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Does The US Government Want To Prevent You From Leaving? Trapped in your country, unable to leave
Zero Hedge ^ | 07/11/2011 | Simon Black

Posted on 07/11/2011 7:53:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Can you imagine being trapped inside your home country, unable to leave? It may be closer to a reality than you realize. I’ll tell you a quick story to explain.

This weekend I rented a car in Bulgaria with the aim of driving through Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia, and eventually into Greece. Now, I’m no virgin to land border crossings in the developing world and understand the corruption and incompetence that typifies customs checkpoints. But this weekend’s experience was much more.

With documents in hand, I drove to my first border crossing in Strezimirovci, Bulgaria. After clearing customs on the Bulgarian side, the Serbian officers decided that they would not allow me to enter with the normal papers, and instead required that I obtain another customs form to proceed.

Unfortunately, they had no such customs form at their station, so they turned me around and sent me to another border check point in Kalotina, over an hour away.

The road from Strezimirovci to Kalotina skirts the Serbian border for a large part of the drive– quite literally, on one side of the road is Serbia, and on the other is Bulgaria. It’s all part of the same landscape with no discernable difference… these are just invisible lines guarded by gun-toting monkeys.

When I arrived to Kalotina, I found the ‘office’ where I was supposed to obtain the new document– just a simple, roadside concession stand. The ‘agent’ was the shop’s proprietor, a chain-smoking Serbian woman with rather mannish features.

Once I paid the appropriate fee, she spent the next 10 minutes hacking at her keyboard to produce an official looking Cyrillic document with lots of stamps and seals.

While I was waiting for her to finish, four different customers came into the shop to stock up on snacks and drinks. All they wanted was a cold one for the road, but they eventually got tired of waiting and left.

These four customers represented potential transactions that could have contributed something to the economy. Instead, though, they were preempted by an unnecessary bureaucracy that adds absolutely no value whatsoever.

As expected, the Serbian customs agent barely glanced at the form when I crossed the border this time. Finally on Serbian soil, I pointed my car towards Pristina.

Now, Serbia still pretends like Kosovo is part of its sovereign territory, and Serbian police are under strict instructions to make the immigration checkpoint on the Kosovo border as painful as possible.

The vehicle line at the checkpoint was backed up so much that it took several hours to pass. All along the way, there was not a single bathroom, vending machine, fuel station, or even street light. It’s obvious that they want to incovenience travelers to the point that people will think twice before visiting Kosovo again.

When it was finally my turn, I drove up to the policeman and handed him all of my papers. He slowly went through every single detail, looking for any technicality he could find to prevent me from crossing.

The rest the station was staffed with 10 other agents. All brandished automatic weapons slung over their backs, yet each stood around doing absolutely nothing. One person was “working,” and the other ten were smoking, eating, drinking, and shooting the breeze.

Frankly, I pity all of these border agents whose only function is to deny, obstruct, or otherwise frustrate the forward progress of other human beings. These people will go their entire careers contributing nothing of value to the world, and destroying what others are trying to create. It’s truly a pitiful existence.

This weekend’s affair was a clear example of what happens when a government imposes mind-numbing bureacracy to prevent freedom of movement. And if you think it can’t happen where you live, think again.

In the US, the government now requires all citizens to have a passport in order to pass the border, even when driving into Mexico or Canada. Obtaining a passport, however, is neither free nor guaranteed. You must apply, pay an ever-increasing fee, and wait for weeks to be approved and receive it.

Recently, the State Department quietly proposed a new ‘biographical questionnaire’ in lieu of the traditional passport application. The new form requires you to provide things like:

- names, birth places, and birth dates of your extended family members

- your mother’s place of employment at the time of your birth

- whether or not your mother received pre-natal or post natal care

- the address of your mother’s physician and dates of appointments

- the address of every place you have ever lived in your entire life

- the name and address of every school you have ever attended

Most people would find it impossible to provide such information, yet the form requires that the responses ‘are true and correct’ under penalty of imprisonment.

