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ABC News Confirms Bachmann Clinic Used "Pray Away The Gay' Therapy
Business Insider ^ | 07/11/2011 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 07/11/2011 7:43:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

An ABC News story tonight confirmed rumors that the Christian counseling clinic owned by Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus Bachmann offered therapy to help "convert" homosexuals to heterosexuals. The "World News" report featured an interview with a former patient at the Bachmann & Associates clinic, Andrew Ramirez, who first visited the counseling center as a 17-year-old in 2004.

"[One counselor's] path for my therapy would be to read the Bible, pray to God that I would no longer be gay," Ramirez told ABC News. "And God would forgive me if I were straight."

Ramirez story, first reported by The Nation, is backed up by an undercover video at the clinic, which shows a counselor telling a gay man that he can be "totally free" of his homosexual feelings through prayer and hard work.

Mr. Bachmann has previously denied that his clinic offers "ex-gay" treatments, known as reparative therapy. The American Psychiatric Association does not condone the practice, and has said it might have potentially harmful mental health consequences.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abchitjob; abcnews; clinic; gay; hitjob; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; michelebachmann
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1 posted on 07/11/2011 7:43:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The original ABC News story can be found here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/michele-bachmann-exclusive-pray-gay-candidates-clinic/story?id=14048691


2 posted on 07/11/2011 7:44:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Makes me like her more. The media really likes repeating the lie about reparative therapy being harmful. There is absolutely no proof of such a thing but like Global Warming if a lib professor says it it must be true.


3 posted on 07/11/2011 7:44:50 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Maelstorm

Makes me wonder what else they are lying about...


4 posted on 07/11/2011 7:46:04 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Makes me wonder what else they are lying about..
5 posted on 07/11/2011 7:47:37 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! I know i was kidding)
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To: al baby

ABC lies about everything


6 posted on 07/11/2011 7:48:20 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! I know i was kidding)
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To: SeekAndFind

“An ABC News story tonight confirmed rumors that the Christian counseling clinic owned by Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus Bachmann offered therapy to help “convert” homosexuals to heterosexuals.”

Considering AIDS and all of the other diseases, I have to admire her for her effort.


7 posted on 07/11/2011 7:48:26 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Maelstorm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9KM_EERQtY&NR=1


8 posted on 07/11/2011 7:48:54 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a hair coloring slogan.......


9 posted on 07/11/2011 7:49:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: SeekAndFind

and so what?

Lots of people offer different treatments for mental illness.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 7:50:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

The American Psyc Ass does not like Prayer for Homosexuality, because it works while their Psyco Babble does nothing at $75 bucks an hour. Besides, people learn that they don’t have embrace “gay”, the Psycs believe that is unhealthy gender crisis.

Therefore, to set a Gay straight, hurts them. So, if your goal is to NOT “cure” them, just what are you charging $75 bucks for?! Is it ok to convince a cancer patient that they are all the better for the cancer?


11 posted on 07/11/2011 7:51:53 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: al baby

even if its true, so what?

What do they expect Christian counseling is?


12 posted on 07/11/2011 7:52:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

.... and the problem is?


13 posted on 07/11/2011 7:52:18 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: SeekAndFind
My first reaction is "So What?"

Amazing that the MSM will dig this deep yet totally ignore Zero's anti-American and Socialist beliefs that are in his past.

14 posted on 07/11/2011 7:53:37 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: BobL

“An ABC News story tonight confirmed rumors that the Christian counseling clinic owned by Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus Bachmann offered therapy to help “convert” homosexuals to heterosexuals.”

Dick Obama should sign up!


15 posted on 07/11/2011 7:54:01 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The taring and feathering has begun.

Of course the WORST of all possible offenses is to not completely embrace err... what homosexuals do. And of course equally offensive is to oppose murdering one’s own child. Surely we can’t have a POTUS who is against those liberal accepted behaviors!


16 posted on 07/11/2011 7:54:50 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Mr. Bachmann?”

They do not even have the decency to refer his as “Dr. Bachmann.”


17 posted on 07/11/2011 7:56:13 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: capydick

I know its like “shes a witch” It will be interesting seeing how she deals with this? media is in full throttle


18 posted on 07/11/2011 7:56:25 PM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: SeekAndFind

I knew they were waiting in the wings with this stuff in case she got too popular.


