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Posted on 07/11/2011 11:45:33 AM PDT by MNDude

We've all probably noticed an increase in inner-city violence and flash mobs among certain members of society.

As we know, the media tends to be not be very detailed about these attackers.

If the media were to acknowledge more readily the identity of these thugs, would we be any closer to finding solutions to these attacks?

What would you all propose as the best action that should be taken for inner-cities to turn things around a little?


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1 posted on 07/11/2011 11:45:39 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

How about unrestricted concealed carry?


2 posted on 07/11/2011 11:48:20 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: MNDude

My solution is long term: end welfare.

I think this thuggery is largely a result of no-dad families. And I think no-dad families are a result of the welfare state.

Short term, strict law enforcement.


3 posted on 07/11/2011 11:49:07 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: MNDude

>>What would you all propose as the best action that should be taken for inner-cities to turn things around a little<<

CCW and OCW permits widely and quickly available.

I am even OK with a felony background check and a requirement on an NRA-approved firearms handling course.

Heinlein was right: an armed society is a polite society. If violent flashmob members thought they would pay for their anarchy with their lives, they might think twice.

The gun holders OTOH would have to keep them holstered during DANCE flashmobs. Which will be a true test of discipline.


4 posted on 07/11/2011 11:50:58 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: MNDude

The answer my FRiend, Is blowing in the wind...................

5 posted on 07/11/2011 11:51:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: MNDude
I can't wait to hear all the screaming and hollering from certain members of the community the first time one of these flash mobs mess with the wrong person and get the “Bernard Getz” treatment.
6 posted on 07/11/2011 11:53:07 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Persevero

Homeschoolers sure are smart. :)

That’s exactly the right answer.


7 posted on 07/11/2011 11:54:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MNDude

Selective curfew for single-parent households.


8 posted on 07/11/2011 11:55:09 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a Title. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: MNDude

in 2008, was one of the huge increases to minimum wage.
it certainly helped cause the recession, and make it worse.
...yet liberals, still think it is a good thing.

to solve a problem, the FIRST thing is to identify the CAUSE.
Liberals refuse to admit the cause, and actively hide it.

California has a budget deficit of about 25 billion a year.
and benefits to illegals, cost California about 25 billion a year...
Liberals refuse to admit the cause, and actively hide it.

Certainly there are some racist whites.
(although i have not met any in years...)
FBI statistics show, that black on white crime, is hundreds of percent higher than the reverse.
Liberals refuse to admit the cause, and actively hide it.

...and communists income redistribution makes it worse:
http://www.heritage.org/BudgetChartbook/welfare-spending


9 posted on 07/11/2011 11:55:45 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: MNDude

Problems with The Amish and Not the Amish both involve the authorities allowing lawlessness and crime against others to go unpunished. For The Amish, it’s the secular authorities allowing the religious community to handle crimes (which are then largely ignored), and with Not the Amish, the secular authorities allow the community to ignore the crimes.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 11:57:20 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: MNDude

The AA-12 Combat Shotgun


Fully automatic and drum-fed, the AA-12 fires five 12-gauge shotgun shells per second, with extreme reliability and so little recoil that strong men can shoot it Arnie-style with one hand. And if that hail of hot buckshot isn't enough to make both shooter and target need a change of underpants, consider this: it has been developed in conjunction with the FRAG-12 - a new type of shotgun cartridge in which each round is a small, flighted high explosive or fragmentation grenade accurate up to 175 metres.


11 posted on 07/11/2011 11:59:58 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: bopdowah
How about unrestricted concealed carry?

Oh, we've always had that, it's called the 2nd Amendment.
12 posted on 07/11/2011 12:00:42 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (It's not difficult.)
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To: Gondring
A fish rots from the head...or as Gregory Peck says in "12 O' Clock High", "Its always the group commander."


13 posted on 07/11/2011 12:03:02 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Who is Keyser Soze?)
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To: Persevero

Enforce “hate crimes” legislation that is already on the books. OOpps, forgot, hate crimes DO NOT APPLY, when the perps are minorities and the victims are white. Soooooooooo sorry for that mistake.


