fields elsewhere are dying so that when Libya finally comes back online, it may not generate more global oil flowing than in February.

Oil is everything.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 3:46:07 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Psalm 144
This is about money and about George Soros wanting to control that $5T which Libya represents.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/289-134/5625-libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking

19 posted on 07/10/2011 4:22:16 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: tobyhill
By JAKE TAPPER (@jaketapper) , HUMA KHAN and MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz)
March 18, 2011
President Obama told a bipartisan group of members of Congress today that he expects the U.S. would be actively involved in any military action against Libya for “days, not weeks,” after which he said the U.S. would take more of a supporting role, sources tell ABC News.

The White House meeting with 18 lawmakers came as Obama delivered an ultimatum to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi that he must immediately implement a ceasefire in all parts of Libya and allow international humanitarian assistance, or risk military....yatta...yatta

Obie choked!

20 posted on 07/10/2011 4:23:01 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: tobyhill

Jug Ears couldnt find his ass with two hands and a map, and you are surprised...


21 posted on 07/10/2011 4:25:50 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: tobyhill
There are two thing necessary for Obummer to effectively lose the Libyan war, and those are:

1) Libyan oil production is redirected to China for purchase, and

2) Mo holds on to the Libyan gold in the treasury, denying it to the IMF.

If those events occur, Obummer has lost the war.

Additionally, if Qaddafi retains some sort of title and remains in Libya through a negotiated peace of any kind, then Zer0 will be perceived to have lost COMPLETELY, even if Mo gives up the oil income to the Muslim Brotherhood.

22 posted on 07/10/2011 4:29:05 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: tobyhill

Liberals love illegal wars for oil.


23 posted on 07/10/2011 4:43:26 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: cripplecreek; Owen

Any oil removed from the world supply chain effects other distribution points as consumers look to make up the loss.


24 posted on 07/10/2011 4:46:07 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Owen

re: Oil is everything.

And there’s plenty of Brent light in the Gulf of Mexico, which we’re not allowed to get to...


25 posted on 07/10/2011 4:47:46 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Tempest
Any oil removed from the world supply chain effects other distribution points as consumers look to make up the loss.

This much is true. In fact I was just reading about France and Italy looking elsewhere.
26 posted on 07/10/2011 4:48:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: hosepipe



27 posted on 07/10/2011 5:36:03 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness smelled around the earth.)
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To: tobyhill

You can’t negotiate or ‘talk to’ a madman dictator. Remember Saddam Hussein talked his sons-in-law, who’d challenged him, to return to Iraq with his daughters, all’s cool? He summarily executed them. Does anyone think Qaddafi is any different?


28 posted on 07/10/2011 5:40:55 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: tobyhill

Looks like the French were pretty far off on this one!


29 posted on 08/23/2011 8:45:06 AM PDT by Mudcat (What would Reagan do?)
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To: Mudcat

There will always be Daffy Loyalist and now there will be civil war for decades.


30 posted on 08/23/2011 8:48:23 AM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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