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No More ‘Yes Boss,’ Says Pakistani PM, As Rift With U.S. Deepens
CNSNews ^ | 7/11/11 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 07/11/2011 7:50:16 AM PDT by CNSNews

(CNSNews.com) – The days of saying “Yes, boss” to the United States are over, Pakistan Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani said at the weekend, in a further sign of the deepening rift between the two countries.

Confirmation Sunday that the Obama administration has suspended $800 million in aid to the Pakistani military came just days after Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen alleged that Pakistani security officials “sanctioned” the recent murder of a Pakistani journalist investigating jihadist infiltration of the military.

Mullen’s remark drew an angry denial from Islamabad, which earlier set up a commission of inquiry into Saleem Shahzad’s death.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pakitrash

1 posted on 07/11/2011 7:50:18 AM PDT by CNSNews
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To: CNSNews

Hope and Change.


2 posted on 07/11/2011 7:52:57 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: CNSNews

3 posted on 07/11/2011 7:53:49 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A poster on a White House wall on 20 Jan 2013: "Malice doesn't live here anymore")
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To: CNSNews
I guess Pockeestahn isn't run by the Muslim Brotherhood.
4 posted on 07/11/2011 7:56:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: CNSNews

Return the warning to Pakistan.


5 posted on 07/11/2011 7:59:46 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: CNSNews

No More ‘Yes Boss, we got Bin Ladin right here. Had him here for years. Why, you want him for something?’ Says Pakistani PM, As Rift With U.S. Deepens


6 posted on 07/11/2011 8:03:44 AM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy: It frustrates me when people talk about government jobs as if somehow those are worth less.)
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To: CNSNews

Tell Pakistan to f*** themselves and shut off all foreign aid. Pull all our interest out and let India deal with them.

We need to select our ‘friends’ more carefully.


7 posted on 07/11/2011 8:13:01 AM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: CharlyFord

If the Paks dont want to say “yes Boss” then they dont need the BILLIONS we give to them. Screw them.


8 posted on 07/11/2011 8:15:17 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: CNSNews

I thought Obama was supposed to make the world love us, with his gift for oratory. Now he’s irking a nuclear power within an unstable region. I smell a sale to Iran or Yemen coming up.


9 posted on 07/11/2011 8:20:47 AM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: CNSNews
Pakistan's too full of hate to resist biting the hand that feeds it. They hate India and they hate America, and that's pretty much as far as their reasoning goes. They took our money for a good long time to help bolster their defenses against India. Now that they feel pretty good about their military strength, they're turning on us.

We're too stupid to use that leverage against us. We could easily arm India to the point that Pakistan would be outmatched. Or, we could just pull the plug and let the area resettle to normal levels. Pakistan won't be able to maintain their military without us.

Afghanistan is the key. If we need to be there, we need to endure whatever abuse Pakistan throws at us to keep the supply route open. If we don't need to be there, we can pull out and leave Pakistan to the wolves. Until we make that decision, we're stuck pumping billions into them and getting slapped in the face for it.

10 posted on 07/11/2011 8:31:10 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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Oh.... that does not sound very friendly.

thought they were our allies /sarc

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

11 posted on 07/11/2011 8:36:52 AM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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12 posted on 07/11/2011 8:46:27 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Steel Wolf
The last time which Pakistan and India got into an all-out shooting war was December 3, 1971. The war took place on what was then Pakistan's home turf.

It lasted less than two weeks. The Pakistan army involved in the fight outnumbered the Indian Army and Bengali rebels by a ratio of about 2.4 to 1. When it was over, about 1500 Indian and rebel soldiers were dead compared to over 8000 Pakis. Bangladesh was independent.

Remember, this was only 23 years after the partition of Pakistan and India when the countries were pretty evenly matched. In the 40 years since, India has made great advances and Pakistan has become even a worse third world sh*thole than it was then.

Do the math and tell me how long Pakistan would last in a similar one on one match today.

13 posted on 07/11/2011 8:47:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

To make matters much worse for the Pakis, since the mutual development of nukes, India has gone all-out to develop anti-missile missiles, with an eye to blasting anything Pakistan fires at India out of the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ballistic_missile#India

Having been aggressively attacked by Pakistan 3 times officially and 1 undeclared now, the Indians have no illusions about Pakistani intentions. It is a good question though, if Pakistan were even to ineffectively attack India with nuclear missiles, if India would say “to hell with them”, and sterilize their entire country, thus ending their belligerence for good.

For their part, in no way being able to match India’s anti-missile development, Pakistan has been trying to play footsie with both the US and China, the old Cold War game. Now, since the US seems to be bowing out of *that* game, they will probably run into the arms of China. But the Chinese, being no dummies, won’t stick their neck out for the Pakis, with anything remotely like a mutual defense treaty.