19 posted on 07/11/2011 7:57:20 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: American in Israel

Most psychologists don’t even try to use psychotherapy anymore for homosexual attraction, ever since the 1973 DSM removed it as a disorder in what was hardly an objective and unbiased decision. To attempt to do so is a rather bold decision that invites activists to ruin you professionally.

The sad thing is that there are people out there who have same sex attraction thoughts and DO NOT want to be like that, yet society tells them to just embrace it. Politics trumps mental health in this case.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 7:57:20 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: MindBender26

RE: .... and the problem is?

You have to understand the Liberal way of thinking:

If your ideology is this — SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS THE SAME AS SKIN COLOR, then you’ll have a problem with it.

If Being Black or Brown does not require therapy, why does being gay require it?


21 posted on 07/11/2011 7:58:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The unfortunate thing is we live in world fed on counterintuitive myths. A simple analysis of gay age demographics shows that most individuals who at one point experiment or believe they are gay eventually leave the gay lifestyle. That alone proves it isnt immutable but instead we are expected to accept the word of a very liberal Association as if it is fact no questions asked. I personally don’t care how one lives their personal life but I will not play pretend with the media as they parrot stupidity.


22 posted on 07/11/2011 7:58:34 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They caught her being a Christian? I bet they have enough evidence to convict.


23 posted on 07/11/2011 7:58:34 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: GoCards

Just like I've been saying , they will destroy her and with Bachmann they have sooooo much more to work with than with Palin. When they are done with Bachmann , she will be ruined and in the process Bachmann will make Palin look like saint. It's not fair but it's the real world.


24 posted on 07/11/2011 7:59:16 PM PDT by RED SOUTH (Follow me on twitter @redsouth72)
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To: GoCards
They will demagogue the hell out of this and her and then - put Romney on the spot asking him to comment on this. He, of course, will denounce it, in the mistaken belief the answer will endear him to the MSM and independents.

The cycle has become obvious - just like that simp on MTP on Sunday asking T-Paw "where do you differ with the Republican Party?". I have never heard that question get asked of a RAT.

25 posted on 07/11/2011 8:02:02 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: RED SOUTH

Actually I like her better now but at least she is not muslim lke dick obama


26 posted on 07/11/2011 8:04:45 PM PDT by italianquaker (When will Wallace ask obama if he is a flake?)
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To: SeekAndFind
This Newsweak article doesn't connect the dots exactly, but I think the implied criticism (beyond the obvious liberal criticism that therapists shouldn't try to help cure gays) is that the Bachman clinic accepts medicaid funds from the federal government for this kind of faith-based treatment even though Michelle is pretty outspoken against medicaid spending. See, e.g., this article. A big stretch, if you ask me.
27 posted on 07/11/2011 8:04:49 PM PDT by LonelyCon
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To: Maelstorm

Good point. I also believe that the guilt of an inquisitive dalliance keeps people in that lifestyle as well. People in that situation are not genuinely happy. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the suicide rate among male homosexuals is higher that that of heterosexuals.


28 posted on 07/11/2011 8:05:21 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: LonelyCon

If they were not honest about the type therapy, then they committed Medicare fraud.


29 posted on 07/11/2011 8:06:36 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: Batman11

“Dick Obama should sign up!”

Should we abbreviate the initials as R.O. or D.O,? Either way I like the new first name.


30 posted on 07/11/2011 8:09:10 PM PDT by mcshot ("...of the people, by the people, for the people..." but we aren't "his people".)
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To: Shadow44
I would add a few words to your comment...

The sad thing is that there are people out there who have same sex attraction thoughts and DO NOT want to be like that, yet society and the psychiatric establishment tell them to just embrace it.

Nobody is forcing anyone into this kind of therapy.
Why, then, should anybody have a problem with Bachmann's clinic offering this Christian alternative -- to those who want to try it?

Obvious answer: No one should have a problem with it.

But the pc psychiatric establishment does, because they want a monopoly on "treatment" of all "gender dysphoria" (i.e., you should just accept it that you are homosexual, and take pride in it!).

And the MSM does too, because anything that is Christian must, of course, be wrong.

31 posted on 07/11/2011 8:10:16 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: American in Israel
The American Psyc Ass does not like Prayer for Homosexuality, because it works while their Psyco Babble does nothing at $75 bucks an hour.

You are correct.

That happened in 1974, with the printing of the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual (DSM) II, where homosexuality was removed because of pressure from it was replaced with "sexual orientation disturbance"; and would later morph into a treatment strategy that includes getting homosexuals to feel better about themselves.

