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Pakistan could "pull troops from Afghan border" if U.S. cuts aid
Yahoo/Reuters ^ | 12 July 2011 | Zeeshan Haider

Posted on 07/12/2011 2:00:05 PM PDT by CharlyFord

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan could pull back troops fighting Islamist militants near the Afghan border if the United States cuts off aid, the defense minister said on Tuesday in an interview with Pakistani media.

The United States Monday said it would hold back $800 million -- a third of nearly $2 billion in security aid to Pakistan -- in a show of displeasure over Pakistan's removal of U.S. military trainers, limits on visas for U.S. personnel and other bilateral irritants.

"If at all things become difficult, we will just get all our forces back," Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar said in an interview with the Express 24/7 television to be aired later on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghan; afghanistan; foreignaid; india; kashmir; muslims; pakistan; waronterror
Cut off all aid to Pakistan. Our seniors need that $2 billion! Pull out troops out of Pakistan and Afghan. Apologize to India and Russia. Tell them they can kick a$$ all they want!
1 posted on 07/12/2011 2:00:12 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: CharlyFord

Fine... We should vacate the entire area and leave a carrier group nearby. If any targets arise, we’ll take’em out. Let the cavemen build their own nation(s).


2 posted on 07/12/2011 2:03:42 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: CharlyFord

BOOM!!! Several times. End of problem.


3 posted on 07/12/2011 2:04:47 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: CharlyFord

I’m pretty sure we can get the same results from Pakistan for free. We’ve been giving billions we can’t afford to a nation which has been hiding Osama bin Laden from us, nurturing the Taliban and dispensing nuclear technology to the likes of North Korea and Iran.


4 posted on 07/12/2011 2:06:24 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Dont we have ties to India. Maybe we could give them $800m to go into Pakistan and clean up the light weight


5 posted on 07/12/2011 2:14:27 PM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: Baseballguy

The time for that has long passed:

CIA tip off prevented Indo-Israeli strike on Pakistan N-facility in ‘80s

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1917603/posts

India, Israel planned to hit Kahuta in early ‘80s

NEW DELHI Oct. 28 (APP): India and Israel had secretly planned to hit Pakistan’s nuclear facility in Kahuta near Islamabad in 1983-84, but backed off when the CIA in 1984 tipped off then President General Zia-ul Haq.

“The Asian Age” reported this in its report published on Sunday from London quoting details revealed by investigative journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark in their new book, Deception: Pakistan, the United States and the Global Weapons Conspiracy.

The authors also revealed details about India’s secret intelligence links with Israel at the time when officially the two countries did not have any diplomatic contacts. “In February 1983, with the strike plan at an advanced stage, Indian military officials had travelled secretly to Israel, which had a common interest in eliminating (A.Q.) Khan, to buy electronic warfare equipment to neutralise Kahuta’s air defences,” the book said.

India put its plans on hold after Raja Ramanna, then director of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, was warned by the then Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission Munir Ahmed Khan in Vienna in the autumn of 1983 that Islamabad would attack Trombay, if its facilities in Kahuta were attacked.

At this juncture, the book said, Israel suggested that they would carry out the raid on Kahuta using the Indian Jamnagar base in Gujarat to launch its jets and another IAF base in northern India to refuel. “In March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation, bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration.”

However, the authors said India and Israel backed off from the plan after the CIA tipped off President Zia ul Haq and the US state department warned India that “the US will be responsive if India persists.”

The book further said Prime Minister Indira Gandhi then aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem. The authors quoting Gen. K.M. Arif, who was at the time Vice Chief of Pakistan Army as saying: “Our friends had let us know what the Israelis and Indians intended to do, and so we let them know how we would respond. Both sides were harrying the other and were absolutely aware of the consequences of every move. In the end, it was India that blinked.”


6 posted on 07/12/2011 2:32:11 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: CharlyFord

I’d let Pakistan fall like a house of cards, bet.

India is where it is at except with our current idiot-ridden occupants in the WH, they fail miserably in realizing this. =.=


7 posted on 07/12/2011 2:35:53 PM PDT by cranked
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To: CharlyFord

Good, then we can carpet bomb the entire region and not have to worry about “friendly” casualties.


8 posted on 07/12/2011 2:56:55 PM PDT by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: CharlyFord

The Pakistani troops on the border are part of the problem.


9 posted on 07/12/2011 3:02:51 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: CharlyFord

They’re asking for it


10 posted on 07/12/2011 3:22:31 PM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: CharlyFord

Remove troops from the Afghan border? Why, that would make the Khyber pass into a lawless no-man’s land. Terrorists, drug smugglers and slavers would have the free run of it. Oh, wait. They already do.


11 posted on 07/12/2011 3:26:19 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: dangerdoc
The Pakistani troops on the border are part of the problem.

Yep. The troops on the border are as much of a problem as the 166 million (97% of population) Muslims in Pakistan.

Was anyone really surprised that they hid bin Laden from us? he was and is their hero.