Naturally, the privacy statement on the application also acknowledges that the responses can be shared with other departments in the government, including Homeland Security.

If this proposal passes, then US citizens will have a nearly insurmountable hurdle to obtain a passport and be able to leave the country at will. Even if it doesn’t pass, it’s a clear demonstration of what the people who run the country are thinking.

Have you reached your breaking point yet, comrades?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: exodus; passport

1 posted on 07/11/2011 7:53:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Comrades, the High Commissars do not want the filthy evil rich to flee the USSA.


2 posted on 07/11/2011 7:57:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Crossing the Ohio River might be like that in a decade or two.


3 posted on 07/11/2011 7:57:40 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: Psalm 144

Just musing openly, don’t take this seriously... if it ever comes to this...

How about requiring a PASSPORT from those who want to relocate from a liberal to a conservative state?


4 posted on 07/11/2011 8:00:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

And this case ...

Veteran accused of passport fraud freed days ahead of trial

By Greg Botelho

7/8/11

A Navy veteran was freed from a federal detention center Friday, giving him four days of freedom before the start of his trial for allegedly lying on his passport application.

Former Petty Officer 2nd Class Elisha Leo Dawkins has been behind bars since April, having been detained nine days after returning from a stint in Cuba working as a military photographer.

He could get 10 years in prison if convicted of lying five years ago on a passport application, as federal prosecutors contend. But his attorney, Clark Mervis, has told CNN that his client’s actions were understandable and innocent.

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A hearing was held in a federal court Friday, at which the government agreed to reduce Dawkins’ bond to effectively nothing and paved the way for his release, said Annette Castillo of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Miami.

The government went along with a bond reduction after the Department of Homeland Security lifted an immigration detainer against Dawkins, Castillo explained by e-mail.

The grand jury indictment claims that Dawkins “did knowingly and willfully make a false statement” on an April 2006 passport application completed in Miami-Dade County. Specifically, Dawkins said that he had never before requested a U.S. passport, “when in truth ... and as the defendant ... knew, he had previously applied,” according to the indictment.

“Flash” Gordon Schwartz, a former Navy pilot, said that his friend Dawkins started filling out a passport application in 2004 but didn’t finish it. When he filled out another application two years later, Dawkins checked “no” next to the question about whether he’d completed an application previously — assuming that was the right answer, since his previous attempt wasn’t complete.

He got the passport. But five years later, in March, a warrant was issued for Dawkins’ arrest — at the same time he was at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, working as a military photographer, according to Schwartz. He returned to the United States on April 10, and was detained nine days later, said Dianne Rinehardt, a veteran who met him while both were in nursing school.

Schwartz, who is a Jacksonville accountant and also has Dawkins’ power of attorney, said Friday that his friend is happy to be free and is looking forward to his day in court.

“You have a dedicated young man, who is dedicated to the United States,” said Schwartz, noting he talked with his friend after his release. “He just wants to clear his name.”

Dawkins’ determination is so firm, according to his friend who is also his power of attorney, that he turned down an offer from the U.S. Attorney’s office to drop the charges once he completed a supervised pretrial diversion program.

Schwartz said that he plans to testify on his friend’s behalf as a character witness, as will some of Dawkins’ former “direct supervisors in the military.”

In recent weeks, Dawkins’ case has gained national attention with friends, politicians, past colleagues and strangers among the hundreds supporting a man who joined the U.S. Army upon graduating from high school. He served a tour in Iraq, and then joined the Navy in part so he could attend nursing school and re-enlist, Schwartz said.

A document, provided to CNN by Schwartz as authorized by U.S. Navy Vice Adm. M.E. Ferguson III, indicates that Dawkins had secret clearance while at Guantanamo. In an evaluation report, one superior lauds Dawkins as “a team player ... with a strong work ethic and desire to learn” and recommends him for promotion.


