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Norquist: Time to Force Obama’s Hand (Commenting on McConnell's new proposal
National Review ^ | July 12th | Andrew Stiles

Posted on 07/12/2011 3:41:15 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, says he supports Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's "contingency plan" designed to force President Obama to assume nearly all of the responsibility for raising the debt ceiling.

"Obama is playing politics," Norquist tells National Review Online in an interview. "Republicans need to force him to do what the established press is not doing. He says he’s got a serious proposal. Could we see it written down please?"

McConnell’s plan would require the president to submit, in detail, a list of spending cuts of equal or greater value than the amount of debt increase he is requesting (about $2.5 trillion). "Obama wants to claim to the American people that he's seriously willing to reduce spending and he’s not seriously taxing everybody and his brother," Norquist says. "He's lying. It’s time to end this fiction that he’s negotiating in good faith. They’ve got to force him to put in writing what the hell he thinks he’s doing."

He blames the "established press" for allowing the president to get away with putting out a horrendous budget earlier this year, and allowing Senate Democrats to get away with having gone more than 800 days without even passing a budget. Members of the media and their Democratic cohorts, he says, have convinced themselves that Republicans will eventually cave and agree to raise taxes, as they did in 1982 and 1990. But they are perilously mistaken. "Most the people around in ’82 and ’90 are dead now!" he exclaims. "That's a long time ago. Democrats think because MSNBC says we've got them on the ropes, that Republicans will fold and raise taxes. They’re nuts."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; mcconnell; norquist; norquist4illegals; norquist4islam; norquist4sharia; senate
I don't buy it. McConnell's proposal stinks.

If some of you think Norquist is right, that this is good politicking, well that's your call. I think this is spin.

1 posted on 07/12/2011 3:41:26 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Spin. It will still give Obama all the spending he wants.


2 posted on 07/12/2011 3:43:04 PM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The way I read this is that Obama proposes a debt ceiling increase along with a list of whatever cuts he wants and the package takes effect unless Congress votes to disapprove. Obama gets an immediate ceiling increase and the cuts come over time, if at all. What a deal...
3 posted on 07/12/2011 3:47:00 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Obama will spend it all, and then some. He will declare himself a hero, and the MSM will crown him.

Spin doesn’t begin to describe this.

Bull$hit does!!


4 posted on 07/12/2011 3:47:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’m tired of all this flim flam BS.

Just cut the budget, lower taxes and run my government efficiently.

These people act like little kids fighting over some trivial thing when the whole problem could be cured with some common sense.


5 posted on 07/12/2011 3:48:38 PM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

McConnell’s proposal wouldn’t suck quite as much if it weren’t for the 2/3rds vote thing.


6 posted on 07/12/2011 3:49:18 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
a list of spending cuts of equal or greater value than the amount of debt increase he is requesting (about $2.5 trillion).

And there's gotta be a vetting process on the spending cuts. Else this will end like last time where there were 300+ million dollars of cuts that ended up being 33 million once the mirrors were broken and the smoke blew away.

And the spending cuts should happen in the next year or so. NOT be spread out over 10 years. Like that's gonna happen. Next lie?

7 posted on 07/12/2011 3:49:37 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: upchuck

Norquist and McConnells are RINOS


8 posted on 07/12/2011 3:51:59 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

GOP Leadership Fights for Taxpayers

9 posted on 07/12/2011 3:52:57 PM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The only change I'd make is for the House vote to be a simple majority, while the Senate can keep the 2/3. The real win is getting a detailed spending cut proposal from Obama, and making him own the debt. It's really the only way I see to force his hand and make the President get in front of this instead of leading from behind, which has been his pattern since Day One.
10 posted on 07/12/2011 3:53:04 PM PDT by Carling (At some point, those surrounding Obama have to realize that they are working for a psychopath)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If democrats want to raise the EPA budget by 20% but they only get to raise it by 10%, they call the other 10% a cut.

This just ought to be rich.


11 posted on 07/12/2011 3:58:19 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
This is unalloyed rubbish. Norquist simply does not get it. Forcing Obama to enumerate his spending cuts in writing will do nothing to advance the cause. Obama will simply identify amorphous out year cuts which will never come to pass but the same media that now declines to bring Obama to account for failure to come up with a credible list of spending cuts will certainly decline to call him to account for a fraudulent proposal promising cuts in the far by-and-by.

