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"'Sister Wives' Family to Challenge Utah Bigamy Law" - ABC News - polygamy - mormon
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Posted on 07/12/2011 8:48:02 AM PDT by fishtank

By JENNIFER DOBNER Associated Press SALT LAKE CITY July 12, 2011 (AP) A polygamous family made famous by the reality TV show "Sister Wives" plans to challenge the Utah bigamy law that makes their lifestyle illegal, a Washington-based attorney said Tuesday. In an email to The Associated Press, attorney Jonathan Turley said he will file the lawsuit challenging Utah's bigamy law in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court on Wednesday. .............

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1 posted on 07/12/2011 8:48:07 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian

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2 posted on 07/12/2011 8:48:47 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I’ve only been able to stomach that show one time. The “husband” is a total douche nozzle. I don’t know how he talked half a dozen women into moving in with him.


3 posted on 07/12/2011 8:50:02 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: youngidiot

I’ve never seen it.

My only wife and I have no cable or satellite.


4 posted on 07/12/2011 8:51:32 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
Regardless of what anyone thinks about Gay marriage, anyone who tried to sell the idea that it would not lead to efforts to allow both bigamy and incestuous marriage was either lying or kidding themselves. Some may say both should be allowed and would do no harm. They should just be honest about it.
5 posted on 07/12/2011 8:52:13 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: fishtank

Okay, now will we hear from the gay activists who laughed at the possibility of polygamy lawsuits?

Those activists laughed and ridiculed anyone who thought anyone would sue regarding polygamy being banned, when they themsevles started filing lawsuits for homosexual marriage.

Any gay activists want to debate whether legalizing homosexual marriage is a slippery slope, leading inevitably to other things? Anyone want to debate that moving the goalposts on how we define marriage will cause people to start thinking of things which were once unthinkable?????


6 posted on 07/12/2011 8:52:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: youngidiot

“I don’t know how he talked half a dozen women into moving in with him.”

....because one half of America is below average intelligence?


7 posted on 07/12/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
Gay Marriage. CHECK
Polygamy. CHECK
Animal Marriage. ?
8 posted on 07/12/2011 8:54:30 AM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; SoCal Pubbie

Yes to both of you, you’re correct.

.....only hours after the Empire State went dingleberry crazy..........


9 posted on 07/12/2011 8:54:30 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Why should a bisexual be denied the “right” to marry both a man and a woman?


10 posted on 07/12/2011 8:56:39 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: youngidiot

“I don’t know how he talked half a dozen women into moving in with him.”

Because he is on TV.

Polygamous wives are usually raised in that environment.


11 posted on 07/12/2011 8:57:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: fishtank

Well, that’s the next step, isn’t it? Once you can’t define “marriage” as one man’s union with one woman, then it’s wide open.

We’re rapidly getting to the point of having no legal barriers to one man and 40 women, one man and one pet goat, or one man and one boy (though hopefully statutory rape laws will still keep NAMBLA from going there).

The only possible way to save this now is a Constitutional amendment defining marriage — for once this religious-(Bible-)based institution became secularized and subject to government benefits, it was only a matter of time before others wanted to have a piece of the pie too.


12 posted on 07/12/2011 8:57:52 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: youngidiot
I agree with you 100%..The horny man that is on the show sure thinks he is a prize..The last one he calls his wife seems to get the most attention could that be because she is thin and half way good looking where the others are heavy and not good looking at all..

I have watched more than once times and then could not stomach to see these poor women thinking it is OK to live like a Muslim and work to support the family's they have ,while the idiot man is going out on the prowl for another woman..

13 posted on 07/12/2011 8:59:34 AM PDT by PLD
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To: fishtank

Honestly, if the state is willing to call two men or two women shacking up a marriage, what possible restrictions can you place on any marriage combinations? Its the proverbial slippery slope.

Polygamy has a long history and is still practiced throughout the world. There is certainly much more precendent for it than two dudes calling themselves a married couple.

I’m not suggesting that I support any of this, but on what basis could you stop polygamy if you allow homosexuals and all the other “sexuals” to redefine marriage.


14 posted on 07/12/2011 9:01:39 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: fishtank
My only wife and I have no cable or satellite.

I sometimes introduce my wife as "my first wife" just to get a rise out of her. :)

15 posted on 07/12/2011 9:03:11 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the headline. Once you destroy the "one man - one woman" definition of marriage anything goes.

