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A "Normal Party" and the Difference Between Bush and Perry
Commentary Magazine ^ | July 5, 2011 | Jonathon S. Tobin, Contentions

Posted on 07/11/2011 3:30:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

According to the New York Times’ David Brooks, Republican hardliners against tax increases are turning the GOP into a “psychological protest” rather than a “normal political party.” Brooks is upset that after having forced Democrats to come far closer to their position on taxes and spending in order to cut a deal to extend the national debt ceiling, there is little chance the House majority will embrace what he considers to be “the deal of the century.”

To Brooks, the Democrats’ offer on the debt ceiling is the “Mother of All No-Brainers,” and his anger at the GOP’s insistence that no taxes, including those the columnist minimizes as mere loophole closing, is more than a bit over the top. He blasts them as insensible to the “logic of compromise” or the “legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities.” Those opposed to the raising of some tax rates aren’t merely wrong, they “have no sense of moral decency,” since he thinks their brinksmanship with the Democrats over the debt means they don’t care if the nation defaults on its sacred pledge to pay back what it owes (even though the chances of an actual federal bankruptcy are fairly slim).

It is fascinating that a writer who usually seems more interested in sociology than in politics (and who has written brilliantly about the former in his classic Bobos in Paradise) seems so little interested in what has driven the “protest movement” that has transformed the Republicans.

Part of the answer comes in an article published in the Times on the same day as his column. Though ostensibly focused on the feud between Texas Governor Rick Perry and his predecessor in Austin, President George W. Bush, the piece highlights the disgust many in the GOP felt about the big-spending Republican Congress that ruled on Capitol Hill until the Democratic victory in the fall of 2006. Perry’s charge that Bush was never a fiscal conservative rings true for Republicans who regretted the expansion of federal spending that took place under the 43rd president, even though his record has since been eclipsed by the schemes advocated by Barack Obama.

It is clear Bush’s inner circle has no more use for Perry than Brooks has for the Tea Party, but this dispute is about more than personalities. In 1994, Republicans won the Congress pledging to fight for a smaller government but within 12 years had become as addicted to earmarks, legislative pork and massive government spending as their opponents. Many Republicans believed the 2006 election was just comeuppance for that failure and hope the GOP majority elected last fall won’t make the same mistake. That fear of the slippery slope of Washington compromises is what animates the resistance from both grass roots Republicans and the GOP House caucus to the “sweet” deal offered by the Democrats.

Brooks may be correct this compromise could be seen (if viewed in a historical context) as a victory for Republican principles, but it is just as easy to see it as the first step toward a “normal” government that will inevitably raise taxes rather than cut entitlements. That sentiment may seem irresponsible to the columnist, but it’s the inevitable response to the GOP’s recent history of abandoning principle once in office.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
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Interesting piece.

It isn't about Bush and Perry, it's about the economy, here and now -- policy vs personality.

...It is clear Bush’s inner circle has no more use for Perry than Brooks has for the Tea Party, but this dispute is about more than personalities.

More on the "personal feud" thing is addressed here:

July 10, 2011 -- Douglas MacKinnon: Don't believe the anonymous chatter about a Perry-Bush feud

"Let the exaggerated feud continue.

As expected, some in the media and some in the sandbox of politics, are trying to make more out of some honest differences of opinion between Gov. Rick Perry and former President George W. Bush than really exist. Hey, everybody needs a hobby.

The New York Times recently offered up th headline "Perry Breaks With A Fellow Texan: Bush." Really? No, but maybe so it could amuse itself, the Grey Lady has decided to put out headlines better suited for one of the city's famous tabloids.

For all of those trying to make that into something it's not, I've got some news for you. Most Republicans, conservatives, independents and Americans who are paying attention could care less. Ultimately they just want to know two things: Is Perry going to run, and if he is, does he represent the adult leadership the voters are so desperately seeking?....

..One reason so many Americans are turned off by politics is precisely because of anonymous quotes from clowns like these. David Carney, a top adviser to Perry, has said time and again, "Nothing to see here. Move on.".....

1 posted on 07/11/2011 3:30:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So is Perry a part of the republican establishment, or isn’t he?

That’s part of the danger of having such a large liberal media in a conservative country. They put out so much propaganda it’s hard to know what to do or what to think.


2 posted on 07/11/2011 3:46:43 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Make that 501 or is it 502 now?


3 posted on 07/11/2011 3:56:28 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Rick Perry is seen as the bridge from "old" to "new" -- "lost" to "motivated" -- "rolling backward" to "pushing forward" -- "federal control" to "states' rights."

CUT spending.

CUT taxes.

CUT regulations.

4 posted on 07/11/2011 3:56:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: catfish1957

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, though not a formally declared candidate, came in third in the straw poll.

