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ATF to Require Information on Frequent Gunbuyers in Border States
AP ^ | July 11, 2011

Posted on 07/11/2011 2:40:53 PM PDT by stevie_d_64

WASHINGTON -- In an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico, the Justice Department announced Monday that all gun shops in four Southwest border states will be required to alert the federal government to frequent buyers of high-powered rifles.

The new policy comes amid criticism of a failed federal probe aimed at dismantling large-scale arms trafficking networks along the Arizona border with Mexico.

In the probe, called Operation Fast and Furious, several agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives say they were inexplicably ordered by superiors to stop tracking some small-time "straw" buyers who purchased large numbers of weapons apparently destined for drug cartels.

Under the new policy, federal firearms licensees in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico must report purchases of two or more of some types of rifles by the same person in a five-day span. The requirement applies to purchases of semi-automatic rifles that have detachable magazines and a caliber of greater than .22.

ATF estimates it will generate 18,000 reports a year.

Deputy Attorney General James Cole said the new reporting measure will improve the ATF's ability to disrupt illegal weapons trafficking networks that funnel firearms to criminal organizations.

One of the critics of Operation Fast and Furious called the new policy "the height of hypocrisy."

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1 posted on 07/11/2011 2:41:00 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: stevie_d_64

Oh Geez.


2 posted on 07/11/2011 2:42:33 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: stevie_d_64
They're going to pretend that it wasn't them who flooded Mexico with guns, even though everybody knows it was.

Something bad needs to happen to these people. Something very bad.

3 posted on 07/11/2011 2:43:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: stevie_d_64

I know a guy who has bought thousands of guns and sent them South knowingly. His initals are BHO.


4 posted on 07/11/2011 2:45:10 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: stevie_d_64

What’s DOJ doing? Trying to limit the competition...?


5 posted on 07/11/2011 2:45:47 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Mikey_1962

Is that fellow a genuine American?


6 posted on 07/11/2011 2:46:16 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: stevie_d_64

I’ll tell you who’s buying most of the rifles in those states, bound for Mexico....

B. HUSSEIN OMOSLEM, and ERIC “BLACK PANTHER” HOLDER.

And they’re paying for the rifles by writing checks drawn on the account named “US TREASURY.”


7 posted on 07/11/2011 2:46:25 PM PDT by LyinLibs (All moslems are somewhere on the killing-you spectrum)
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To: pointsal

NRA Salesman of the Year 2008-2009...


8 posted on 07/11/2011 2:47:34 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

Under what legal authority can they demand the reports?


9 posted on 07/11/2011 2:49:15 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: stevie_d_64

What part of the ATF director Melson has whistleblown Obama and Holder and they should be in jail don’t they understand? Yet they try to shovel through their crap. The audacity is desperate and appalling beyond words.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 2:49:55 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: stevie_d_64

So they want ‘em to report the ATF to the ATF?


11 posted on 07/11/2011 2:50:56 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Jewbacca

Obama and Holder’s and then they will deny they ordered it just like everything else.


12 posted on 07/11/2011 2:51:37 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: stevie_d_64
Gun store owner; “I got a guy here who don't speak English and is buyin’ a wholebunchalotta guns that I'm sure are not for his own use. Pretty sure he's gonna bring them to Mexico”

ATF; “No problemo.....Just make sure you apply the appropriate taxes.”

13 posted on 07/11/2011 2:52:33 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
Y'all ain't gonna like this one!!!


14 posted on 07/11/2011 2:56:48 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: stevie_d_64

Sounds like WE the People need more info on the ATF....


15 posted on 07/11/2011 2:57:14 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: stevie_d_64

You can’t write fiction that rivals the gall and arrogance of the Obama Administration and it Department of (in)Justice.


16 posted on 07/11/2011 2:57:32 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: stevie_d_64
In an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico, the Justice Department announced Monday that all gun shops in four Southwest border states will be required to alert the federal government to frequent buyers of high-powered rifles.

How about shutting down Gunrunner.