14 posted on 07/11/2011 12:12:27 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Persevero

Enforce “hate crimes” legislation that is already on the books. OOpps, forgot, hate crimes DO NOT APPLY, when the perps are minorities and the victims are white. Soooooooooo sorry for that mistake.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/november/hate_112210/hate_112210


15 posted on 07/11/2011 12:16:33 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: MNDude

I know it doesn’t sound far, but, the kids are caught, punish the parents. Maybe cut off welfare until all money’s are paid back. Make the kids work for free, at whatever job, doesn’t matter, until they pay back 3x’s what they stole and the cost of court ect. Send the kids to some kind of boot camp. Cut off all welfare that the kid would have gotten once they are off mom’s/grandma’s welfare. We all know most of these kids will go on to have kids, and never get off welfare. And their kids will even be worse then these kids are. These kids have been raised with absolutely no discipline of any kind. Their parents have failed them, government has failed them by throwing money at a problem with absolutely no strings attached, the government run school system has failed them.


16 posted on 07/11/2011 12:26:52 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: apillar

I’m sure we will hear something along the lines of, if only we had more tax dollars we could fix this problem. Oh, and a bunch of white guilt rhetoric.


17 posted on 07/11/2011 12:29:06 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MNDude

End welfare as we know it. Turn it back over to cities and community charities. Years ago when that’s all there was, people felt responsible to work to make their lives better so they could stop counting on the help of their neighbors. Now these people don’t even know where the money comes from and apparently don’t care as long as they get theirs for free.


18 posted on 07/11/2011 12:31:16 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady

work for free? Dat be slavery!


19 posted on 07/11/2011 12:31:33 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: Persevero

It’s hard for younger people to believe, but, there was a time in this country when a girl who got pregnant without a husband couldn’t just go on public assistance.

But, such restrictions were dropped as part of the major AFDC expansion under LBJ.

So, our official governmental policy was to be non-judgemental about how they became pregnant without a husband. The goal was to give them assistance without regard to their circumstances.

And eventually we ended up with a “baby mama” culture, in which we have normalized out of wedlock parenting.

And we normalized an expectation among certain people that there is a government program for every conceivable social problem. The expectation developed that people don’t need to do anything for themselves, but rather, that government programs would take care of their problems.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 12:41:46 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Persevero
Interesting point. How long is it before the ‘thug life’ phenomenon spreads from the Not the Amish community to the paleface community? Illegitimacy rates among the palefaces are now where they were among the Not the Amish in 1965 when the Moynahan report predicted pretty much what has happened to much of the Not the Amish community. The emergence of the ‘slacker’ lifestyle. And the drop in the numbers of men entering college doesn't have a lot to do with feminist venom and a lot to do with the unremarked on e,emergence of a paleface ‘baby mama’ culture and the attendant production of weak, purposeless, unmotivated young men for who drug dealing and petty crime become an exciting way to continue being slackers. Watch and see how the rise of paleface thug lite culture will appear as another baleful indication of a disintegrating culture.
21 posted on 07/11/2011 12:47:05 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: MNDude
"What would you all propose as the best action that should be taken for inner-cities to turn things around a little?"

When it's time to get serious? Napalm....

22 posted on 07/11/2011 12:52:42 PM PDT by libs_kma (JIMMY CARTER - HE'S BACK IN BLACK)
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To: robowombat
"Not the Amish"...
Made me think of "Not the Mama..."


23 posted on 07/11/2011 12:53:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Persevero
My solution is long term: end welfare.

I think this thuggery is largely a result of no-dad families. And I think no-dad families are a result of the welfare state.

Short term, strict law enforcement.

Well said. People who have no self respect, no societal values, and no future. I can't imagine growing up in that environment. Ending welfare, or greatly reducing it will have a dampening effect on the problem, at least in the second generation.

