Skip to comments.Norquist: Time to Force Obama’s Hand (Commenting on McConnell's new proposal
Posted on 07/12/2011 3:41:15 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, says he supports Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's "contingency plan" designed to force President Obama to assume nearly all of the responsibility for raising the debt ceiling.
"Obama is playing politics," Norquist tells National Review Online in an interview. "Republicans need to force him to do what the established press is not doing. He says hes got a serious proposal. Could we see it written down please?"
McConnells plan would require the president to submit, in detail, a list of spending cuts of equal or greater value than the amount of debt increase he is requesting (about $2.5 trillion). "Obama wants to claim to the American people that he's seriously willing to reduce spending and hes not seriously taxing everybody and his brother," Norquist says. "He's lying. Its time to end this fiction that hes negotiating in good faith. Theyve got to force him to put in writing what the hell he thinks hes doing."
He blames the "established press" for allowing the president to get away with putting out a horrendous budget earlier this year, and allowing Senate Democrats to get away with having gone more than 800 days without even passing a budget. Members of the media and their Democratic cohorts, he says, have convinced themselves that Republicans will eventually cave and agree to raise taxes, as they did in 1982 and 1990. But they are perilously mistaken. "Most the people around in 82 and 90 are dead now!" he exclaims. "That's a long time ago. Democrats think because MSNBC says we've got them on the ropes, that Republicans will fold and raise taxes. Theyre nuts."
If some of you think Norquist is right, that this is good politicking, well that's your call. I think this is spin.
Spin. It will still give Obama all the spending he wants.
Obama will spend it all, and then some. He will declare himself a hero, and the MSM will crown him.
Spin doesn’t begin to describe this.
I’m tired of all this flim flam BS.
Just cut the budget, lower taxes and run my government efficiently.
These people act like little kids fighting over some trivial thing when the whole problem could be cured with some common sense.
McConnell’s proposal wouldn’t suck quite as much if it weren’t for the 2/3rds vote thing.
And there's gotta be a vetting process on the spending cuts. Else this will end like last time where there were 300+ million dollars of cuts that ended up being 33 million once the mirrors were broken and the smoke blew away.
And the spending cuts should happen in the next year or so. NOT be spread out over 10 years. Like that's gonna happen. Next lie?
Norquist and McConnells are RINOS
GOP Leadership Fights for Taxpayers
If democrats want to raise the EPA budget by 20% but they only get to raise it by 10%, they call the other 10% a cut.
This just ought to be rich.
But beyond all that, this is a dire situation for the country and Norquist and McConnell at best are playing semantic games. At worst, they have committed a tragic blunder. They have no strategy and no sense of how to explain a strategy if they could come up with one. Why have they not passed legislation in the House, for example, which would purport to compel Obama to pay the nation's debts first and are soldiers 2nd and are Social Security recipients 3rd? There is plenty of money to cover these items. Let Obama veto such a bill. Or let Harry Reid ignore it to death in the Senate. But at least the Republicans are on record and a will be ahead in the blame game which seems to be so important now to McConnell.
After the legislation goes through there will be no way that the Republicans can marshal enough votes to control Obama's spending. This is about the stupidest ploy one can imagine. God help us if Obama simply takes McConnell up on this and produces a bogus list. At that point, the Republicans will have shot their bolt and the country will go into a Marxist vortex, just what Obama wants.
Exactly. McConnell is saying.....okay I give up, let Obama spend all the money he wants cause he will pay for it later.
The problem is the consequences. The American public is not looking at this as politics.
Sure does look a lot like TARP 2, 3 and 4, doesn’t it?
Barry gets a checkbook, a line of credit, and can apply for loans by making executive promises, which of course will be waived and all blamed on the Bush depression of 2012.
This is certainly not how this proposal has been described. What stands out is that it takes a supermajority to stop his debt limit increases regardless. He could do the same creative accounting he did with HC reform and keep the debt limit going through the roof for the rest of his term. I don’t think McConnell understands the ultimate goal of this. Instead he has managed to make himself and Republicans look like transparent fools.
I lost most respect for Grover years ago. He’s a one trick pony.
Mitch is nuts.
Why not propose eliminating the House of Representatives while he`s at it.
“It is with a heavy heart therefore, that I am posting this article, which is the most complete documentation extant of Grover Norquists activities in behalf of the Islamist Fifth Column. I have confronted Grover about these issues and have talked to others who have done likewise. But it has been left to Frank Gaffney and a few others, including Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson, to make the case and to suffer the inevitable recriminations that have followed earlier disclosures of some aspects of this story.”
