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McConnell unveils debt limit ‘Plan B’
washington post ^ | 7/12 | Felicia Sonmez

Posted on 07/12/2011 1:03:07 PM PDT by RummyChick

Edited on 07/12/2011 7:46:03 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: RummyChick

Being from Arizona, I just sent this to Sen Kyle:

Good grief! The deficit will be $1,600 Billion just this year alone! Yet you want to give Obama a blank check - because you know DAMN WELL that your scheme will make it possible for him to raise the debt limit forever!

Stop being such a pathetic pansies and FIGHT for a change! Grow a spine! Borrow one! But stop rolling over and kissing the Democrat’s rear ends!


151 posted on 07/12/2011 3:46:23 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Cboldt

Obama and his cohorts are out of control.


152 posted on 07/12/2011 3:47:03 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Gaffer

tweet:President’s meeting with Congressional leaders over federal debt has ended after 2 hours, source tells Reuters

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148454/Debt-Ceiling-Increase-Remains-Unpopular-Americans.aspx


153 posted on 07/12/2011 3:48:11 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Was anyone watching Boehner just now of Special Report? He said that HE TRUSTS OBAMA! WHAT?!?!?? Boehner needs to go!


154 posted on 07/12/2011 3:49:33 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: RummyChick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQj9o4APqRc

nice ad..but let me add..if Obama wins...Your all outta there...


155 posted on 07/12/2011 3:51:03 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

The GOP is just DUMB!! I can’t believe how dumb they are.


156 posted on 07/12/2011 3:51:06 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: novemberslady
-- Obama and his cohorts are out of control. --

That too. But when it comes to government spending, government programs, and public debt, all of those items originate from and require Congress.

And, should Obama be out of order, Congress has the power of impeachment and removal.

157 posted on 07/12/2011 3:51:54 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: antonico
It’s a bad option that McConnell put forth. He also knows it has no chance of getting support from his own members in the Senate - Rubio, Paul, DeMint, Johnson, Toomey - none of them would support this.

The Dems control the Senate. McConnell doesn't need many Reps to carry his plan forward. The House is where the battle will be fought. The House Dems will support the McConnell plan. It depends how much arm-twisting Boehner can do to get enough Reps to work with the Dems and get a bill passed. Don't forget that it was the Reps who helped Bill Clinton get NAFTA passed.

158 posted on 07/12/2011 3:52:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kcvl

Mitch has said along that no one was seriously talking about not raising the debt ceiling. Were we not believing him?

Note my tagline, I will never again vote for a RINO just because he is better than the other guy, they both travel the same road and that always leads to a gulag.

I don’t want to hear how it is a vote for Obama, not when the RNC is no better.


159 posted on 07/12/2011 3:52:35 PM PDT by itsahoot (Fair warning--I will vote for Palin, if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: RummyChick

jaketapper Jake Tapper
Alan Simpson says Cantor undermined Boehner. “It’s the stuff going on in my party where the pettiness overcomes the patriotism”


160 posted on 07/12/2011 3:53:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: KansasGirl

It is not a matter of being dumb. The GOP establishment favors big government. Both parties are playing games with us. Good cop, bad cop.


161 posted on 07/12/2011 3:55:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: KansasGirl

what did he say about Mcconnell’s plan?


162 posted on 07/12/2011 3:56:47 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: itsahoot

I will vote for Sarah Palin if I have to write in four electors from NH - and I’m glad I don’t live in California.


163 posted on 07/12/2011 3:57:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Cboldt
But when it comes to government spending, government programs, and public debt, all of those items originate from and require Congress

Apparently not.
Obama takes/spends what he wants, when he wants.
To believe otherwise imo is extremely naive.
164 posted on 07/12/2011 3:58:41 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: novemberslady
-- Obama takes/spends what he wants, when he wants.
To believe otherwise imo is extremely naive.
--

What spending has he undertaken, that is not authorized by a spending law?

165 posted on 07/12/2011 4:01:50 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

He said he understands Mitch’s frustration...nobody wants to default...it’s not the only plan out there in case they don’t come to an agreement...everybody agrees there needs to be a backup plan... He said it will never pass the House, that many Republican House members will never support an increase in the debt limit under any circumstances.

Boehner was weak, I thought. Definitely didn’t come off as a someone arguing from a position of strength. Definitely sounded as if he wants to raise the debt limit.


166 posted on 07/12/2011 4:08:36 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: RummyChick

McConnell = sucker first class

playing poker with him is to play with an unarmed brainless idiot.


167 posted on 07/12/2011 4:09:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Cboldt

For instance, were czars authorized by a spending law?