17 posted on 07/11/2011 2:59:56 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: stevie_d_64

“small-time “straw” buyers who purchased large numbers of weapons apparently destined for drug cartels.”

Duh, they left out a few details here.


18 posted on 07/11/2011 3:00:16 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: stevie_d_64

DOJ looking for “frequent gun buyers” is like OJ looking for murderers.


19 posted on 07/11/2011 3:00:28 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: stevie_d_64

There’s no legal basis for this requirement. None. The reporting requirements for multiple handguns is explicitly spelled out by an act of Congress.

Presumably the NRA will immediately sue Obama in multiple Federal courts on behalf of hundreds of gun dealers in the affected states.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 3:00:59 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff! (Anybody but Obama for 2012!))
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To: wac3rd; Travis McGee

Yes you can it’s called,

“Enemies, Foriegn and Domestic” by Matthew Bracken


22 posted on 07/11/2011 3:02:12 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

OK, a frequent gun buyer I’d like to report is the ATF itself. Seems they like to buy guns to send to the Mexican drug cartels.


23 posted on 07/11/2011 3:02:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Jewbacca

“Under what legal authority can they demand the reports?”

There’s no legal basis for this requirement. None. The reporting requirements for multiple handguns is explicitly spelled out by an act of Congress. There are no other requirements for multiple purchases of any other types of weapons.

Presumably the NRA will immediately sue Obama in multiple Federal courts on behalf of hundreds of gun dealers in the affected states.


24 posted on 07/11/2011 3:03:57 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff! (Anybody but Obama for 2012!))
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To: samtheman

What are they going to do in Florida where they sell them to use in Honduras.

Still waiting for Issa to open that can of worms.

There are two big wig Drug Cartel leaders from different Cartels saying that Obama/US sold them guns.

One of the leaders is holed up and not allowed to talk to anyone (except lawyer and prison personnel - and not just any prison personnel) He claims he was a CIA asset.


25 posted on 07/11/2011 3:04:52 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: stevie_d_64

One way to identify new mules for their work.


26 posted on 07/11/2011 3:05:55 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: stevie_d_64
In other news, Typhoid Mary is recommending masks and frequent hand washing to stop the spread of disease.
27 posted on 07/11/2011 3:07:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Dems demanding shared sacrifice are like Aztec priests doing it while cutting out my heart.)
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To: catnipman

Personally I’d like to see an immediate injunction filed to stop ANY further progress on this policy...

A lawsuit takes time and money...Something the NRA and the rest of us do NOT need to spend to stop this BS...

The bottom line is this...

So flippin’ what if I buy a few long guns in a month...That is NOT a crime, nor is it anyones frappin’ business what I do...Much less a government agency/department developing reports on my private aquisitions...

But my opposistion would brand me immediately as some sort of subversive person in their opinion...Which is another thing I don’t care much for...


28 posted on 07/11/2011 3:08:38 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: mo

The only information I need about the ATF at this point is that they have been disbanded and every member barred for life from ever serving in law enforcement in any capacity whatsoever.


29 posted on 07/11/2011 3:11:23 PM PDT by magslinger (Zombies make up much of the Democrat's base.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Tent meet camel nose.

It will start with those Border states and then expanded elsewhere (Hey! Operation Castaway – castaway our rights)

Then it will be expanded further in time frame – 5 days to 30, 30 days to 90m 90 day to ?

Pretty soon, hello registration!

You can bank on it.


30 posted on 07/11/2011 3:13:37 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: All

when is enough enough!!??


31 posted on 07/11/2011 3:13:51 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: magslinger

Well, at least let them work in a mall somewhere...Issue them a radio, whistle and a flashlight...And they can scoot around on one of those Segways...

Wearing a sign that they “used” to work for the ATF...

That way we can laugh our azzes off when they pass by...


32 posted on 07/11/2011 3:13:52 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

Does this include the ATF themselves?
Will they be tracking themselves?


33 posted on 07/11/2011 3:15:14 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Voice of Reason88

This registration of gun purchases due to the gun violence fron the ATF’s gun walking project was one of the goals of Fast and Furious.

