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Gun ‘preppers’ go mainstream as more people realize no one is immune to disaster
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 11 July, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 07/12/2011 5:51:59 PM PDT by marktwain

The Economic Collapse blog reports that Robert Kiyosaki is warning of an impending economic collapse—and advises on preparations that include buying guns.

By way of credentials, Kiyosaki is the author of the successful “Rich Dad Poor Dad” books, reportedly having sold over 26 million copies, and runs the Rich Dad financial education website. He co-authored “Why We Want You to be Rich” with Donald Trump.

The Economic Collapse lists 11 “sound bites” from a Kiyosaki video (see sidebar media player) that include predictions of collapse where supermarket food supplies are reduced to less than three days—presumably with no restocking in sight. Of special relevance to readers of this column:

#5"buy a gun"

#8"so come to my house and I'm armed and dangerous and I'll welcome you"

#9"we have food, we have water, we have guns, gold and silver, and cash"

The significance here is not that a probability exists for terrible societal consequences from destructive financial policies—it’s that it is now being normalized by prominent voices, and more Americans are losing confidence in the system. Which means the message will reach beyond sites like The Economic Collapse, or one of my favorite regular stops, Western Rifle Shooters Association, where they routinely call our attention to other voices like The Market Ticker, which provides detailed analysis and explanations to back up the dire commentary.

The Los Angeles riots and Hurricane Katrina, where territory was ceded by civil authority for days, were mere localized disconnects where the majority of Americans could watch things unfold on TV and make conversation about how bad things looked for "those" poor people. When these Americans no longer have TV because they have no electricity—and all that that implies—we will indeed be living in interesting times.

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A cultural indicator that more people are becoming aware that the police cannot protect them.
1 posted on 07/12/2011 5:52:08 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
A cultural indicator that more people are becoming aware that the police cannot protect them.

Could it also be that more people are coming to the stark realization that in time of crisis the police might be the enemy?

Law & Disorder: New Orleans Police, Post-Katrina

2 posted on 07/12/2011 5:56:06 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: marktwain

Let’s keep in mind, though, that Kiyosaki is an idiot and has no economic bona fides whatsoever. Just because he says an end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it crash is coming is NOT a reason, in and of itself, to head for the bomb shelters. Kiyosaki is about as credible a fortune teller as is Jim Cramer.

That said, wise people should be prepared—and that includes being armed.


3 posted on 07/12/2011 5:58:12 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops. -- Mortimer Brewster)
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To: marktwain
rifles
4 posted on 07/12/2011 5:58:56 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: marktwain
Police declare ‘State Of Emergency’ In Quartzsite AZ over negative publicity...
5 posted on 07/12/2011 5:59:46 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: dynachrome

You have excellent taste in surplus rifles.


6 posted on 07/12/2011 6:02:41 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

I blush


7 posted on 07/12/2011 6:03:30 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

Those Mosin’s are wicked rifles, that’s for sure. I have a feeling they’ll be needed soon. And I really wish I’d bought half a dozen of those Ishapore Enfields back when they were all over the place for $110.00 a copy.


8 posted on 07/12/2011 6:06:42 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Mosins and Mausers. Can’t go wrong. Even if you do have to use a mallet to work the bolt on a Mosin once in awhile!


9 posted on 07/12/2011 6:11:11 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Lurker

And of course the M95 Steyr. brutal on the shoulder.


10 posted on 07/12/2011 6:12:08 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
And of course the M95 Steyr. brutal on the shoulder.

If you ever really need it, that'll be the least of your concerns...

11 posted on 07/12/2011 6:17:56 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: dynachrome
Even if you do have to use a mallet to work the bolt on a Mosin once in awhile!

There's a fix for that. Google up "Mosin sticky bolt syndrome" and there's a couple of YouTubes which cover it.

I don't own any Mausers, they're a little steep for the Lurker arsenal right now. Besides I want to stay standard on as many calibers as I can. So it'll be the Mosin's and tins of ammo for the forseeable future I think.

But like I said, had I bought half a dozen of those Ishapores when I had the chance.....

12 posted on 07/12/2011 6:18:33 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: dynachrome

You are now aware the Mosin-Nagant has no provision to vent or deflect escaping gas.


13 posted on 07/12/2011 6:19:46 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"in time of crisis the police might be the enemy"

Of course. Why would they change?