168 posted on 07/12/2011 4:12:55 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Madame Dufarge

I think some of these republicans were ALWAYS going to sell us out. McConnell is always looking for a way out.

This taking away the social security argument is 100% BS designed to fool the rubes.

McConnel should resign any leadership post IMMEDIATLY.

no more trent lott, no more mccain.

no more senate country club.


169 posted on 07/12/2011 4:19:12 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: novemberslady
-- For instance, were czars authorized by a spending law? --

AFAIK, their salaries and staffs operate within an executive budget authorized by Congress. If not, Congress has the power to trim the money. IIRC, Congress toyed with the subject of making it illegal to use allocated funds to pay for czars. I assume that never got past the talking stage.

Anyway, those funds are a drop in the bucket. The difference between Congressionally mandated spending and the Congressionally mandated debt limit is Medicate, Medicaid, Defense, Social Security, and entitlements, mostly, with some amount in maintaining regulatory and judicial activity, plus foreign aid.

I'm not giving Obama a pass, by any means - just asserting that Congress created the debt, deficit and spending issues. Under the Constitution, spending and borrowing is a Congressional function.

170 posted on 07/12/2011 4:20:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/04/18/all-the-presidents-czars-president-obama-will-ignore-czar-ban-in-the-2011-spending-package/


171 posted on 07/12/2011 4:25:40 PM PDT by novemberslady
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172 posted on 07/12/2011 4:27:30 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Cboldt
Anyway, those funds are a drop in the bucket

Not to the taxpayers who work to pay for it.
173 posted on 07/12/2011 4:27:57 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: RummyChick
C-A-V-E-D.

Cowards.

174 posted on 07/12/2011 4:41:17 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: cotton1706; All

Yes ! “US Constitution: Congress shall have the power to borrow money.” That is correct. McConnell is not in Congress, he is in the Senate, and this is his SUGGESTION. The House will not pass it, nor will the Senate from what I am hearing. Mitch needs a Conservative primary challenger!


175 posted on 07/12/2011 4:44:42 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kcvl

The good news is that I tried every phone and boxes are full or lines are busy. The loading time for the email option sent me off to do another task.


176 posted on 07/12/2011 5:07:33 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: subterfuge
"Mitch McConnell wants to make it even easier by allowing Congress to go through a dog and pony show of feigned cuts that never get cut while allowing escalation of our national debt," wrote RedState.com editor Erick Erickson in a post originally titled, "It's Time to Burn Mitch McConnell in Effigy." "2014 cannot come soon enough to destroy the political future of this weasel."

"Three letters come to mind," wrote Michelle Malkin, a conservative commentator. "W.T.F.?!!"

We've been betrayed, once again. Erickson is right, 2014 cannot come soon enough to vote McConnell out of office. I've said it before, I'll say it again, it's time to completely sweep every politician out of Washington, DC. They do not have our best interests in mind, just their own.

177 posted on 07/12/2011 5:11:02 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thank you for posting that..I agree.. he did this before and they fell for it early on. Uses this for his advantage..struts his stuff...and makes the rep.s look foolish to say the least.

I’m so disgusted with the Repubs.they have not figured out how to manever around Obamas plays, even when he’s so obvious, or they simply are putting on a show and have no intentions of carrying thru what they say.


178 posted on 07/12/2011 5:13:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

PDATE: Grover Norquist clarified his position on McConnell’s proposal Tuesday night, insisting that he did not, in fact, endorse the plan. Norquist maintains that he supports forcing the president to put a plan in writing, but does not endorse “any particular debt limit contingency plan.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/12/mcconnell-proposal-on-debt-limit-prompts-swift-backlash-from-conservatives/#ixzz1RwHphGXr


179 posted on 07/12/2011 5:20:41 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: mo

Pass that to the Repubs. I would go for that...the way you wrote this looks like everyones a winner and gets what they want.


180 posted on 07/12/2011 5:22:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: RummyChick

I don’t think there’s any way house Republicans would vote to pass this ridiculous “Plan B.” I guess we’ll see.


181 posted on 07/12/2011 5:26:15 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: antonico
This “proposal” came out WAY too fast after Obama’s threat of Social Security withholding

Obama's not going to stop any S.S. checks...it would be political suicide for the senior vote...he can't afford more voter losses, especially among seniors. I would have called his bluff....but this move by McCon. was quick...what are they doing we are not privy to?

182 posted on 07/12/2011 5:31:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: RummyChick
...Norquist maintains that he supports forcing the president to put a plan in writing...

Then the way to do that is to get Harry Reid to pass a budget in the Senate, since it is controlled by Democrats.

Any Senate plan is, by definition, Obama's plan.