24 posted on 07/11/2011 12:55:18 PM PDT by khenrich (And people thought Jimmy Carter was our worst president........)
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To: MNDude

Availability of jobs, hello


25 posted on 07/11/2011 1:14:09 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MNDude
"What would you propose..."

A slight increase in the number of Kumbaya vanity threads might do the trick.

Wasting time reading them will keep 'em off the street, and trying to decipher some of the "WTF???" wording and phraseing will do wonders for the old GED scores.

26 posted on 07/11/2011 1:16:09 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: khenrich

the destruction of morals is the hippies’ free love fault, not the fault of welfare.

Combine that with

the po po criminalizing teenage behavior so that a kid with a pot infraction can’t get a job

The discretionary spending of the administration so that the economy has tanked and there are no jobs for ANY teens, and those that might be available are competed for by poor slobs who got shown the corporate door

So, there you have it. Hopeless and the only change is things are getting worse


27 posted on 07/11/2011 1:19:43 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Persevero

“I think this thuggery is largely a result of no-dad families. And I think no-dad families are a result of the welfare state.”

I think no-dad families are frequently a big part of the problem - though not the whole problem, and I think “the welfare state” was a negative factor that helped foster a lot of no-dad families - though it was not the only factor and it did not act alone.

Single moms who worked vigorously to keep other positive factors at work in their family - church, strict rules in the home, emphasis on getting an education, were many times able to help their kids overcome the deficit of the no-dad family. I think the biggest problem was the “no-dad family” together with the loss of other positive factors in the family. I am not saying that a “no dad” family is almost always a deficit in some sense. I am only saying a good mom can help to be sure it is not a fatal deficit.


28 posted on 07/11/2011 1:20:58 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: MsLady
End welfare as we know it. Turn it back over to cities and community charities. Years ago when that’s all there was, people felt responsible to work to make their lives better so they could stop counting on the help of their neighbors. Now these people don’t even know where the money comes from and apparently don’t care as long as they get theirs for free.

That's the whole point, isn't it?

The people who would live off the work of others used to have to look that worker in the eye. Every day.

Now, they have been trained to think the government created the money they receive.

29 posted on 07/11/2011 1:22:59 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

You all are being manipulated.
The social and welfare programs did not break us. THE DISCRETIONARY SPENDING OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID.


30 posted on 07/11/2011 1:27:37 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MNDude
"If the media were to acknowledge more readily the identity of these thugs, would we be any closer to finding solutions to these attacks?"

Of course not. The point is not to find social solutions. The cry to detail the race of any black person who does anything criminal is more an example of stirring the racial pot in the hopes that it will stir up whites. There are those who want angry whites to rise up in some aggressive or even violent way and see stirring the pot as a potential means of accomplishing this. This is, in my opinion, the basis for wanting to emphasize the race of black and other nonwhite perpetrators when video has already made their racial makeup quite apparent without it being said.

31 posted on 07/11/2011 1:28:29 PM PDT by LightningStriker2010
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To: yldstrk; khenrich
the destruction of morals is the hippies’ free love fault, not the fault of welfare.

Lol, yldstrk, there wouldn't be as many hippies if there weren't so much welfare.

32 posted on 07/11/2011 1:32:25 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Wuli

“I am only saying a good mom can help to be sure it is not a fatal deficit.”

Absolutely, and kudos to the good moms out there who are trying, while handicapped, to raise their kids right.


33 posted on 07/11/2011 1:34:46 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: yldstrk

...criminalizing teenage behavior so that a kid with a pot infraction can’t get a job.
____________________________________
Believe it or not back in 1965 very few kids did pot and almost all kids were expected to get summer jobs and permanent jobs when they graduated if they did not have the opportunity to attend college.

Life was a whole lot better then. What happened since that time to make your statement come true?


34 posted on 07/11/2011 1:40:28 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: MNDude
What would you all propose as the best action that should be taken for inner-cities to turn things around a little?