The communist agenda of infiltration and destruction of American culture based on Judeo-Christian law is indeed coming to fruition.

16 posted on 07/12/2011 9:03:33 AM PDT by gramho12
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To: fishtank

Why not?

If gays can marry who are we to define the relationship between other persons, objects or animals.

/S

My solution? Should I ever marry there will be no formal declaration or permission granted to or by the state.

We will agree and go before a priest or pastor.

If there is a need to formalize our relationship we can go to a lawyer and do that.

Lot’s of work in the beginning that will require thinking about a committed relationship and may lead to both of us working on things we may not have given much thought to.


17 posted on 07/12/2011 9:05:57 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: fishtank

Same-sex marriage= barbarism; polygamy= barbarism; strange that you can watch civilization crumble...


18 posted on 07/12/2011 9:09:15 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: youngidiot

Yes, he comes across as a total air-head with a teenager mentality, and has a bunch of mommies taking care of him.


19 posted on 07/12/2011 9:10:00 AM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: PLD
I agree with you 100%..The horny man that is on the show sure thinks he is a prize..The last one he calls his wife seems to get the most attention could that be because she is thin and half way good looking where the others are heavy and not good looking at all..

I have watched more than once times and then could not stomach to see these poor women thinking it is OK to live like a Muslim and work to support the family's they have ,while the idiot man is going out on the prowl for another woman..


I think his first wife is kinda cute. But besides all that, doesn't he just come across as an immature goofball? I don't know how else to describe him.
20 posted on 07/12/2011 9:11:05 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: Kandy Atz
Polygamy has a long history and is still practiced throughout the world. There is certainly much more precendent for it than two dudes calling themselves a married couple.

At least polygamy is Biblical. Homosexual marriage (or homosexual relations for that matter) are not!

21 posted on 07/12/2011 9:12:23 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
"Why should a bisexual be denied the “right” to marry both a man and a woman?"

Don't try to parody liberalism. It always becomes a "civil rights" issue eventually.

22 posted on 07/12/2011 9:13:57 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: youngidiot

I think his first wife is kinda cute. But besides all that, doesn’t he just come across as an immature goofball? I don’t know how else to describe him.

Yes he does come across as immaure and stupid goofball..


23 posted on 07/12/2011 9:14:42 AM PDT by PLD
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To: guardian_of_liberty

“Animal Marriage. ?” That’s what I’m holding out for. Imagine all the tax deductions. Any idea which dog has the biggest litters?


24 posted on 07/12/2011 9:15:55 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: fishtank

What should anger us all is the welfare benefits the sister wives and their children rape the taxpayer for


25 posted on 07/12/2011 9:16:39 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Retired COB
Gay marriage does have a long history in this country.


26 posted on 07/12/2011 9:17:08 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: fishtank

Islam’s “Let’s get Mikey to eat it” lawsuit for multiple wives....


27 posted on 07/12/2011 9:18:05 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
"Why should a bisexual be denied the “right” to marry both a man and a woman?"

Don't try to parody liberalism. It always becomes a "civil rights" issue eventually.

28 posted on 07/12/2011 9:19:00 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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Maybe this isn't the "Sister Wives" you were referring to. However, I found this YouTube Video ... ummm ... interesting.

Actually, this particular "Sister Wives" video put me on the floor LMAO. "Hysterical pregnancy", I'm still laughing. :)

29 posted on 07/12/2011 9:19:32 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Retired COB

Polygamy is REFERENCED in the Bible, but NEVER condoned.


30 posted on 07/12/2011 9:21:13 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

As the Oak Ridge Boys sing, trying to love two women is like a ball and chain. To which I add, trying to love any more than that is like taking a swim wrapped in anchor chain.


31 posted on 07/12/2011 9:22:22 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: fishtank

“Polygamy is REFERENCED in the Bible, but NEVER condoned.”

It is only condemned for pastors and then not terribly strongly.


32 posted on 07/12/2011 9:25:51 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: fishtank
Polygamy is REFERENCED in the Bible, but NEVER condoned.

I'm not a Morman, so I can't think of all of the examples of multiple wives in the Bible off the top of my head. The biggest example that comes to mind is Abraham, who had his second son by his second wife in their elder years. His first wife was an Arab, so he gets credit for being the father of the Arab & Jewish peoples.

I don't remember God giving him a hard time about two wives...as a matter of fact I believe he found favor in God's eyes.