-PJ

183 posted on 07/12/2011 5:31:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: caww
...he did this before and they fell for it early on. Uses this for his advantage..struts his stuff...and makes the rep.s look foolish to say the least.

Exactly.

Republicans gave away all of their leverage during the lame duck session of the 111th Congress.

They were slow to get started in the 112th Congress.

And now they're getting played again by allowing the Senate to be marginalized, and making everything be between the House and Obama.

McConnell should stay out of it until the Senate goes on record with a budget, otherwise, all he's doing is mucking up the works by being a powerless voice who can nothing but undermine his side's position.

-PJ

184 posted on 07/12/2011 5:36:11 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I am here to save my dear President's political career.

I propose that Congress give up their Constitutional authority and
give President Obama unprecedented power to raise the debt ceiling

by $2.4 trillion in three installments through the end of his term!


185 posted on 07/12/2011 5:37:38 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: RummyChick

Thanks for clarifying that.


186 posted on 07/12/2011 5:37:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: Brett11

Tea Party group tells McConnell to ‘find his spine’
By Daniel Strauss - 07/12/11 04:35 PM ET

The influential conservative Tea Party organization FreedomWorks is pushing back on a plan by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to hand much of the responsibility for raising the debt ceiling to President Obama.

“Sen. McConnell thinks cutting spending is too hard. Help him find his spine! Call him at 202-224-2541,” the group tweeted.

The tweet came shortly after McConnell unveiled a plan urging Congress to pass legislation that would allow Obama to make a number of small increases to the debt ceiling.

In McConnell’s plan, Congress could only stop Obama from raising the debt ceiling in comparably small increments by passing disapproval resolutions. The resolutions would require two-thirds’ support in both the House and Senate to overcome Obama’s veto.


187 posted on 07/12/2011 5:39:00 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: gidget7

The senate is part of the congress.


188 posted on 07/12/2011 5:41:03 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: familyop

Like


189 posted on 07/12/2011 5:43:56 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (No one is more against progress than a progressive.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

But PJ they are claiming there just isn’t the time now. Though we certainly know they’ve had all the time in the world but opted to take it to the last minute.

What I just don’t get...is everything seems to be coming down to 10 or 12 people determining the plans and deciding what the score is going to be...it’s as though we have no Congress at all...just these few..and frankly I’m getting pretty tired of Obamas Ex. Orders and these select few running our country. We might as well throw in the congress.


190 posted on 07/12/2011 6:19:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: RummyChick
I'm all for forcing the President to offer up something in writing, not that it would have any real meaning in the end since Obama doesn't play by Honky Rules. But McConnell's proposal should have stayed on the shelf, and frankly, I can't believe that someone in the GOP Senate delegation didn't tell him that. IMO, the GOP should step back from these negotiations, put their heads together, and figure out ways to put Obama on the spot that don't involve caving to him.
191 posted on 07/12/2011 6:39:47 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Government doesn't create jobs, it only creates expenses.)
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To: caww

If the McConnell plan gets approved by Congress, there will be a revolt by the Tea Party movement and calls for a third party to nominate someone we can support in 2012. Hear me now, believe me later. This could be the straw that broke the camel’s back.


192 posted on 07/12/2011 6:51:08 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RummyChick

They’ll just build up suspence and put on a big show until the 11th hour. Then they’ll strike a “deal” and kick the can further down the road.


193 posted on 07/12/2011 7:04:59 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Aglooka

194 posted on 07/12/2011 7:21:16 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Cboldt
"And, should Obama be out of order, Congress has the power of impeachment and removal."

Those jackasses in the Senate would never remove that horse's ass. Too closely related.

195 posted on 07/12/2011 7:24:36 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Soothesayer9

twitter:
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cantor sends mcconnell to bachmann clinic to cure his disloyalty


196 posted on 07/12/2011 7:26:24 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Democratic leaders: We don’t know who’s running GOP debt talks

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/170931-dem-leaders-we-dont-know-whos-in-charge-of-gop

House Democratic leaders say they’re no longer certain who’s negotiating a debt deal on behalf of the GOP, a message they’re pushing to posit a growing rift between Republican leaders


197 posted on 07/12/2011 7:27:45 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

The Racket.

All part of the DC Banking Investment Bureaucracy Racket. The ones that actually have the Puppet spammer on leash.

The same ones that actually agreed to meet with the Spammer at Blair House for the “We Won” Vampire-Care so called conference.

Notice again the timing for the extension..right into the implementation of Vampire-care 2013, what the Racket is counting on.


199 posted on 07/12/2011 8:00:48 PM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: RummyChick

What is the difference between Mitch’s Plan B and Obama’s Plan A?


200 posted on 07/12/2011 8:08:58 PM PDT by mom.mom
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