If we stay there, we are gonna end up fighting the Pakistanis. They don't like us!

12 posted on 07/12/2011 3:43:45 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: CharlyFord

Good, make the border area a free fire zone.


13 posted on 07/12/2011 3:43:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Pelosi: Obamacare indulgences for sale.)
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To: CharlyFord

You get my vote!


14 posted on 07/12/2011 3:47:30 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Eleutheria5

LOL @ Post 11!


15 posted on 07/12/2011 3:50:06 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MestaMachine


16 posted on 07/12/2011 3:54:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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17 posted on 07/12/2011 4:09:37 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: CharlyFord
good... that makes it a FreeFireZone!!!
18 posted on 07/12/2011 4:42:14 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Oh, heavens to betsy, it’ll be crucial to maintain that aid, particularly after US forces remove from Afghanistan and- oh, wait...

Thanks CharlyFord.

BTW, what’s this “Pakistan” I keep hearing about?


19 posted on 07/12/2011 5:03:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Eleutheria5

You guys forget something.

America has about 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. These troops are supplied via Pakistan and there are no viable alternative supply routes. The Pakistanis could very easily jeopardize these supply routes and frustrate the American occupation of Afghanistan.

A viable alternative would be to just pull out of Afghanistan and leave those people to stew in their own juices, but that would send a message that America is fickle and cannot be trusted. On the balance, America can live with that.

When America eventually pulls out of Afghanistan, Russia, India and China will step up the plate. Recent history shows that these three countries have absolutely no qualms in killing large numbers of Muslims if the need arises.

They are unlikely to waste their resources in a “tar baby” type situation, but they’ll make sure that “whatever happens in Afghanistan stays in Afghanistan”.


20 posted on 07/12/2011 5:09:21 PM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: dangerdoc

Maybe the Paki’s can use those troops on our border with Mexico.
But really, How come it seems we always pick the wrong horse?


21 posted on 07/12/2011 6:00:50 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: CharlyFord

Since when has Pakistan even cared about the Pak-Afghan border?

We give pakistan money out of fear the government will collapse and their nukes will be on the loose.


22 posted on 07/12/2011 6:52:33 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Baseballguy
Dont we have ties to India. Maybe we could give them $800m to go into Pakistan and clean up the light weight

The Pakistanis have a decent supply of nuclear weapons and a hysterical paranoia about India - the Indians would probably have to absorb a few nuclear strikes to invade Pakistan and their reward for all this would probably be a few million Pakistani Muslim refugees who all hate India flooding across the border.
23 posted on 07/12/2011 8:27:15 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AfricanChristian

All true enough. The only other rout for supplies would be through Georgia or some other former Soviet Republic, and that would require some major concession to Russia, which would yield uncertain returns to put it mildly. This is why Dubya didn’t want to increase troop levels there in the first place; to keep the supply requirements low. But if Pashtun raiders want to disrupt supply lines along the Khyber Pass, they’ll do it with or without Pakistani soldiers on the border, as they have in the past.


24 posted on 07/13/2011 1:19:32 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

What of sabotage within Pakistan, like the very convenient blowing up of gasoline tankers within Pakistan last year?

The Pakistanis hate Americans. They squeezed you for all you were worth during Charlie Wilson’s war then you abandoned them. 9/11 provided them another opportunity to extort you - which they are doing.

It is not in Pakistan’s interest for the Taliban to be defeated, cause as long as the Taliban remains in Afghanistan, America has a reason to remain there. And as long as America remains there you have to bankroll their military build up against India, their atomic program and the terrorist activities they fund in Kashmir.

Were Nixon and Kissinger stupid to favour Pakistan over India? I don’t know, but the end result is that India will not fully trust the US for at least two generations and Pakistan will never be a reliable ally.


25 posted on 07/13/2011 2:15:09 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian

Hundred percent. Israel has a natural ally in India. We both face the same psychotic cut-throat adversaries, and we both must deal with the same equivocating “ally,” the US, that can’t understand why Muslim nations keep doing a number on it; maybe if the US screwed Israel or India or both a little harder?


26 posted on 07/13/2011 2:29:06 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Refugees usually don't flee TOWARDS the invading country. And for sure those refugees wont be welcomed with open arms by India. Secondly if there is a Pakistani nuclear strike, there will also be a an Indian nuclear strike and it wont be a “few”. It would be massive and complete annihilation of Pakistan according to Indian nuclear doctrine.
27 posted on 07/13/2011 2:36:24 PM PDT by ravager
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To: AfricanChristian
“Were Nixon and Kissinger stupid to favour Pakistan over India? I don’t know,”

That should have been a clear choice to even the most brain dead retard. The worst choices ever made have the most long term damaging consequences. Current Pak issue is the result of that disastrous choice made by Nixon and Kissinger. And then you make wrong choices one after another to fix the original mistake. In short that is the story of US-Pak-India right now.

28 posted on 07/13/2011 2:56:31 PM PDT by ravager
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