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France tells Libya rebels to seek peace with Gaddafi
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Posted on 07/10/2011 7:51:25 PM PDT by chuckee

A French minister said on Sunday it was time for Libya's rebels to negotiate with Muammar Gaddafi's government, but Washington said it stood firm in its belief that the Libyan leader cannot stay in power.

The diverging messages from two leading members of the Western coalition opposing Gaddafi hinted at the strain the alliance is under after more than three months of air strikes that have cost billions of dollars and failed to produce the swift outcome its backers had expected.

French Defense Minister Gerard Longuet signaled growing impatience with the progress of the conflict when he said the rebels should negotiate now with Gaddafi's government and not wait for his defeat.

The rebels have so far refused to hold talks as long as Gaddafi is still in power, a stance which before now none of NATO's major powers has publicly challenged.

"We have .... have asked them to speak to each other," Longuet, whose government has until now been among the most hawkish on Libya, said on French television station BFM TV.

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The French teaching the rebels the art of preemptive surrender.The French were at the forefront lobbying to get us into this war and will leave Obama holding the bag with Gaddafi still in place.That is what happens when you lead from behind.
1 posted on 07/10/2011 7:52:04 PM PDT by chuckee
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Earlier: France tells Libya rebels to seek peace with Gaddafi (Obama's losing his illegal war).
3 posted on 07/10/2011 7:58:44 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

Why am I not unhappy?


4 posted on 07/10/2011 8:01:20 PM PDT by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: Steely Tom

Why am I not unhappy?


5 posted on 07/10/2011 8:01:45 PM PDT by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: chuckee
Just in time for the election. (War? What war?)


6 posted on 07/10/2011 8:01:55 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garypolitze

Yes, the Moslem brotherhood is far worse.
It will be interesting to read the history of all of this; from 1969 until just a few years ago every leftist America hating person loved Kaddafi. They abandoned him. Why?


7 posted on 07/10/2011 8:04:06 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: chuckee

What now Barry?

LOL


8 posted on 07/10/2011 8:06:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: chuckee

Obama stepped on his Johnson———again.

This time he even angered his pal Calypso Louie Farrakhan.

Dumber than a box of rocks.


9 posted on 07/10/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: garypolitze

Me too. I’m rooting for the guy....We don’t know who these rebels are.

He’s going to be like Castro was after the Bay of Pigs.


10 posted on 07/10/2011 8:07:00 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Maine Mariner

Kaddafi has become an anti-Islamist in recent years. That’s why.


11 posted on 07/10/2011 8:07:04 PM PDT by Borough Park
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To: chuckee

Perfidious Albion has now become perfidious NATO. They know zero won’t lose this war so they’re dumping it on the U.S. taxpayer. The French aren’t as stupid as we’d like to believe.


12 posted on 07/10/2011 8:07:51 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: chuckee

FRANCE SURRENDERS AGAIN


13 posted on 07/10/2011 8:09:08 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Maine Mariner

He went against Soro’s and the One World Order.


14 posted on 07/10/2011 8:10:04 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: chuckee
The Phrench send in their latest missle:

PhrenchMissile

15 posted on 07/10/2011 8:11:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: garypolitze

As much as I dislike Obama, I do not hope Gaddafi wins.If we are in a war even one like this without any vital national interest, I still favor victory. I hope Gaddafi ends up on the dumb end of a smart bomb.My issue is that we should not be in this war in the first place.That Obama defaulted to France’s leadership and their national interests. France is a terrible ally not to be trusted leading anything other than a white flag parade.


16 posted on 07/10/2011 8:12:07 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Borough Park; jafojeffsurf

You are both right!


17 posted on 07/10/2011 8:15:53 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: chuckee

The price of oil is going to go up in Europe. I doubt that Gaddafi will make nice easily. I seriously suspect that he will nationalize all Europe’s oil company holdings in the country and extract a large price from them to continue the oil shipments to them rather than China.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 8:22:36 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: chuckee

Oh dear!

Obama thrown under the bus my Sarkosy LoL


19 posted on 07/10/2011 8:27:45 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Maine Mariner

“It will be interesting to read the history of all of this; from 1969 until just a few years ago every leftist America hating person loved Kaddafi. They abandoned him. Why?”

Easy answer. Bush successfully turned Qaddafi into a U.S. asset during the recent war on terror. Qaddafi was an informant of ours in recent years, according to reports. Huma Abedin must have had a toe curling moment of sublime ecstasy when mostly U.S. forces in NATO proceeded to help the jihadists in attacking one of our own sources who was one of their turncoats, and one procured by Bush at that. Win/win/win/win/win for the globalist and jihadist amalgam that is the current left.