July 10, 2011/Washington Times: Job creators score in straw poll

5 posted on 07/11/2011 4:00:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
So is Perry a part of the republican establishment, or isn’t he?

Yes he is, and that is what condemns the Republican Establishment, to-wit, Brooks's refusal to discern what the Democrats are doing to undermine Republican commitment to principle (which gave us 2006) is also the RNC's, and that failure is the failure of the stock-in-trade of any would-be columnist and any would-be political leader. It's a failure of vision, discernment, and judgment.

Brooks earns a FAIL, and the GOP Establishment is on the verge of earning their own.

If on the other hand you view Brooks more cynically as a house patsy for the Old Grey Whore, then he's just earning his paycheck.

6 posted on 07/11/2011 4:05:04 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry is seen as the bridge from "old" to "new" -- "lost" to "motivated" -- "rolling backward" to "pushing forward" -- "federal control" to "states' rights."

Blah, blah, blah -- all atmospherics. Where's the beef?!

Where does Rick Perry stand on giving Mexican nationals the vote? He wants to give them a "card" very much like the Mexican matricula consular -- very, very close to giving them Texas driver's licenses, and to giving them voter-registration cards. Motor-voter, remember?

Where does Rick Perry stand on giving away U.S. sovereignty? He talks about "states' rights" as if he thought the 10th Amendment meant something ...... but then he kowtows to the President of Mexico on the "NAFTA Highway".

Where did Rick Perry come down on (illegal) gay adoptions of kids under the orphanage care of CPS? In favor, that's where -- he didn't lift a finger to protect the whistleblower who was fired when Perry was Lite Governor with all sorts of budget and political power over CPS.

Where did Rick Perry come down on passing a law like Arizona's, to try to protect border residents who are being overrun by drug mules and coyotes transporting thousands of people and tons of narcotics across Texas's long border with Mexico?

Where's Perry on the border fence? (Hint: Nowhere!)

Start reviewing his positions one at a time, and it turns out he's only as "conservative" as he minimally needs to be to keep from being thrown out of office on his butt!

He was good for 40% of the general-election vote in 2006, and we're supposed to be overawed by his political pull?

7 posted on 07/11/2011 4:14:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Seen as a bridge? By whom?

I think that more than anything the thing that bothers me about Perry is that he isn’t getting the usual conservative treatment.

The media is usually the canary in the coal mine when it comes to conservatives. But they don’t react that way with Perry. It truely bothers me.

I mean, Bachmann for example. Every time she opens her mouth and speaks, and even when she says things that are 100% true, the media lies, calls it a gaffe, and then it becomes a snowball on other shows/papers. They’re Palinizing her in a way.

I think part of the problem is that he hasn’t announced yet. Everything we’re getting is third party.


8 posted on 07/11/2011 4:18:56 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I think brooks wears multiple hats. He’s a mouthpiece for big government republicans, he’s a mouthpiece for the big government media, and he’ll even be a mouthpiece for big government leftists if it’s a team up against small government constitutionalists.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2419244/posts


9 posted on 07/11/2011 4:21:53 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rush gutted this guy Friday... brooks has no balls or brains left after Rush turned on him. brooks is now a dim... just like krauthammer and other beltway liberals... they like their republicrat party... too bad for them... we may end up having to completely kill it off.

LLS

10 posted on 07/11/2011 4:39:16 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Perry will say anything to get elected. He is a globalist RINO poser.


11 posted on 07/11/2011 4:39:58 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I saw Rick Parry interviewed by Jon Stewart awhile back. All you need to know about Parry is that he’s a big states’ rights guy who has little time for the intrusion of the federal government and he’s a capitalist with a capital C.

Oh, and he’s a former Air Force captain.

At this point, that’s enough for me.


12 posted on 07/11/2011 4:48:07 AM PDT by MNnice (Showing fresh signs of liberalitis, the strain of the orbital muscles due to excessive eye rolling)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
So is Perry a part of the republican establishment, or isn’t he?

Well, it depends. If you're from Texas, you'll likely know about Perry's past and what he's pushed for, and say he's best described as a RINO who's only been conservative when its campaign season, yet still a better choice than the competition. If you're not from Texas, then yea, he's an awesome conservative candidate :/
13 posted on 07/11/2011 4:54:45 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: catfish1957

How about sayin who you think is best to support instead to worrying about C-W so much.


14 posted on 07/11/2011 5:28:01 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: ViLaLuz
Perry will say anything to get elected. He is a globalist RINO poser.

We have a winner!

15 posted on 07/11/2011 5:30:28 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It is clear Bush’s inner circle has no more use for Perry than Brooks has for the Tea Party,..."