But beyond all that, this is a dire situation for the country and Norquist and McConnell at best are playing semantic games. At worst, they have committed a tragic blunder. They have no strategy and no sense of how to explain a strategy if they could come up with one. Why have they not passed legislation in the House, for example, which would purport to compel Obama to pay the nation's debts first and are soldiers 2nd and are Social Security recipients 3rd? There is plenty of money to cover these items. Let Obama veto such a bill. Or let Harry Reid ignore it to death in the Senate. But at least the Republicans are on record and a will be ahead in the blame game which seems to be so important now to McConnell.

After the legislation goes through there will be no way that the Republicans can marshal enough votes to control Obama's spending. This is about the stupidest ploy one can imagine. God help us if Obama simply takes McConnell up on this and produces a bogus list. At that point, the Republicans will have shot their bolt and the country will go into a Marxist vortex, just what Obama wants.


12 posted on 07/12/2011 3:58:46 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Codeflier

Exactly. McConnell is saying.....okay I give up, let Obama spend all the money he wants cause he will pay for it later.
The problem is the consequences. The American public is not looking at this as politics.


13 posted on 07/12/2011 4:02:43 PM PDT by sheana
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Sure does look a lot like TARP 2, 3 and 4, doesn’t it?

Barry gets a checkbook, a line of credit, and can apply for loans by making executive promises, which of course will be waived and all blamed on the Bush depression of 2012.


14 posted on 07/12/2011 4:03:34 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This is certainly not how this proposal has been described. What stands out is that it takes a supermajority to stop his debt limit increases regardless. He could do the same creative accounting he did with HC reform and keep the debt limit going through the roof for the rest of his term. I don’t think McConnell understands the ultimate goal of this. Instead he has managed to make himself and Republicans look like transparent fools.


15 posted on 07/12/2011 4:05:39 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Does ANYONE believe this would force Obama to reveal any real cuts? Or that Obama would pay any political price for signing this?
16 posted on 07/12/2011 4:06:16 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I lost most respect for Grover years ago. He’s a one trick pony.


17 posted on 07/12/2011 4:08:20 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Mitt Romney makes Nelson Rockefeller look like Ronald Reagan. NO MITT 2012.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Mitch is nuts.

Why not propose eliminating the House of Representatives while he`s at it.

And Norquist,

“It is with a heavy heart therefore, that I am posting this article, which is the most complete documentation extant of Grover Norquist’s activities in behalf of the Islamist Fifth Column. I have confronted Grover about these issues and have talked to others who have done likewise. But it has been left to Frank Gaffney and a few others, including Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson, to make the case and to suffer the inevitable recriminations that have followed earlier disclosures of some aspects of this story.”

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=15084


18 posted on 07/12/2011 4:08:32 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I pay no attention to anything that this quisling Dhimmi (Norquist) has to say on anything. (The fact that anyone considers him a “conservative” is an appalling abomination.)
19 posted on 07/12/2011 4:09:20 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

What most people here don’t understand, is Norquist plan is NOT about SAVING the country, it’s about regaining power, no matter what the cost. It’s not about principle, it’s about power.


20 posted on 07/12/2011 4:10:05 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: silverleaf

It looks bad for us.....we have no leadership whatsoever.


21 posted on 07/12/2011 4:12:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Exactly. I’m not certain that he is merely a Dhimmi, or is actually a crypto-moslem at this point.


22 posted on 07/12/2011 4:13:20 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

McConnell: “... Democrats think because MSNBC says we’ve got them on the ropes, that Republicans will fold and raise taxes. They’re nuts.”

Weird spin, attempting to define victory down. McConnell is saying that simply approving the debt limit increase is a victory for Republicans, as long as they don’t raise taxes.

Which is obviously phony because if Republicans had wanted that, they could have quietly approved the debt limit increase months ago. No one in the world would have noticed the quick vote, like most of the debt limit increases in our history.


23 posted on 07/12/2011 4:14:07 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“Spending Cuts of equal or greater value to the amount of the rise in the debt ceiling” is and only is a raising of the debt ceiling. All the trumpeted cuts in the world will not lower the final amount that is spent. A spending cut is the subtraction of a miniscule portion of the projected statutory rise in spending of a program which “natural” increase has been inflated for public consumption in the first place. So the program is scheduled to rise in cost by 5% and the Congressmen have announced that it will have to rise by 10% and then they “cut” that figure to 8% and voila! they have enacted a 25% spending cut but the cost of the program still rises by 8%. ANY raising of the debt ceiling is a humble offering to the Democrat King in the hope that Republicans will not find themselves omitted from Democrat cocktail party guest lists.