What most people here don’t understand, is Norquist plan is NOT about SAVING the country, it’s about regaining power, no matter what the cost. It’s not about principle, it’s about power.
It looks bad for us.....we have no leadership whatsoever.
Exactly. I’m not certain that he is merely a Dhimmi, or is actually a crypto-moslem at this point.
McConnell: “... Democrats think because MSNBC says we’ve got them on the ropes, that Republicans will fold and raise taxes. Theyre nuts.”
Weird spin, attempting to define victory down. McConnell is saying that simply approving the debt limit increase is a victory for Republicans, as long as they don’t raise taxes.
Which is obviously phony because if Republicans had wanted that, they could have quietly approved the debt limit increase months ago. No one in the world would have noticed the quick vote, like most of the debt limit increases in our history.
“Spending Cuts of equal or greater value to the amount of the rise in the debt ceiling” is and only is a raising of the debt ceiling. All the trumpeted cuts in the world will not lower the final amount that is spent. A spending cut is the subtraction of a miniscule portion of the projected statutory rise in spending of a program which “natural” increase has been inflated for public consumption in the first place. So the program is scheduled to rise in cost by 5% and the Congressmen have announced that it will have to rise by 10% and then they “cut” that figure to 8% and voila! they have enacted a 25% spending cut but the cost of the program still rises by 8%. ANY raising of the debt ceiling is a humble offering to the Democrat King in the hope that Republicans will not find themselves omitted from Democrat cocktail party guest lists.
The Republicans should reply to demands for a debt ceiling rise with a SERIOUS proposal to lower the debt ceiling.
Trading "cuts" for a debt limit rise is feeding unicorns on the lawn.
McConnell’s an idiot. Idiot!
This gives Obama everything he wants except the tax hike. Obama will just jack up spending and the debt ceiling and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop him. There’s no way the GOP will override a veto. If... IF he proposes any cuts they’ll be unicorn cuts, figments of myth and imagination.
How stupid can the Stupid Party get? This is so darn frustrating.
We don’t want a debt ceiling increase! NO!
Latest Title: To require that the Government give priority to payment of all obligations on the debt held by the public, payment of Social Security benefits, and military funding in the event that the debt limit is reached.
Sponsor: Rep Stutzman, Marlin A. [IN-3] (introduced 2/15/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills:H.R.568, S.259
Latest Major Action: 2/15/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
Latest Title: To require that the Government give priority to payment of all obligations on the debt held by the public and payment of Social Security benefits in the event that the debt limit is reached.
Sponsor: Rep Heller, Dean [NV-2] (introduced 2/9/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills:H.R.421, H.R.728, S.163, S.259
Latest Major Action: 2/9/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
And this one is in committee in both House and Senate
Latest Title: Full Faith and Credit Act
Sponsor: Rep McClintock, Tom [CA-4] (introduced 1/25/2011) Cosponsors (101)
Related Bills:H.R.568, S.163, S.259
Latest Major Action: 1/25/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
Full Faith and Credit Act - Requires the authority of the Department of the Treasury to pay the principal and interest on debt held by the public to take priority over all other obligations incurred by the government in the event the federal debt reaches the statutory limit.
But nothing is on the floor.
Joe Six-pack doesn’t remember what he had for dinner last night,let alone budget issues or the national debt.
I can tell you one thing Obama will do with his new fat check book...a COLA increase for all seniors in 2013 (for their vote).
Far worse than just a RINO is old Grover! Grover Norquist......married to a muslim. Founder of the islamic institute. He is also a policy maker, agenda setter, fund raiser, lobbyist and overall heavy hitter for C.A.I.R. That’s right....C.A.I.R. The American based muslim terrorist front group dedicated to our nation’s destruction. That is Grover Norquist!
More in depth discussions lead me to the following:
Obama can only raise the debt ceiling to the extent it is matched by spending cuts.
The House will ensure Defense doesn’t bear an unreasonable portion of the cuts.
This is "cant" from the bought and paid for "Conservative-flavored" Washington lobbyists, going all wobbly on us. Their pissing their pants, tired of answering all those phone calls from all those industry reps in DC, worried about their checks getting interrupted.
The Debt Ceiling IS Congress' baby. Not the Usurper's. They CAN'T cede their authority to Caligula.
His plan is the prelude to the “Grand Bargain”. It will be worse than you can imagine.
This is just more proof that this country really only has one political party.
Get real Mitch. The guy just spent 2.5 years getting all of this spending legislation passed. He is not going to turn around and give it back. Barry is not going to cut spending. Not gonna happen.