5 posted on 07/11/2011 8:01:19 PM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Travis McGee

>Comrades, the High Commissars do not want the filthy evil rich to flee the USSA.

And yet, the answers to those questions will be fairly easily obtained via PIs by the rich if they desired to get the information to fill it out.


6 posted on 07/11/2011 8:02:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Try renouncing your U.S. citizenship if you should so desire.

You end up with a bill from the IRS for the next decade of taxes on income that you would have made in their opinion, had you not done so.


7 posted on 07/11/2011 8:05:12 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about having our President fill out the new State Department form?
Ironic....


8 posted on 07/11/2011 8:05:12 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: George from New England

Considering “his previous attempt wasn’t complete” then wouldn’t that indicate that he hadn’t actually applied?
IE If I had an application to convert my PS-90 to a short-barreled rifle, but decided against it after reading all the instructions (and fingerprinting required) but never sent it in (that is actually applying) then could that be used against me?

In short this sounds like it could be a good case for 18USC242 (deprivation of rights under color of law)... some government agency being the actor purporting to deprive him of his rights (as I understand that is a felony; ergo his future voting and firearms possessions are at stake).


9 posted on 07/11/2011 8:10:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh and it’s even worse than you think. I had a friend who owed about $300 in back taxes and he couldn’t get a passport. I’ve known several people to send in for passports to have them delayed or rejected for the silliest of reasons. A couple applications were even “lost.”

The American police state is in full swing. And if you think in about 5-10 years it will be easy to leave ... think again.

I used to be able to go into Canada or Mexico and back with no more than a driver’s license.

Dark days ahead, my friends. Very dark days.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 8:10:59 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

I once got drunk with the French Border guards and gave them a bottle of Jack Daniels that I was carrying for such emergencies so that me and 4 other Army personnel and 2 young, French Army drivers could clear the border.

It recently occurred to me that bringing the bottle of Jack across borders in the mid 1980s could have been violating some law, is that likely?


11 posted on 07/11/2011 8:11:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember back in 1983, soon after KAL-007 was shot down by the Soviet Union, I asked this question just for “sh@#$ & giggles.” I just started 11th grade. I asked, “What if, one day, the US became the USSR and the USSR became the US?” I added, “what if we ever became the Evil Empire?” Looks like my little thought experiment might give me an answers soon if this keeps up. With the TSA and now this, I think the terrorists have won. B-(


12 posted on 07/11/2011 8:13:47 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s been like this for us here in Michigan for a generation or three.

But now that MI is totally a red state for now at the state level the rats are powerless, and many things are looking better.

Like a balanced budget, on time for the time in 4 decades, little stuff like that.


13 posted on 07/11/2011 8:14:44 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Psalm 144
Crossing the Ohio River might be like that in a decade or two.

I hope not! I cross it umpteen times a day delivering auto parts. B-P
14 posted on 07/11/2011 8:14:46 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, then there would be no conservative states, if you mean “Constitutional” states.


15 posted on 07/11/2011 8:16:46 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: elkfersupper
RE: You end up with a bill from the IRS for the next decade of taxes on income that you would have made in their opinion, had you not done so.

Did this ever happen to anyone at all?
16 posted on 07/11/2011 8:20:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Forget the passport, QUARRANTINE anyone wanting to leave a blue state for a red state.


17 posted on 07/11/2011 8:23:24 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL!!! Not till I get out of here, PLEASE!!!

But I know exactly what you mean.


18 posted on 07/11/2011 8:31:30 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the same government that can’t stop illiterate Mexicans from crossing over by the hundreds of thousands every year. If it ever gets so bad you need to flee the country, you’ll find a way to get out. Just make sure the financial move is staged properly and you have a trustworthy agent on the other side to empty the receiving accounts immediately after transfer.


19 posted on 07/11/2011 8:38:32 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: SeekAndFind
There may come a day when TPTB figure out (much to their dismay) that I'm not trapped here with them - they're trapped here with ME.