The Republicans should reply to demands for a debt ceiling rise with a SERIOUS proposal to lower the debt ceiling.


24 posted on 07/12/2011 4:14:12 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Consider the logic of this. A rise in the debt ceiling IS an increase in spending. No quid pro quo is anything but an INCREASE IN SPENDING so long as the debt ceiling is raised. There is no overall spending cut so long as a greater amount of money is borrowed.

Trading "cuts" for a debt limit rise is feeding unicorns on the lawn.

25 posted on 07/12/2011 4:17:48 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

McConnell’s an idiot. Idiot!

This gives Obama everything he wants except the tax hike. Obama will just jack up spending and the debt ceiling and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop him. There’s no way the GOP will override a veto. If... IF he proposes any cuts they’ll be unicorn cuts, figments of myth and imagination.

How stupid can the Stupid Party get? This is so darn frustrating.


26 posted on 07/12/2011 4:18:51 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

We don’t want a debt ceiling increase! NO!

FOOLS!


27 posted on 07/12/2011 4:23:51 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: nathanbedford

H.R.728
Latest Title: To require that the Government give priority to payment of all obligations on the debt held by the public, payment of Social Security benefits, and military funding in the event that the debt limit is reached.
Sponsor: Rep Stutzman, Marlin A. [IN-3] (introduced 2/15/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills:H.R.568, S.259
Latest Major Action: 2/15/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
..............................

H.R.568
Latest Title: To require that the Government give priority to payment of all obligations on the debt held by the public and payment of Social Security benefits in the event that the debt limit is reached.
Sponsor: Rep Heller, Dean [NV-2] (introduced 2/9/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills:H.R.421, H.R.728, S.163, S.259
Latest Major Action: 2/9/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

..............................
And this one is in committee in both House and Senate

H.R.421
Latest Title: Full Faith and Credit Act
Sponsor: Rep McClintock, Tom [CA-4] (introduced 1/25/2011) Cosponsors (101)
Related Bills:H.R.568, S.163, S.259
Latest Major Action: 1/25/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

Full Faith and Credit Act - Requires the authority of the Department of the Treasury to pay the principal and interest on debt held by the public to take priority over all other obligations incurred by the government in the event the federal debt reaches the statutory limit.
..................

But nothing is on the floor.


28 posted on 07/12/2011 4:23:55 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Joe Six-pack doesn’t remember what he had for dinner last night,let alone budget issues or the national debt.

I can tell you one thing Obama will do with his new fat check book...a COLA increase for all seniors in 2013 (for their vote).


29 posted on 07/12/2011 4:27:26 PM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: GreaterSwiss; All

Far worse than just a RINO is old Grover! Grover Norquist......married to a muslim. Founder of the islamic institute. He is also a policy maker, agenda setter, fund raiser, lobbyist and overall heavy hitter for C.A.I.R. That’s right....C.A.I.R. The American based muslim terrorist front group dedicated to our nation’s destruction. That is Grover Norquist!


30 posted on 07/12/2011 4:27:42 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

More in depth discussions lead me to the following:

Obama can only raise the debt ceiling to the extent it is matched by spending cuts.
The House will ensure Defense doesn’t bear an unreasonable portion of the cuts.


31 posted on 07/12/2011 4:46:56 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Norquist is a bogus Islamophile. Less credibility with me as a "Conservative" than McConnell, and that's saying something.

This is "cant" from the bought and paid for "Conservative-flavored" Washington lobbyists, going all wobbly on us. Their pissing their pants, tired of answering all those phone calls from all those industry reps in DC, worried about their checks getting interrupted.

The Debt Ceiling IS Congress' baby. Not the Usurper's. They CAN'T cede their authority to Caligula.

32 posted on 07/12/2011 4:52:43 PM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

His plan is the prelude to the “Grand Bargain”. It will be worse than you can imagine.


33 posted on 07/12/2011 4:57:36 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This is just more proof that this country really only has one political party.


35 posted on 07/12/2011 5:14:32 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Get real Mitch. The guy just spent 2.5 years getting all of this spending legislation passed. He is not going to turn around and give it back. Barry is not going to cut spending. Not gonna happen.


36 posted on 07/12/2011 9:47:28 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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