33 posted on 07/12/2011 9:30:31 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Retired COB; DonaldC

Again, when the Bible mentions that something occurred, God is not saying that He approves of that particular activity.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 9:32:38 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: DonaldC
Polygamy is REFERENCED in the Bible, but NEVER condoned ... It is only condemned for pastors and then not terribly strongly.

My copy of the Christian Scriptures strongly condemns adultery throughout. The only condoned sexual conduct that I have found in that document is either "single and celebrate" or "married and faithful."

35 posted on 07/12/2011 9:33:17 AM PDT by Zakeet (The Wee Wee's real birth certificate got shredded with his Rezko mortgage records)
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This was ALWAYS the next step after "homosexual" marriage.

36 posted on 07/12/2011 9:35:50 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fishtank

“when the Bible mentions that something occurred, God is not saying that He approves”

The opposite is also true, it is not an automatic condemnation.


37 posted on 07/12/2011 9:37:03 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Retired COB

He did find favor in God’s eyes. As did David, who committed adultery and murder, and so forth. God forgave their sin. He did not condone it.

The Bible shows us the fruit of multiple marriage and describes in savage detail the devastation it brings.

Solomon was lost due to his many wives, who turned his heart from the LORD.

The agonizing fighting between rival women, for example Samuel’s mother and her “sister-wife,” is detailed.

The antagonism between the sons of Jacob, to the point of the favorite of his favorite wife being nearly murdered, then sold into slavery (Joseph) due to the intense jealousy polygamy creates, is shown.

The rivalry between Jacob and Esau is STILL causing WARS in which millions at this point have been KILLED.

God created Adam and Eve. He gave Adam ONE wife. So it is and so it ever should be. That is normative; that is right; that is God’s intention and design.


38 posted on 07/12/2011 9:37:31 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DonaldC; fishtank
"It is only condemned for pastors and then not terribly strongly."

And in a recent article posted on FR someone who supports queers marrying one another said:

"I think Jesus' commandment that we love our neighbor trumps everything else. We are to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and our neighbor as ourselves. There is no modification to say 'except the neighbor whose lifestyle you disagree with,' " he said.

You can make up whatever you like and find some way to have Scripture agree with your preconception whether it's polygamy or queers marrying. If "not terribly strongly" is a part of your criteria, then you can't complain about the people who rationalize everything from the Armenian genocide to the use of Zyklon B gas on the Jews.

39 posted on 07/12/2011 9:41:36 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I see you understand the logic of homosexual marriage....it is the destruction of sexual morality. There will be no “right and wrong”, “good and evil” other than what Marx and government forces us to teach our children.

There will be no true Christianity and Judaism allowed.....no freedom of religion and freedom of thought. You will be told what is considered moral determined by perverted, self-indulgent man with no regard to equal rights and dignity to men and women. Mankind will be reduced to animals so that they have no dignity and worth and can be eliminated by the state.

Universal Truths—foundation of Natural Law Theory—and the foundation of the US government will be destroyed under the atheist/pagan/marxist/progressive paradigm.

But that is their intention—to create a one world government where man is god and decides good and evil.


40 posted on 07/12/2011 9:45:29 AM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: fishtank

Polygamy is inevitable.


41 posted on 07/12/2011 9:46:29 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: fishtank

Congress only allowed Utah, and Idaho, and Arizona, and Oklahoma, into the Union if they would forever foreswear plural marriage.

This move is a direct challenge to the moral natural law basis of our free republic, in more ways than one.


42 posted on 07/12/2011 9:48:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The tea party was and is about the right to govern ourselves, according to natural right.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Polygamy is inevitable.

Maybe so, but my oath to my wife was to "Keep myself only unto thee". She took the same oath. If she decides to get a second husband, I think I'll leave.

43 posted on 07/12/2011 9:52:06 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The Republican Party’s founding basis is found in their 1856 platform, in which their prime motivation and mission is stated as combating “the twin relics of barbarism: slavery and polygamy.”

Polygamy is a return to barbarism.


44 posted on 07/12/2011 9:54:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The tea party was and is about the right to govern ourselves, according to natural right.)
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To: Retired COB; fishtank
I don't remember God giving him a hard time about two wives...as a matter of fact I believe he found favor in God's eyes.

Abraham found favor with God because of his faith and not his actions. All mankind is lost in sin - even Abraham, Moses, and me and you.