*cracks knuckles*

20 posted on 07/11/2011 8:45:12 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“In the US, the government now requires all citizens to have a passport in order to pass the border, even when driving into Mexico or Canada. Obtaining a passport, however, is neither free nor guaranteed. You must apply, pay an ever-increasing fee, and wait for weeks to be approved and receive it. “

You should not be required to provide a passport to leave. The only thing they should be doing for people leaving is making sure they are not wanted criminals.


21 posted on 07/11/2011 8:52:17 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind
Sadly, many "conservatives" were the ones calling for such restrictions on passports. And I doubt anyone here filed a comment during the comment period for the new DS-5513 information collection.
22 posted on 07/11/2011 9:06:52 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this article a joke?


23 posted on 07/11/2011 9:15:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the taxes from the liberal states went to the conservative ones it is only fair that the people be allowed to follow their taxes.


24 posted on 07/11/2011 9:16:23 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: ansel12

Its only agains’t the law if you get caught. LOL!!


25 posted on 07/11/2011 9:29:16 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Gondring
The proposed/alleged DS-5513 can't be a passport application. Here is the current DS-11 Passport Application If you compare them, you will see that the current application requires more information and documentation than the alleged DS-5513. Something seems very odd about this DS-5513. I think it is bogus
26 posted on 07/11/2011 9:31:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Monorprise

A tip when you apply for a passport is to ask for the passport with lots of visa pages. I had to have pages added to my passport for $81. It doesn’t cost any more the passport with more pages.


27 posted on 07/11/2011 9:44:37 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Psalm 144

I worked in the hinterlands of China in the fall and winter of ‘76 - ‘77. That’s exactly how it was to cross the bridge over the Yangtze River from the Yunnan Province to the Szechuan Province. I walked under the bridge along the riverbank one day and got stopped by a squad of 16 year old PLA cadets. My interpreter and I were interrogated for about an hour before they let us go.

Yes, coming soon the US the way things are headed.


28 posted on 07/11/2011 9:47:44 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: elkfersupper

That’s only if any one of the following applies:

Your annual tax bill for the past 5 years has been over $139,000

Your net worth in assets is over $2million

You cannot certify that you have met your tax obligation for the 5 years prior to renouncing your citizenship.

This is all the fault of Mark Rich, who absconded to Spain leaving behind a huge tax bill.

It won’t apply to the vast majority of you who want to get out while the getting’s good. Ask me how I know.


29 posted on 07/11/2011 10:17:15 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I’m from BC originally and I used to have multiple American girlfriends in WA state, and only needed a driver’s license to drive thru. Buy booze at Cost Cutter, and milk/eggs to show the idiot canadian border guard that I did NOT buy booze but ONLY milk/eggs.


30 posted on 07/11/2011 10:17:58 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Little Pig

How do you know?


31 posted on 07/11/2011 10:33:41 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind
Just musing openly, don’t take this seriously... if it ever comes to this...

How about requiring a PASSPORT from those who want to relocate from a liberal to a conservative state?

Gee, how about requiring a passport from those trying to enter the U.S.?

32 posted on 07/11/2011 10:58:46 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: SeekAndFind

What if you do not have the info to the questions?


33 posted on 07/11/2011 11:15:14 PM PDT by funfan
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To: OneWingedShark

Haw... how can these PIs find such long lost information as one’s mother’s perinatal medical treatment? When that happened decades ago, if it happened at all, likely in the care of physicians now deceased who kept private records on paper and likely did not even involve insurance companies. This is another bureaucratic effup and once enough Congressbeasts learn about it, it will be dead.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 12:07:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Monorprise

Doubtless due to treaties. Otherwise one would expect Canadians to be manning the US side of checkpoints, and vice versa.


35 posted on 07/12/2011 12:10:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Charles Martel

“There may come a day when TPTB figure out (much to their dismay) that I’m not trapped here with them - they’re trapped here with ME.”