Conservatives are mad over the unconstitutional and unprovoked aggression (and ought be over the equally vile use of US forces as janisseries for the UN), while an important part of Obama’s Chicago base is enraged over the attack on Qaddafi who is their benefactor and ‘brother’. This is the event for which Obama should be impeached. His base is divided on the issue, Obama has seized the powers of a warlord rather than a commander in chief and it would also damage the Secretary of State and her busy little helper. Multiple wins for us . . . If their was a party to represent us in Congress.


20 posted on 07/10/2011 8:30:14 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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I do not hope Gaddafi wins

Oh please hope that he does! The repels are raping and pillaging the women. They are anarchist We shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. As wicked as Gaddafi is, "life" under the rebels will be so much worse. Look at the chaos in Egypt.

21 posted on 07/10/2011 8:32:16 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: chuckee
I do not hope Gaddafi wins

Oh please hope that he does! The repels are raping and pillaging the women. They are anarchist We shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. As wicked as Gaddafi is, "life" under the rebels will be so much worse. Look at the chaos in Egypt.

22 posted on 07/10/2011 8:32:37 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: chuckee
Tells me the peoples of France are as pissed about this war for oil as Americans.
23 posted on 07/10/2011 8:38:00 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: chuckee

Victory in an illegal war is to get out, we are doing more harm to ourselves than anyone else. We just showed the whole damn world the word of the president is not worth spit. Bush made piece with daffy.


24 posted on 07/10/2011 8:42:09 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: WestwardHo
True . But you must admit the “rebels” do look better in their new war costumes. If the Eurodopes lose this 3rd rate oil theft escapade , BP better get ready to give up their rigs and infrastructure . Not to mention , #12 per gallon gas in France and Italy. We all want the dictator to be vaporized but , this is an act of naked aggression to steal a countries natural resources . The Billions we waste on this misadventure , we will never get back.
25 posted on 07/10/2011 8:44:09 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: chuckee

I busted out laughing when I read the headline——do the French not know anything about victory or have they always liked surrendering?


26 posted on 07/10/2011 8:47:00 PM PDT by Tea Party Reveler
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“I busted out laughing when I read the headline——do the French not know anything about victory or have they always liked surrendering?”

They never recovered from the Great War, when they fought with a tenacity that is mind boggling. They have been pansies ever since that massive effort in futility and bloodletting. A lesson for the wise in that.


27 posted on 07/10/2011 8:55:55 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: chuckee
"We have .... have asked them to speak to each other," Longuet, whose government has until now been among the most hawkish on Libya, said on French television station BFM TV.

In short, France having secured a back room deal with Qaddafi over oil deliveries, now wants to stand down, the war they started unfinished. Why am I *not* surprised?

the infowarrior

28 posted on 07/10/2011 9:04:52 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Psalm 144; chuckee; spyone; nikos1121; Maine Mariner

As much as I dislike Obama, I do not hope Gaddafi wins.
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Gaddafi was giving us info on the Islamists in eastern Libya, who were recruited to kill our troops in Afghanistan.
(our own Gov report said that was the top area in the world for recruits). Guess who the rebels are...
i dislike Gaddafi, but i certainly don’t think the rebel Islamists winning, are good for us in the long run.

Maine Mariner and Psalm 144 summed it up great
(and pointed out the Muslim Brotherhood agent advising our US Sec of State!):
“Bush successfully turned Qaddafi into a U.S. asset during the recent war on terror. Qaddafi was an informant of ours in recent years, according to reports. Huma Abedin must have had a toe curling moment of sublime ecstasy when mostly U.S. forces in NATO proceeded to help the jihadists in attacking one of our own sources who was one of their turncoats, ...”


29 posted on 07/10/2011 9:09:17 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: chuckee
Didn't our military leaders advise Obama against getting involved because they knew what we are doing there wouldn't be enough to remove Gaddafi from power, leaving us with the choices of getting involved in a much larger capacity or just quitting and further tarnishing our image? Not to mention there is no advantage for us if the rebels win their civil war.

Now the war has gotten too hard for France so they are about to quit. That's the attitude of many in the west these days. That's why we need to stop getting involved in wars. We don't take them serious and too many people are ready to quit as soon as it gets “hard”. They have no problem getting a lot of people killed and then just quitting like it's nothing serious. Libya is having a civil war and neither side is on our side.