That's the best endorsement for Perry I've seen so far. The Bushleaguers have caused perhaps irreparable harm to the GOP.

16 posted on 07/11/2011 5:30:48 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (If we can't reimpose conservatives principles on the GOP at this point, we never will.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I heard Rush take on Brooks.

From this article it looks like Jonathon S. Tobin agrees.


17 posted on 07/11/2011 5:30:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; All
For starters, Rick Perry has taken on the #1 and #2 money and muscle contributors to the Democratic Party and passed Voter Photo ID. Other states are looking at his methods as they struggle with these issues.

Perry's education record distinctly different from Bush's

Higher Education Coalition attack on [Texas Gov. Rick] Perry raises eyebrows

Texas makes losers pay for bringing frivolous lawsuits…. “ [Rick] Perry is in his fourth term in Austin and thus deserves a big chunk of the credit for many of the good things happening in the Lone Star State. Texas also has implemented some of the most significant state-level reforms in the country aimed at reducing or eliminating lawsuit abuse.

The latest of these is a "loser-pays" provision requiring plaintiffs to pay the winners' legal costs in civil suits seeking punitive damages. The provision is included in the 2011 Omnibus Tort Reform Act Perry signed May 30.

In addition to the loser-pays provision, the new law:

• Allows a trial judge to send a question of law directly to the appellate court without requiring all parties to agree if a ruling by a court of appeals could decide the case.

• Allows plaintiffs seeking less than $100,000 in damages to request an expedited civil action.

• Allows a trial court to dismiss a frivolous lawsuit immediately if there is no basis in law or fact for the lawsuit………”

After Six-Year Fight, Perry Signs Voter [Photo] ID into Law

Only 6 states have Voter Photo ID (How does your state measure up?)

Interactive – State by state Voter ID Requirements

This guy in Montana has some thoughts about Rick Perry and how his state might combat environmentalists and lawyers.

July 2, 2011: Legal gamesmanship threatens our energy future (Montana looks to Rick Perry's TX model) “Texas Gov. Rick Perry is able to boast about job growth under his watch, noting that over 265,000 jobs, or nearly 37 percent of the jobs created nationwide since the summer of 2009, have been created in the Lone Star state.

He credits this growth to a few simple conditions: low taxes, a regulatory climate that is fair and predictable, and a legal system that limits frivolous lawsuits. According to the Wall Street Journal, nearly one-fourth of the 70 companies that left California this year relocated to Texas.

18 posted on 07/11/2011 5:58:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mikeus_maximus

Check out Post #18.


19 posted on 07/11/2011 6:00:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It does.

LLS


20 posted on 07/11/2011 6:38:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My..my kids. All this squabbling. If Perry has the votes to win the nomination, good! If Bachmann has the votes to win the nomination, good! If Cain has the votes to win the nomination, good! If Pawlwnty or—God forbidd—even Romney has the votes to win the nomination, then so be it. Don’t get in too much of a huff over who is the purest of them all. None of them are perfect. This is politics. It’s a filthy business no matter who you root for and who you vote for.

Don’t forget who the real enemy is. He sits in the White House and dreams of how better and faster to destroy America in hopes the country will fall like a ripe plum into the grasp of the socialists. Stay united in your desire to replace him.


21 posted on 07/11/2011 6:48:07 AM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: Combat_Liberalism

Bump!


22 posted on 07/11/2011 6:51:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MNnice

You need to learn how to spell his name, it’s PErry. :)


23 posted on 07/11/2011 7:11:20 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: lentulusgracchus

How much was he good for in 2010? There were 4 people in the 2006 race and Strayhorn-Whatver took 18%, which probably would have gone to Perry if she were not drawing the “moderate” RINOs off. 55% of Texans voting for him last year is pretty good, no? The more pressing question to me is who in the current field is more conservative than Perry that actually has a chance to win? I do not see anybody at this time.


24 posted on 07/11/2011 12:24:42 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: isthisnickcool

Thank you. May I add he’s also a crony capitalist in addition to being a globalist RINO poser.


25 posted on 07/11/2011 3:08:13 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: jospehm20
? There were 4 people in the 2006 race and Strayhorn-Whatver took 18%, which probably would have gone to Perry if she were not drawing the “moderate” RINOs off.

In 2006, 100% of Texas voters had a chance to voice their support of Perry, and 60% said, "no thanks, I'm going to go over here and vote for some other person." There were two RiNO's, one Democrat, and one flaky populist Democrat (Kinky) in the 2006 race.

What does that tell you about Rick Perry's political majesty, his authori-tiy </Cartman>, and the public appreciation of his stewardship of the state for the preceding five years?