32 posted on 07/11/2011 8:11:11 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stop the Ghate!!!!!!!!


33 posted on 07/11/2011 8:13:11 PM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yet if Dr. Bachmann had been in the business of mutilating his patients’ bodies to resemble the opposite gender, ABC would see nothing questionable whatsoever.


34 posted on 07/11/2011 8:13:49 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps the queers would prefer the Islamic method of dealing with them.


35 posted on 07/11/2011 8:14:51 PM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: al baby

Same bull, different hay.


36 posted on 07/11/2011 8:15:18 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: RED SOUTH
Just like I've been saying , they will destroy her and with Bachmann they have sooooo much more to work with than with Palin. When they are done with Bachmann , she will be ruined and in the process Bachmann will make Palin look like saint.

LOL. So now it's a conspiracy by the MSM to support Palin?

37 posted on 07/11/2011 8:16:10 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SeekAndFind

So BIG FREAKING DEAL!


38 posted on 07/11/2011 8:18:30 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: Prokopton
Nope, didn't say that.

Bachmann gives the media lots of low hanging fruit. Helping Palin is the result of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

39 posted on 07/11/2011 8:19:26 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: SeekAndFind
If your ideology is this — SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS THE SAME AS SKIN COLOR, then you’ll have a problem with it.

People spend a lot of time and money trying to make their skin darker.

40 posted on 07/11/2011 8:21:25 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o)
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To: SeekAndFind

I had the misfortune to catch this evenings ABC News/Propaganda broadcast and they led off their show with this story here on the west coast.

ABC News deserves a sponsor boycott big time for stories like this. It is too bad that prominent conservatives or even prominent supporters of Michelle Bachmann won’t initiate a sponsor boycott against ABC News for this, to make an example out of ABC News - Chase away most of their ‘Mainstream’ sponsors like the small handfull of marxists did to Glenn Beck’s old Fox News show.

I almost fell off my chair watching Diane Sawyer and this reporter Dennis Ross(?) trying to paint Bachmann out like she and her husband are some type of sadist criminals or monsters for trying to convert homos to heteros. Last I checked, none of the homos who showed up at the Bachmann’s clinic went there against their will.


41 posted on 07/11/2011 8:25:40 PM PDT by dsm69
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To: trumandogz
They do not even have the decency to refer his as “Dr. Bachmann.”

Yeah I wouldn't push that. His sheepskin isn't all that good.

Bachmann is looking more and more like the candidate you really don't want.

42 posted on 07/11/2011 8:27:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: SeekAndFind
An ABC News story tonight confirmed rumors that the Christian counseling clinic owned by Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus Bachmann offered therapy to help "convert" homosexuals to heterosexuals.

Beats sucking a baby from a woman's womb.

43 posted on 07/11/2011 8:28:16 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Lots of big donor purses snapped shut today.

On the same day Team Bachmann announces the hiring of two big shot establishment fund raisers.

44 posted on 07/11/2011 8:30:11 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Bachmann isn’t my first (or even second) choice, but what is wrong with Dr. Bachmann’s degree?


45 posted on 07/11/2011 8:31:42 PM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

Mail order.


46 posted on 07/11/2011 8:32:42 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did ABC News find out anything about Barack Obama?


47 posted on 07/11/2011 8:33:01 PM PDT by TankerKC (I feel 271 degrees out of sync today, which isn't half bad.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

It almost always starts with child sexual abuse.


48 posted on 07/11/2011 8:35:48 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: P-Marlowe
In the Age of Moshiach there will be not one homosexual. The Torah forbids it. There will be nothing that offends the structured order of the universe. There will be mercy, forgiveness even, but the Torah will be written on the heart and all “Shall know me” from the greatest to the least. There will be no prisons, no war, and no perversity. Only love that brings forth life. Hold on children, The Morning Star is rising, with healing in his wings. Come home to Torah.
49 posted on 07/11/2011 8:37:37 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: P-Marlowe
In the Age of Moshiach there will be not one homosexual. The Torah forbids it. There will be nothing that offends the structured order of the universe. There will be mercy, forgiveness even, but the Torah will be written on the heart and all “Shall know me” from the greatest to the least. There will be no prisons, no war, and no perversity. Only love that brings forth life. Hold on children, The Morning Star is rising, with healing in his wings. Come home to Torah.
50 posted on 07/11/2011 8:37:48 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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