I'm just sick of the U.S. getting involved in wars that are never ending because we don't fight to win. If a war isn't important enough to win at all cost then it's not a war important enough to be involved in. All our enemies understand that if they can prolong a war there will be a good chance we will just quit, and with the way we fight wars these days it's not hard to prolong them.

We have the best trained and equipped troops in the world. We have the most advanced weapons in the world; but instead of using them to their full potential we restrict them to the point we give enemies that would have no chance or hope of victory enough to keep them going while we get our guys killed and spend huge amounts of money with no end in sight. We shouldn't have ever been involved in Libya. We can't even finish our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because we don't fight wars to win anymore.

Those wars should have been finished while Bush was still in office. How can those wars last so long compared to the huge war that was WW2? It's because the government and the people were willing to win at all cost back then. Now we have top officials apologizing for every accidental civilian death. Civilians are going to die in wars. Sometimes a target is important enough to the war effort that you must kill civilians in the surrounding area to take it out. It's an unfortunate reality of war, and if you can't handle it then don't get us involved in a war. No matter how just the cause of war is it will still involve the killing of innocent people caught in the middle. Our enemies have us figured out and exploit our self made weaknesses. I don't want our nation involved in anymore wars unless it's important enough that we are willing to fight a total war.

30 posted on 07/10/2011 9:11:51 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Illegal immigration is a bigger security threat to our nation than any terrorist group.)
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To: fantom

“If the Eurodopes lose this 3rd rate oil theft escapade”

I just finished reading the post “Italy and Spain Need a Miracle.”
The Continent doesn’t have any money to fight this war.
Here we are on the cusp of The New World Order and it’s all falling apart...again!
I think it’s a conspiracy to dismantle the UN. At this rate no will afford the plane fair to attend the next conference.
I was so full of hope, hype and change.


31 posted on 07/10/2011 9:12:42 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: nikos1121

Under Obama, the rules of engagment is preventing our troops from winning in Afghanistan.
yet Obama is happy to drop over 2,000 smart bombs, etc., on Libya?
...research isn’t needed. it’s simple. we know who’s side Obama is on:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction,”


32 posted on 07/10/2011 9:15:16 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks chuckee.
33 posted on 07/10/2011 9:19:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: chuckee

LOL This is too funny. Too bad NATO had to kill so many Libyan bystanders to bring us another French surrender joke.


34 posted on 07/10/2011 9:19:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Psalm 144

Spot on assessment.


35 posted on 07/10/2011 9:23:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: chuckee

I just hope Obama does not start supporting “democracy” movements in Yemen which will give Yemenites a choice as to which wing of Al Qaeda they want running the country. People in the Mideast do not care a whit about democracy. These are riots over escalating food costs and the lack of jobs which the media characterizes as democracy movements.If they had food on the table and a job they would abide any tyrant that runs their government.


36 posted on 07/10/2011 9:35:10 PM PDT by chuckee
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I hope kaddafi wins.

I thought I was the only one that thought that way. If ever there was a war that we don't belong anywhere near, this is it. The U.S. doesn't "win" no matter which side wins.

37 posted on 07/10/2011 9:35:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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Oh I fear the Moslem Brotherhood and the Islamists far
more than Kaddafi.


38 posted on 07/10/2011 10:04:55 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: mylife
Exactly correct. The French persuaded Zer0 to undertake his most excellent adventure against Libya's Qaddafi. NATO joined the bandwagon as Barry had the U.S. military do the heavy lifting the atrophied Western Europe NATO countries could no longer do.

Zer0 will probably declare victory and run; the Euro trash will now have to deal with a totally p.o.’ed Qaddafi for their energy needs (oil that they'd hoped to steal). In so far as Sarkozy and the French go — let them eat cake.

39 posted on 07/10/2011 10:10:41 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: jennings2004
Why am I not unhappy?

You are HAPPY because SUBCONCIOUSLY you realize that a POTUS using American forces illegally to overthrow a LIbian government to put rebels in power that are AL QAEDA stinks beyond belief.

You may have heard Obama wants to give tanks to Egypt. WHY? Again subconciously you probably know Egypt will be run by the Muslim Brotherhood who are sworn to destroy Israel.

You probably remember Barry Hussein DEMANDED Israel return to pre-1967 borders. This, again subconciously because Americans would never think independently, means Barry Hussein wants Israel to move to allow the Muslim hordes from Iran, Egypt, Libya etc. to kill Jews.