14 posted on 07/12/2011 6:24:00 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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15 posted on 07/12/2011 6:26:34 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Lurker

From Michael Z. Williamson, SF author and editor at large at survivalblog.com (no link as the blog {arthurshall.com} he originally posted this on had racist posts that were not pulled. He could not allow his name to be sullied)

“#9 of 10 Manliest guns
#9: Mosin-Nagant M44
Speaking of guns without safeties, here’s the Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine from Russia.
The Mosin was used by the Russians against the Finns, the Finns against the Russians,
the Estonians against the Russians, the Russians against the Russians, and the
Russians against the Germans. It does, in fact, have a safety, but it’s quite hard to
engage. But this is not a complaint one would ever voice in the Red Army. Your
officer would reply, “Safety? Safety? Is gun! Meant to kill! No warrior should know
he has safety on gun, because he should be killing enemies of homeland! Safety make
loud click to aid enemy in locating warriors! No safety!” while pounding his fist on
the table.
And the Mosin can kill enemies of homeland. The muzzle blast will vaporize green
growth within a few feet of the muzzle, and even if you miss, the enemy will be
reduced to shouting “WHAT?” to communicate. You’ll need a recoil pad or shooting
jacket. Ordinarily, this might be considered unmanly, but this rifle has a short
stock for using while wearing several layers of wool for a Russian winter. It is
acceptable to wear padding to fire a Mosin.
Of course, there are also M38, 91/30 and other variations of Mosin-Nagant and all are
cool. All, also (except the M38), come with a bayonet. Russian doctrine held that the
bayonet was mounted except while traveling in a vehicle, because the Russians
understood that an empty rifle could still be a pointy stick—a Viking spear. The
Russians loved to spear Turks. So, coincidentally, did the Vikings. This rifle sounds
better all the time, doesn’t it? The Finns used the Mosin as a sniper rifle during
the Winter War, and their greatest Sniper was Simo Häyhä, who had 500 confirmed kills
in 100 days. This is a man the Finns describe as “modest” and “self-effacing.” It’s a
good thing the Russians didn’t run into a Finn who was proud and arrogant. They’d
have been wiped out.
It fires a 7.62X54R (for “Rimmed”) cartridge, about as powerful as .30-06, and holds
the distinction of being in service from 1891 to the present, longer than any other
military cartridge. It is still used in Dragunovs, PKMs and other Russian weapons.
It’s cheap in quantity. So are the rifles, because they were built for (all
variations) over 70 years, by Russia, Finland, Poland, Romania, even the US. As I
write this, arsenal-new M44s are $55 to $200. At that price, you should have several,
so any guests you have during the Collapse can be outfitted as they receive
Enlightenment. Then they can rape, kill, sack and loot with the rest of the men who
secure a new Dark Ages to hasten the new renaissance. It will be a manly duty.”

ps. he emailed me one time that he had 13(!) Mosins


16 posted on 07/12/2011 6:27:36 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: omega4179

And the safety was a joke. By the time you muscle it open, you got problems with the nazis. Carry with bolt half cocked or fully ready. Of course the Finns did some Van-dammage to the Sovs with their fine variaton of the 91/30.


17 posted on 07/12/2011 6:33:04 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Oberon

If I can’t get to the range to shoot the M95, I just hit my shoulder with a hammer a couple of times, to re-create the experience! (actually, I use a recoil psd)


18 posted on 07/12/2011 6:35:02 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

Your front lawn could become a target rich environment. Might I suggest some semi-automatic weapons?


19 posted on 07/12/2011 6:36:14 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: dynachrome
Yugo M76 in 8mm
SVT40
Saiga12
Romanian PSL
MAK90
Golani Galil
CETME in G3 Dress
California Armory TIGR in 7.62x54R
NDM86 in .308W

Well, ya'll get the idea...

20 posted on 07/12/2011 6:39:42 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Dick Bachert

Well, I wanted a SVT-40, but $800 was a tad rich. I am mulling a $600 M-1 Garand (older import from Korea. H&R marked) If it is still there next time....


21 posted on 07/12/2011 6:40:25 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: El Laton Caliente

Nice! I want a Yugo M-76, too, but I would have to sell the cat.


22 posted on 07/12/2011 6:42:02 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Lurker
And I really wish I’d bought half a dozen of those Ishapore Enfields back when they were all over the place for $110.00 a copy.

Yep. Veneer's getting pretty thin, isn't it?

23 posted on 07/12/2011 6:43:15 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: dynachrome

The Ruger Mini-14 is cheaper, less expensive to feed and, at those ranges, more than adequate.


24 posted on 07/12/2011 6:45:26 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: El Laton Caliente
Well, since we're all showing off our stuff...


Good to go.
25 posted on 07/12/2011 6:46:59 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Dick Bachert

I like the mini-14 in the wood stock. I figure if anything goes really wrong, one or two hundred yards is going to be the most range you will need for accuracy and maybe “minute of man” there aftrer.


26 posted on 07/12/2011 6:49:00 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

aftrer = after

gotta use spelchek sometimes i guess.


27 posted on 07/12/2011 6:49:55 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Billionaire Jim Rogers calls for Obama's resignation over economy (Predicts violence & rioting)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2740896/posts

Listen beyond the misleading talk in the first couple of minutes to hear what would shock most others.

Jim Rogers Interview on Dollar, Commodities From June 10
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/70751156/
[Bloomberg title and link only. Do not post any content from Bloomberg to FR.]