They are trying to brazen this one out.


34 posted on 07/11/2011 3:18:45 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: stevie_d_64
And embarrass the real mall cops?

Anyway, I don't think most of them would be capable.

35 posted on 07/11/2011 3:20:14 PM PDT by magslinger (Zombies make up much of the Democrat's base.)
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To: Darksheare

So lets open up a gun store on the TX Louisiana border.

They are dumber than whale poop.


36 posted on 07/11/2011 3:20:14 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: stevie_d_64

I sure wish Freepers would stop with this satire stuff. This should be a series site!


37 posted on 07/11/2011 3:21:43 PM PDT by umgud
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To: rdcbn

“This registration of gun purchases due to the gun violence fron the ATF’s gun walking project was one of the goals of Fast and Furious.”

Undoubtedly.

And, given that gun registration has effectively ZERO purpose in deterring crime, the goal of weapon confiscation is pretty clear.


38 posted on 07/11/2011 3:22:40 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Deputy Attorney General James Cole said the new reporting measure will improve the ATF's ability to disrupt illegal weapons trafficking networks that funnel firearms to criminal organizations.

The coverup continues. We already know that gun shops were reporting suspicious buys and ATF agents told them to make the sales and forget about it. That was part of the paradigm of Operation Fast and Furious.

39 posted on 07/11/2011 3:31:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: stevie_d_64

That is the kind of sh-t that makes people want to investigate you for federal misconduct,doesn’t blow the heat off.


40 posted on 07/11/2011 3:33:29 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Jewbacca

MAYBE THE WHOLE “FAST AND FURIOUS’ WAS A SCAM TO CREATE THESE KIND OF REGULATIONS....

1)they set up this crazy idea..then wait for it to go dangerous...THEN they say”oh, multiple gun buyers are dangerous..see...see! We’ve got to regulate.!”
Never mind it was THEM that created the disastor

or 2) Just use the crisis..avert attention from the true criminals and the DOJ..”Never let a good crisis go to waste!”

this administration is making the bolsheviks look like the Keystone Cops!


41 posted on 07/11/2011 3:33:35 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: stevie_d_64

Close the damned border!


42 posted on 07/11/2011 3:33:40 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Close the damned border!

Close the holes in the fence, send back all illegal entrants, and enforce our national interests by patrolling our borders with our military, as necessary.

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43 posted on 07/11/2011 3:39:24 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Voice of Reason88
Then it will be expanded further in time frame – 5 days to 30, 30 days to 90m 90 day to ?

It will likely be Fast, and Furious.

44 posted on 07/11/2011 3:40:11 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what ?)
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To: stevie_d_64

In an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico, the Justice Department announced Monday that all gun shops in four Southwest border states will be required to alert the federal government to frequent buyers of high-powered rifles.


You have GOT to be kidding me!

45 posted on 07/11/2011 3:45:22 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: stevie_d_64

The water in this pot is getting a little warm isn’t it? Did I see a bubble? Anyone else see that?


46 posted on 07/11/2011 3:48:15 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: HonestConservative

It’s the ATF’s lame attempt to divert attention from their felony actions.


47 posted on 07/11/2011 3:48:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: stevie_d_64
"In an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico,..."

I guess the gov't doesn't like competition.

48 posted on 07/11/2011 3:51:38 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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ATF to Require Information on Frequent Gunbuyers in Border States

Number One Suspect: ATF, 1401 H. Street NW, Suite 900 Washington, DC 20226 USA (Number of illicit firearms purchases: 4,492)

Number Two Suspect: Dustin McCrory, 182 Alazeda Drive, Phoenix, AZ 82778 ((Number of illicit firearms purchases: 17)

....and so on.

49 posted on 07/11/2011 3:53:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Until Obama, has there ever been, in history, a Traitorous Ruler?)
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To: Darksheare


The Obama administration is restricting the gun rights of border state citizens, "when the administration knowingly and intentionally allowed guns to be trafficked into Mexico," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas


50 posted on 07/11/2011 4:00:45 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what ?)
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