Excellent. You have a spot on our Committee of Correspondence team if you want it.


36 posted on 07/12/2011 6:38:38 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

I’d be honored, sergeantdave.


37 posted on 07/12/2011 6:59:25 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>Haw... how can these PIs find such long lost information as one’s mother’s perinatal medical treatment?

If that’s the case, then how could the government prove someone not only lied, but willfully did so on one of these forms?
To say otherwise is to presume guilt and place the onus not on the accuser but the accused.

>When that happened decades ago, if it happened at all, likely in the care of physicians now deceased who kept private records on paper and likely did not even involve insurance companies.

That only adds to the difficulty of the PROSECUTION thereof.

>This is another bureaucratic effup and once enough Congressbeasts learn about it, it will be dead.

I would hope; but given that people weren’t hanged for saying “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it” I doubt that this minor bureaucratic power-play will garner any attention.


38 posted on 07/12/2011 8:36:56 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Charles Martel
There may come a day when TPTB figure out (much to their dismay) that I'm not trapped here with them - they're trapped here with ME.

"You coulda heard a pin drop when Tommy stopped and locked the door." -Kenny Rogers - Coward of the County

39 posted on 07/12/2011 8:55:22 AM PDT by houeto
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To: SeekAndFind
Did this ever happen to anyone at all?

My ex in-laws.

They told the IRS to pound sand and will never come back to this country.

40 posted on 07/12/2011 12:42:30 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

RE: My ex in-laws.

They told the IRS to pound sand and will never come back to this country

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Some questions come to mind:

1) Were they American Citizens?

2) What is a better place than America when it comes to taxes?

3) Were they simply allowed to tell the IRS to pound sand without this brutal firm chasing them all over the world? The IRS even now has successfully bullied the Swiss to give up the names of their American depositors.


41 posted on 07/12/2011 12:45:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Little Pig
Ask me how I know.

Nope.

Not in a public forum.

Don't ask me how I know, either.

Regards,

42 posted on 07/12/2011 12:52:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Monorprise
You should not be required to provide a passport to leave. The only thing they should be doing for people leaving is making sure they are not wanted criminals.

I have never been asked by a US government official for any type of ID when departing the country. The airlines want to see your passport and visa if necessary only because they don't want the expense of flying you back if your are denied entry.

US Border/Customes agents only ever asked me for ID when I returned to the US not when I departed.

43 posted on 07/12/2011 12:56:30 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: OneWingedShark

I suppose a PI might be more skillful than your average FBI agent so you would be “safe” to say “no,” but who knows what got snarfed into an Obamacare computer system before it was shredded? And due to HIPAA it would be a royal pain at best to get the “confidential” information — even if you were the executor of that person’s estate — but for Uncle Sam it’s easy.


44 posted on 07/12/2011 1:04:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: mojo114

Ditto that!!


45 posted on 07/12/2011 1:17:23 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: SeekAndFind
1) Were they American Citizens?

Yes.

2) What is a better place than America when it comes to taxes?

Costa Rica, Ireland, Iceland, Mexico. New Zealand. Any number of places.

As a side note, I recently enjoyed both tobacco and alcohol products in Spain without the fear of being harassed or arrested. A few weeks ago, my daughter expended several magazines out of a select-fire AK-47 she bought for $50 at seagulls off the deck of a beach house in Guatemala with no consequences and no concerns or comments from the onlookers.

3) Were they simply allowed to tell the IRS to pound sand without this brutal firm chasing them all over the world? The IRS even now has successfully bullied the Swiss to give up the names of their American depositors.

Yes. They are invested in hard assets and local currency. If your next question is whether or not they are drug dealers, pimps or other nonsense; I will tell you that they are retired schoolteachers from rural NM, who also successfully dabbled in real estate and antiques.

46 posted on 07/12/2011 1:26:44 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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