28 posted on 07/12/2011 6:50:50 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: RandallFlagg

.45 hollow points for the zombies.


29 posted on 07/12/2011 6:51:05 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Noumenon
Veneer's getting pretty thin, isn't it?

Yea, it sure is my friend. Truth be told unless something incredible drops out of the sky into my safe I'm not buying many more weapons. All of the available funds are going into ammo and components.

That and bulk food staples, medical supplies, storable fuels, etc.

There's a hell of a storm coming our way I'm afraid.

30 posted on 07/12/2011 6:56:21 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: dynachrome
I am mulling a $600 M-1 Garand (older import from Korea. H&R marked) If it is still there next time....

The Civilian Marksmanship Program has them for under $500.

31 posted on 07/12/2011 6:56:33 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: El Laton Caliente

You are a man of discernment and taste. Nice un-welcoming kit.


32 posted on 07/12/2011 6:57:34 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yeah, but I like to fondle the rifle before I buy!

;)


33 posted on 07/12/2011 6:58:32 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Lurker

Yeah, I’m good for gear. Got enough for friends in need as well - I call it a good investment when that time comes. For me, too, it’s down to supplies and staples now.

I have a feeling that when the other shoe drops, it’ll be a big one.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 7:00:48 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Lurker
There's a hell of a storm coming our way I'm afraid.

No matter what anyone does, there's a hell of a storm coming our way.

Guaranteed.

The only thing that's uncertain is what the nature of the storm will be.

35 posted on 07/12/2011 7:01:07 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dynachrome

Well, then get thee to the store, fondle away, and then if someone else shows up with a fat wallet before you do, you’ve got a backup source. ;-)


36 posted on 07/12/2011 7:06:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lurker

“Mosin sticky bolt syndrome”

ps. http://www.surplusrifle.com will meet or exceed your needs for info on bolt action milsurps. Ignore the butthead, dynachrome, who hangs out there on the forums.

;)


37 posted on 07/12/2011 7:10:20 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Noumenon

I wish we could be somewhere else when it hits the ground, but it doesn’t look like that’s to be. Oh well, we’ve got a good load of supplies laid in so far and we’re squirreling more away every week.

When the crapstorm starts we’ll be as ready as we can be. Our little neighborhood is going to be one giant spiny hedgehog with a real bad attitude for anyone with ill intent.

I hope it never comes to that, I really do. But the signs are there for anyone with eyes to see.

Oh well, might as well get it over with I guess.


38 posted on 07/12/2011 7:10:47 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Lurker

From where we sit, we may well be able to see it coming before it hits. Might not be so bad in our neighborhood at first, but trouble can come from anywhere and at any time. That’s a fact. At least we’re somewhat out of the way and not too close to urban areas, but with enough like-minded neighbors to “meet ‘n greet” any prospective and unwanted visitors.

Biggest issue I might face is an abrupt onset while I’m in Spokane. But that’s what the 72 hour kit is for. I’ll post an update with photos here in the next little while.


39 posted on 07/12/2011 7:10:54 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: RandallFlagg

For Zombies and such...

40 posted on 07/12/2011 7:16:22 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Noumenon

Cool. I’d like to see it.


41 posted on 07/12/2011 7:20:21 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: marktwain

Can you buy a new gun without registering it with the gun-grabbers?


42 posted on 07/12/2011 7:22:17 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: dynachrome

Try a PSL. Nearly the range, ammo is cheaper and the rifle can be had for around $700 with scope. I like harder hitting rifles with more range, but I have two Goloni Galils for .223.

I’m converting some MG13 mags for the Yugo M76 so I can have some 25 rounders for it.


43 posted on 07/12/2011 7:22:29 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Noumenon

Thank you. Those are some favorites...


44 posted on 07/12/2011 7:24:02 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: El Laton Caliente

“ammo is cheaper”

True that, though my local range has just started banning steel core ammo., which is the cheap stuff. Still yugo non -mag out there.


45 posted on 07/12/2011 7:27:08 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: UnwashedPeasant

What state are you in?
Buy private, no papers, legal in most states.


46 posted on 07/12/2011 7:38:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2
"Buy private, no papers, legal in most states."

Thanks. Is it typical for private sellers to sell new guns? Where do you find them? At gun shows?

47 posted on 07/12/2011 7:53:33 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: marktwain

Kiyosaki is a moron and financial illiterate whose only skill/talent is self-promotion. Efforts to find any wealth he might have in excess of what he’s earned selling books have been fruitless.


48 posted on 07/12/2011 7:53:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ctdonath2; UnwashedPeasant

Antique weapons (pre-1898) are also exempt from paperwork.
Many fine bolt action rifles and revolvers in that category.


49 posted on 07/12/2011 8:00:42 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: UnwashedPeasant

ps. many sellers require a drivers lisence to make sure you are of age and for any problems, like felonies, etc.


50 posted on 07/12/2011 8:03:29 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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