Abraham found as all men find that his own works were sinful, that he had no record of perfection to offer God, and therefore that he was ungodly under the law of God. Finding himself in sin, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Romans 4:3).

Abraham sinned and was ungodly, so could not offer his own record of perfection nor demand the reward (Romans 3:23; 4:2, 4-5). The only way God could put down righteousness to the account of a sinner is by forgiving the sin, thus giving a gift of grace or unmerited favor. Such a favor could be bestowed universally and unconditionally upon all men, or conditionally and, therefore, only upon those meeting the condition. Abraham found that God justifies the ungodly by grace, upon the condition of faith. What must God see and record in order for His ledger to show us being innocent, just or righteous? Abraham's faith is regarded and recorded for righteousness.

45 posted on 07/12/2011 10:00:34 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: fishtank

San Francisco, 2039:

“Do you, Oh’Bhama D’yleesh’ia Sho’n’tae, take this arificial person to be your lawfully recognized sexual partner.......”


46 posted on 07/12/2011 10:01:15 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: Retired COB; fishtank
I'm not a Morman, so I can't think of all of the examples of multiple wives in the Bible off the top of my head. The biggest example that comes to mind is Abraham, who had his second son by his second wife in their elder years.

Yes, there was polygamy in OT times (at times). But Abraham was NOT a polygamist.

The lone reference to Hagar being a "wife" of Abraham was his wife, Sarah, saying he would give him her servant for childbearing purposes.

After she was pregnant, all the references to Hagar are NOT as a "wife," but still as Sarah's servant.

Abraham references her that way; so does the Angel of the Lord; so does Moses (who wrote Genesis); so does the apostle Paul in Galatians 4:21-31.

Abraham took another wife after Sarah died.

Jacob was a polygamist; but that was something that developed directly due to deception. Solomon was a polygamist, but that was heavily frowned upon in one of the books of Kings -- essentially proving Deut 17:17 -- that polygamy would take away a man's devotion to the Lord.

Some of the other OT mentions of polygamists involved people who were hardly "models" of the Lord. We know David had wives and concubines; some of the concubines he simply inherited when he became king...we don't know if he slept with any of them. We know some of David's wives were not simultaneous to others.

47 posted on 07/12/2011 10:03:28 AM PDT by Colofornian (The Mormon church regards 100% of the founding fathers as apostates from the 'true' church)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

When everything is ‘marriage’, nothing is marriage.


48 posted on 07/12/2011 10:05:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: Retired COB
I don't remember God giving him a hard time about two wives...as a matter of fact I believe he found favor in God's eyes.

One other thing...we don't know how many times Abraham slept with Hagar since she is never post-sleeping with him (becoming pregnant) referenced as his wife. Could have been a week for all we know.

Besides, if we took what you're saying as applicable, God told Hosea to take a prostitute (Gomer) as a wife -- and Gomer kept that as a sort of "cottage industry" post-marriage. Just because God blessed Hosea doesn't equate to advising others to take up prostitute-wives who remain active prostitutes.

49 posted on 07/12/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by Colofornian (The Mormon church regards 100% of the founding fathers as apostates from the 'true' church)
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To: Retired COB

???

Abraham’s first wife was Sarah, and she was not an Arab. God made promises to Abraham regarding his future offspring, but they eventually became somewhat doubtful of the promise since Sarah was barren. So, she gave Hagar, her Egyptian handmaiden (a slave) to Abraham and Hagar became pregnant. I have read, but I’m no expert so I cant say for sure that during that time if a wife was barren it was not uncommon for the husband to take a slave, or concubine, to have children. I don’t know if they really considered that a true wife.

The child was Ishmael, and Sarah became jealous of Hagar and Ishmael and convinced Abraham to let them go. God promised Ishmael that his offspring would become a thorn in the side of Abraham’s other offspring through Sarah.

Sarah (the first wife) did become pregnant many years later and gave birth to Isaac, which was the source for the Jewish peoples.

So, FIRST wife was Sarah, mother of Isaac and the Jewish peoples.
Slave, concubine Hagar, mother of Ishmael and the Islamic peoples.

I think if God had looked favorably on their lack of faith in his promises for Abraham’s offspring (using Hagar in the first place to get offspring and then turning them out in the dessert), He would not have given Ishmael the “consolation prize” that his offspring would give such grief to God’s chosen people.


50 posted on 07/12/2011 10:10:16 AM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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