Will the Government sensors and then the press tell you that Barry Hussein really is a Muslim after all? Probably not. To know the truth, you'll have to figure out WHY Barry Hussein is doing all these pro Muslim but anti-American things.

40 posted on 07/11/2011 2:58:15 AM PDT by politicianslie (Democrats are COMMUNIST, Repubs are SOCIALIST, and Barry's a Muslim manipulating USEFUL RINO IDIOTS)
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To: TigersEye
Don't pretend you care about Libyan civilians. You sure don't care about the ones Kadaffy has killed, not to mention the innocent Americans he's killed. Anyone who roots for the muslim terrorist Kaddafy is a god-damn traitor to the USA and the innocent Americans murdered by that animal.

All you can do is say boohoo evil USA kills poor innocent muslims with bombs boohoo why oh why do they hate us!?

41 posted on 07/11/2011 12:06:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I do care about them. I’m not rooting for Gaddafi. The suggestion that I am is a lie. Not a surprise coming from a nutter like you.


42 posted on 07/11/2011 12:19:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye
I suggested nothing. Repugnant terrorist-lovers are openly rooting for Kadaffy to win right here on this very thread. If you disagree with them and do not consider yourslef one of them I'm glad to hear you say so! Such repulsive statements should be condemned and I at least will do so!

Kadaffy's disgusting cheerleaders speak only for their own little circlejerk echo-chamber!

43 posted on 07/11/2011 12:27:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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I don't care what happens to Gaddafi. I care more about what happens to our Traitor in Chief. I think he's far more of a danger to the U.S. now than Gaddafi ever has been. I've told you before that this operation makes our foreign policy look schizophrenic and it does. Gaddafi is a nasty guy be we took it upon ourselves, under W. Bush, to make amends and accept concessions from him and our asshat current Pres. jumps out of left field and attacks him with absolutely no national or security interest in it.

As far as civilians go; far fewer would have died had Gaddafi quickly put down the rebellion. I guess that sounds cold but how it sounds is just an emotional response. It's still a fact that fewer would have died.

44 posted on 07/11/2011 1:05:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye
I only care what happens to Kadaffy. He is the terrorist who blew up innocent American civilians. Some people want him to get away with that just because they want to defend Bush's policy or just because they don't like Obama. They are no better than the RATS who rooted for Saddam. I for one will never support America's enemies no matter who is POTUS.

Kadaffy made no concessions to us. He has never paid for his crimes in any way. He got US corporations like Halliburton and Occidental Petroleum to pay money to the families of his American victims so they could seal lucrative contracts with him!

They betrayed the American people for money!

45 posted on 07/11/2011 1:21:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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I only care what happens to Kadaffy.

Yes, I know. Your complete disregard for common sense is puzzling.

He is the terrorist who blew up innocent American civilians.

Your lack of common sense is fueled by irrational hatred, yes, I know that too.

Some people want him to get away with that just because they want to defend Bush's policy or just because they don't like Obama.

No, some people have enough regard for our country to use their brains and think about what is best for the country rather than their own personal neurotic desires for vengeance for acts that were long ago let go of by rational leaders.

46 posted on 07/11/2011 1:29:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye
Let's see, Kadaffy blew up innocent Americans and you don't care whether he ever pays for it or not, but I'm the one who's irrational?

What's best for America is that terrorists who kill us can get away with it scot free and if we don't want our leaders to make deals with him then we are full of hatred?

Yeah that sounds real smart and rational and wise, not.

47 posted on 07/11/2011 1:40:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The point is that our leaders already made deals with him. Sane people deal with what is not what they want things to be.
48 posted on 07/11/2011 1:44:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye
You just lack vision.

Trust me, my view is the one which will win out, regardless of how popular or unpopular it might be around here right now.

Imam Obama has stabbed our European allies in the back and is busy securing victory for Jeremiah Wright and Farrakhan's good comrade Kadaffy in his war against America. That is why our NATO allies are now negotiating with Kadaffy.

This will be an election issue. Obama will be replaced by someone who will promise to do what Obama refused to do and remove Kadaffy from power. It won't be Ron Paul or anyone else who agrees with the far-left Kucinich and Conyers wing of the RAT party either!

49 posted on 07/11/2011 2:56:33 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Imam Obama has stabbed our European allies in the back and is busy securing victory for Jeremiah Wright and Farrakhan's good comrade Kadaffy in his war against America. That is why our NATO allies are now negotiating with Kadaffy.

Yeah, from all indications that is what is happening. /s ROTFLOL

50 posted on 07/11/2011 3:04:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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