So the Pakis will probably turn their wrath on Afghanistan, redoubling their support for the bad guys and drug gangs.


14 posted on 07/11/2011 9:12:28 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Vigilanteman
For somewhat different reasons, I'd say around two weeks. Beyond that, it's going atomic.

Pakistan is a third world sh*thole, bar none, but as military strength goes, they're punching above their weight. They've got a decent armored and aviation setup, and their ISR is pretty competitive. India's more or less matched on those ends, but their massive advantage in infantry power, naval power and logistics would grind Pakistan down.

After a week or two of heavy fighting, Pakistan's advantages would be spent, and they'd start giving ground. Once the armored corps is broken, Indian dismounted reinforcements would flood the border. Then it would turn into a rout for Pakistan and steady march on Islamabad. Somewhere between the loss of the border and the approach of Indian troops around the halfway mark to Islamabad, someone in the Pak military would go hot with their nuclear arsenal. Allegedly, the U.S. helped implement safeguards against this, but no doubt those would be thrown out the window in the first 5 minutes of conflict.

This is assuming that the Pakistanis didn't go nuclear preemptively, of course. There are strong arguments within their military for them to want to go nuclear early. Not the least of which are the loss of capability to U.S. interference or India disabling their launch platforms.

Assuming it didn't go nuclear, for some deus ex machina reason, India's greater industrial, social and technological base would overpower Pakistan in any contest that ran over a month. No question.

I wouldn't draw the concision too far, but North Korea and South Korea have some similarities in that respect. The DPRK and Pakistan have very strong opening hands, but it goes downhill fast after the two week mark. Even a first round knockout isn't really in the cards. It's more of a deterrent against rational enemies like India or South Korea, a point that the leaders of the opposing countries all realize. Of course, lots of wars have started based off of miscalculation.

15 posted on 07/11/2011 9:22:33 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: CNSNews
The days of saying “Yes, boss” to the United States are over, Pakistan Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani said ...

They said 'yes' to Osama too - and Hamas - and anyone else they could shake down. Do we need them? Hell no. Pull out, take our weapons with us and their nukes. They're nothing but trouble.

16 posted on 07/11/2011 9:28:03 AM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
China was a strong ally of Pakistan for decades. The Pak nuclear program and their ballistic missile programs are both creations of the PRC. Most of their military support up through the 1990s was, as well.

At this point, China has more or less backed off. They've ensured that their rival, India, has a major threat to contend with on their border. They don't need to keep their hands in that pot anymore. Pakistan's as dangerous as they're going to get.

There's a number of delivery methods for nuclear weapons, especially if you're open to a sneak attack. I wouldn't pin too much hope on counter-missile systems just yet. It's a smart development, but no magic shield.

As far as sterilizing the country, Pakistan is about five nuclear weapon strikes from being reduced to a bronze age status. Take out the major population centers, and the country will disintegrate. Why spend expensive nuclear weapons to make the rubble bounce?

17 posted on 07/11/2011 9:51:22 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: CNSNews

This article is false because, as everyone knows, Obama’s election meant that the world loves us.

His very being is our foreign policy now.

/obvious sarc


18 posted on 07/11/2011 10:27:42 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: GOPJ

I don’t understand this guy. Is he promising to reduce lying to us in exchange for us paying less? What is the deal here they lie proportional to payments? I’m confused(not).


19 posted on 07/11/2011 10:56:17 AM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: smaug6
“The Pakistani relationship is difficult, but it must be made to work over time,” he said. “But until we get through these difficulties, we’ll hold back some of the money that the American taxpayers have committed to give.”

American taxpayers 'committed' to give? Someone thinks we were born yesterday. Some liberal elite committed to 'give'... sure as hell wasn't me. Or you, smaug. In answer to your question, I think they sell themselves to the highest bidder of the moment... They'll say or do whatever it takes to prime the money pump - if that means giving the illusion they'll lie less often - then so be it - it's what we want to hear - they'll say it... I'm sure they've offered the same deal to Al Qaeda, the Iranians and anyone else they're dealing with - "we'll lie less to YOU... and only you". They'll respect us in the morning...

20 posted on 07/11/2011 12:04:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: Steel Wolf

“Why spend expensive nuclear weapons to make the rubble bounce?”

I’m a big fan of neutron bombs. This uses the weird logic that they don’t care as much about their lives than they do their “stuff”. If every lifeform in Pakistan would just die, it would likely mean that India would get their stuff. And the very thought of their hated enemy getting their stuff is enough to drive them mad.


21 posted on 07/11/2011 12:05:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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