Probably as noted several times, the end of the welfare state and other subsidies. That will cause the most constructive individuals within the community to take prominence and force the least constructive to either shape up or suffer in seclusion. Crime will increase but that can be countered with tough law enforcement. In time, people will adjust and adjust for the better. Also, for all Americans, end legal child support, alimony, etc. This will force women to vet men better and to be less inclined to file for divorce. Poor single women will stop getting pregnant (and many non-poor women). It sounds harsh but people will adjust. People need incentive. At one time, blacks had successful townships such as that in Tulsa Oklahoma, Rosewood, etc. They were completely independent and often better off than the neighboring white communities. Such independence would come about again and remain if we don't have the repeat of the violent riots that targeted these townships.

35 posted on 07/11/2011 1:41:14 PM PDT by LightningStriker2010
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To: yldstrk
The discretionary spending by Obama was done in order to funnel money to the DNC.

That doesn't change the fact that welfare breaks the souls of those who take it, and breaks the backs of those who have to work to pay for it.

36 posted on 07/11/2011 2:01:25 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Elendur

Back in the 60’s JFK’s bunch announced an overhaul of the justice system and crime soared. Add to that the legal acceptance of ‘’causal’’ drug use and it soared some more. These liberals have had a great time destroying this country.


37 posted on 07/11/2011 2:49:17 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: robowombat
 
 
I don't know what the social make-up is where you are at, but the "thug life" is already openly well entrenched in the non-minority sector, has been for some time, and in Central Texas at that. I dread having to go near a shopping mall or Walmart, particularly on a weekend, due to having to wade through groups with the stupid clothes, hats, jewelry, tattoos and attitudes. People may say "oh, that's just youngsters expressing themselves through a fad" but there's more to it than that. There's nothing like seeing a man (and I use that term very loosely) well into his 30's in age dressed up like a clown, saying stuff like "wut up, daaaawg" while swaying around a store to make me fear for any peaceful future for this nation.
 
 

38 posted on 07/11/2011 3:11:11 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: lapsus calami
Amen. I live about 35 miles from New Orleans across the lake and the sort of behavior you describe is not yet in bloom. We just have a general culture that encourages dysfunctionality and learned helplessness and is strongly averse to internalizing responsibility. That is a product of two centuries of failed paternalistic and statist regimes. I truly shudder if the sort of thug life style the Not the Amish practice over in the Crescent City starts being mimiced here. There are a fair number of such paleface thug culture aficionados on the West Bank and I can't say i enjoy going there. Find a used copy on Amazon of an old but interesting true crime book entitled ‘Blood Will Tell’ to get a good picture of what West Bank life without ever being reponsible is like.
39 posted on 07/11/2011 3:21:01 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: LightningStriker2010

Huh? You do realize that most of these attacks are not videoed and that the press makes a point of not reporting the race of the attacker?


40 posted on 07/11/2011 4:03:09 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn
I realize that. BUT in instances where video is available, there is still an outcry to emphasize race. Even when no video is available, the outcry is due to the desire to rile up whites moreso than to get a complete description of the attackers. I have seen people angry at a non-reporting of race even though the perps had be apprehended. Can you give a practical reason for their race to be reported under those circumstances?

One of the things that stands out to me is when Van Jones stated that it is overwhelmingly white males who go into schools or other public places and randomly begin shooting strangers, this site went into an uproar. Thus, such a double standard gives me the impression that white advocacy is a strong theme here. The problem is that blacks tend to not want to join a group that practices white advocacy.

41 posted on 07/11/2011 6:58:45 PM PDT by LightningStriker2010
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To: LightningStriker2010

White advocacy? When the media and government constantly emphasize hate crimes legislation, is it so hard to understand that whites expect to be included? The Left practices double standards, while we expect all to be held to only one standard. When these attacks happen, it is assumed that race plays no role in the perpetrators actions, and most of us here beg to differ, given the comments made to the victims during the assaults. Besides which, if no one is standing up for one’s rights, one must do so themselves. If that’s “white advocacy”, then SO BE IT.


42 posted on 07/12/2011 3:59:41 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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