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Bellevue v. UN as intíl gun control battle intensifies
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 11 July, 2011 | Dave Workman

Posted on 07/12/2011 4:44:05 AM PDT by marktwain

The fight over international gun control is unfolding anew this week at the United Nations building in New York, as the stage is being set for next year’s “final negotiations” on a proposed treaty that critics say is a threat to the Second Amendment, and a Washington State-based group is right in the thick of it.

Bellevue’s Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, is in the Big Apple this week, attending the third “preparatory committee meeting” for the proposed Arms Trade Treaty, which he says is an elaborate way of saying “international gun control.” He told this column via telephone that international gun control advocates are “in abundance.”

Gottlieb, who serves as SAF’s executive vice president, and Julianne Versnel are at the UN because SAF is a member of the Executive Committee of the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities, a recognized non-governmental organization (NGO). This status allows SAF to closely monitor the internal UN debate over firearms issues, and the organization uses that insight to its advantage.

These meetings lay the ground work for the final negotiation sessions of the ATT in 2012. SAF’s position is firm – an ATT which in any way affects the constitutional rights of American gun owners is totally unacceptable. Civilian firearms and ammunition must not be within the scope of the United Nation’s Arms Trade Treaty. There is no compromise on this crucial point.—Alan Gottlieb, Second Amendment Foundation

Gun rights advocates like Gottlieb have been insisting for years that there is a genuine threat to Second Amendment rights at the UN, and this proposed treaty – up for final adoption next year (coincidental, perhaps, to the November 2012 election for United States president) – is no laughing matter in the firearms community.

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Items that have been proposed in the treaty, such as mandatory registration and annual licensing fees, are equivilant to gun confiscation.
1 posted on 07/12/2011 4:44:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.


2 posted on 07/12/2011 4:48:27 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marktwain
It's not Constitutional by its very nature. I'm not some 'global citizen'. Our Second Amendment is what keeps us from being brutalized, as so many members of the UN do to their own populace.

Besides, I hear that Eric Holder has quite an array of fine firearms. The only qualification is that you have to be a criminal.

3 posted on 07/12/2011 4:53:22 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, One Nation under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

I don’t see any mention of the UN in there.In fact I don’t see where we owe any allegiance to a Government,even our own government, made up of those who would take away our God ,or our liberty. Things that today are being done despite their own pledge to that same flag.

Perhaps today we are not so indivisible, but there are enough of us,so that if some outside force such as the UN comes along to take away our Constitutional rights we will fight.


4 posted on 07/12/2011 5:10:11 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer
I don’t see any mention of the UN in there.In fact I don’t see where we owe any allegiance to a Government,even our own government, made up of those who would take away our God ,or our liberty. Things that today are being done despite their own pledge to that same flag.

In the military, one swears to uphold the Constitution, as well as all enemies foreign and domestic.

Perhaps today we are not so indivisible, but there are enough of us,so that if some outside force such as the UN comes along to take away our Constitutional rights we will fight.

In addition, I would suggest that our armed forces are not the pro-Obama, pro-UN types. They are dedicated to preserving freedom, and mean it. They certainly are not in it for the money.

5 posted on 07/12/2011 5:15:47 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: Venturer
as well as all enemies foreign and domestic.

"and to oppose" all enemies foreign and domestic.

Sorry about that.

6 posted on 07/12/2011 5:38:47 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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7 posted on 07/12/2011 5:56:06 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: marktwain

Yeah, right. Can anybody see all the organized criminals such as the drug cartels, MS-13s, and terrorists registering their guns much less giving them up.

When Hezbolla throws all their guns in a pile, burns them, and then apologizes to the world for being asshats...


8 posted on 07/12/2011 6:04:48 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

The organization “Oathkeepers” is a testament to that fact.


9 posted on 07/12/2011 6:09:30 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Just book marked the homepage. They lay it out, don’t they?


10 posted on 07/12/2011 6:25:07 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

>”and to oppose” all enemies foreign and domestic. <

My interpretation is that it is Ok to “off” domestic enemies, or maybe I’m too right-wing for most Freepers..


11 posted on 07/12/2011 6:52:13 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: marktwain
Click on image to download PDF file of poster.

12 posted on 07/12/2011 6:58:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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My interpretation is that it is Ok to “off” domestic enemies, or maybe I’m too right-wing for most Freepers..

I'm certain that the realization was that most tyrants emerge from within.

13 posted on 07/12/2011 6:58:38 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: marktwain

Ignore their demands and designate the blue helmets as legitimate targets of US citizens. My permit is the second amendment and I will ignore the UN Empire. First we fought the British Empire, then the Nazi empire and now we will fight the UN empire.


14 posted on 07/12/2011 7:48:24 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: marktwain

US out of the UN, UN off US soil....


15 posted on 07/12/2011 7:55:23 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

>In the military, one swears to uphold the Constitution, as well as all enemies foreign and domestic.

Indeed so; having taken that oath and seeing how out governments (federal, state, county, and municipal) disregard the Constitutions I have been getting a very bad feeling that the government is entrenching itself quite firmly as a domestic enemy of the Constitutions I swore to uphold.


16 posted on 07/12/2011 11:15:02 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: max americana; He Rides A White Horse
My interpretation is that it is Ok to “off” domestic enemies, or maybe I’m too right-wing for most Freepers..

Oddly enough, these institutionalized enemies (read branches of government which refuse to comply w/ the Constitution) can be dealt with in completely legal terms (were we to use Grand Jury Presentments and have a burning desire to give the beat-down to "those who worship evil's might").

The States.
The Federal Government.

I've been called an 'anarchist' for claiming that the Constitutions of the United States, and the individual States, should be followed to the letter.

17 posted on 07/12/2011 11:21:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Indeed so; having taken that oath and seeing how out governments (federal, state, county, and municipal) disregard the Constitutions I have been getting a very bad feeling that the government is entrenching itself quite firmly as a domestic enemy of the Constitutions I swore to uphold.

Myself included. These lefties can entrench themselves all they want to. You and I and many others have taken that oath, and they are not just idle words.

Let the tinpot dictator pull a fast one. Our soldiers will not fire on US citizens, I am sure of that. They'll uphold the Constitution.

18 posted on 07/12/2011 11:24:04 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: marktwain

“...is no laughing matter in the firearms community.”

Got that right...What emboldens them is they believe none of us will fight when the time comes for them to implement their “plan”...

I can’t imagine how much more they could ever be more wrong...


19 posted on 07/12/2011 2:57:24 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: marktwain

Since 9-11, you could say we’re short office space. I say fumigate the nasty nest and rent out office space where the UN “used” to be. The UN should be encouraged to set up shop in some nice tropical climate, like say, Mogadishu. I understand the rent’s cheap and you can just about do as you please. BUH-BYE UN.


20 posted on 07/12/2011 6:47:15 PM PDT by mnrep (sarah 2012)
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