Using your own number, and adding back Foghorn-Leghorn-Strayhorn's "mean grandma" 18% to Perry's 40% in 2006, that gave non-Democrats 58% of the vote that year ..... declining to 55% six months ago, against a former Texas Democratic Party chairman, well-known ur-liberal and "sanctuary city" practitioner, and generally charisma-less nobody.

The arrows are not pointing up for Rick Perry in Texas.

26 posted on 07/11/2011 3:20:20 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: ViLaLuz
May I add he’s also a crony capitalist in addition to being a globalist RINO poser.

Perry has always been looking for the next golden ring to grab. $$$ is why he pushed the Guardasil thing and why he pushed the TTC. Goodness knows what else he has sold. He needed somewhere to land after leaving office. And he would have left office long ago if he was not time and again the douche running against the turd sandwich. He never has been challenged. I'd bet Perry is as surprised as the rest of us that he is still in office. He is absolutely for sale. I know Bob Perry (great guy but not perfect) and Rick is his beotch....

The kind of odd thing is that if it came down to Perry or Obama that race would be right up Perry's alley because he'd be the less of two evils. Perry won't make a move before Palin does. The fact that he has not jumped in makes me think he knows Palin is going to. And Perry will not run against Palin. That would be, well, work:) But, if he does get in no matter what the situation is I want him to resign as Texas Gov. immediately!

27 posted on 07/11/2011 3:29:35 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: mikeus_maximus
"It is clear Bush’s inner circle has no more use for Perry than Brooks has for the Tea Party,..."

That's the best endorsement for Perry I've seen so far.

How so? He gets his political advice from the same people (Rove, Ailes) and he works for the same people (the Bilderberg bunch and their NWO project).

So how's he different, n/w/s Dubya and Rove have a poor opinion of Perry's acumen?

Bottom line, how is Rick Perry good news for real GOP conservatives?

On the contrary, he's a RiNO and the Establishment's "Judas horse" that Alan Keyes has been warning us about for months.

28 posted on 07/11/2011 3:34:55 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: isthisnickcool
....that race would be right up Perry's alley because he'd be the less of two evils.

You've just described the existential niche of the GOP Establishment.

Being the lesser of two evils, and selling the decrement to the plutocrats who run the Fortune 500.

That is why RiNO's are pallid, loathesome, and useless. They're little white parasites, squirming around in the diseased tissues of the body politic.

And Perry will not run against Palin. That would be, well, work:)

That would be a biblical blowout, a slaughter -- hell, it would be political murder.

And Rick would look bad and go into retirement wearing an "L".

29 posted on 07/11/2011 3:43:42 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I know several Austin lobbyists who say they have been in the room with Bush and Rove when they refer to Perry using the nickname Bush gave Perry - The Dumbass.....

There is no love lost..


30 posted on 07/11/2011 3:53:29 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: isthisnickcool
....the nickname Bush gave Perry - The Dumbass..... There is no love lost..

Right, I hadn't heard that one, but I've heard the "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" characterization, and I stipulated to their disregard.

The question though, is how is Perry different from other RiNO's? And the main one seems to be that he went to Texas A&M, the East Coast snots look down on him, and so he tries harder to brownnose the NWO types.

He's really not much different from Prescott Bush when Pressy was a young ex-shoe salesman from Ohio humping Yankee college boys' legs at good old Yale.

31 posted on 07/11/2011 6:53:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: isthisnickcool

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Palin/Perry ticket.


32 posted on 07/11/2011 7:15:01 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Perry did get 55% in a conservative state a few months ago. That result is much more relevant to today than a 4 way race 5 years ago is. I don’t know where you live but I do not usually get the luxury of voting for my perfect candidate where I vote. I vote for the most conservative in every election. I held my nose and voted McCain in 2008 because he was definitely more conservative than Obama. As badly as McCain sucked, I think it was better than staying home in protest. I want the most conservative Republican nominee that can win in 2012. If Palin does not get in I think that would be Perry, if he gets in. In the end I would vote for any Republican, even Romney, over Obama in the general. I could vote for Bachmann too but I don’t think she has much chance of getting the nomination and will most likely be long done by the time the Texas primary rolls around next year.


33 posted on 07/11/2011 9:49:08 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Perry is a living caricature of everything wrong with politics.

Perry will do or say anything during election season. He’ll do a Joe Arpaio imitation on immmigration, plagarize Reagan stump speeches word-for-word during the primaries, then ‘grudgingly admire’ FDR during the general election (as if he could get that far).

When it comes to governing, he’ll do exactly as his open-borders backers say. I think he’d drop his pants and sing Aura Lee in public if they told him to. Perry thinks ‘principle’ is that SOB that hollered at him for chewing gum during History class.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 7:42:25 AM PDT by CowboyJay
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